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Nice work Spawnman! If you could though, it would be nice to return in the aftermth to a few topics you mention in the intro. A few questions still remain, and as i am completely ignorant on the matter, maybe you can expand a bit.
The main bulk is looking good; i like your writing style, its very clear and to the point! -- The Minister of War 07:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. Spawn Man 11:49, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
This article was nominated for Wikipedia:Version 0.5 I failed this article because it has no references, well-written though, maybe try to combine the 3 Aisne battles together. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 06:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the following text from the article because it is suspected to be copy & pasted & it is at least badly written. Placing it here for anyone to decided what to do with it. Cheers, Spawn Man 06:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
British Forces were involved in the 3rd Battle of the Aisne/ Chemin des Dames on the 27th May to 6th June 1918:(Check out the link for more information: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44335&hl= )
Order of Battle:
British IX Corps Sir Alexander Hamilton Gordon
8th Division: Major-General W C G Heneker
23rd Brigade: Brigadier-General W St G Grogan VC
2nd Devonshire 2nd West Yorkshire 2nd Middlesex
24th Brigade: Brigadier-General- General R Haig (wounded)
1st Worcestershire 1st Sherwood Foresters 2nd Northamptonshire
25th Brigade: Brigadier-General R H Husey (Killed In Action)
2nd East Lancashire 2nd Royal Berkshire 2nd Rifle Brigade
R F A Brigades:
XXXIII XLV
Field Coys. R E:
2 15 490
Pioneers:
22nd Durham
21st Division: Major-General D G M Campbell
62nd Brigade: Brigadier-General G H Gater
12/13th Northumberland Fusiliers 1st Lincolnshire 2nd Lincolnshire
64th Brigade: Brigadier-General H R Headlam
9th KOYLI 15th Durham
110th Brigade: Brigadier-General H R Cumming
6th Leicestershire 7th Leicestershire 8th Leicestershire
R F A Brigades:
XCIV XCV
Field Coys. R E:
97 98 126
Pioneers:
14th Northumberland Fusiliers
25th Division: Major-General Sir E G T Bainbridge
7th Brigade: Brigadier-General C J Griffin
10th Cheshire 4th South Staffordshire 1st Wiltshire
74th Brigade: Brigadier-General H M Craigie Halkett
11th Lancashire Fusiliers 3rd Worcestershire 9th Loyal North Lancashire
75th Brigade: Brigadier-General A A Kennedy
11th Cheshire 8th Border Regiment 2nd South Lancashire
R F A Brigades:
110 112
Field Coys. R E:
105 106 130
Pioneers:
6th South Wales Borderers
50th Division: Major-General H C Jackson
149th Brigade: Brigadier-General E P A Riddell (wounded)
4th Northumberland Fusilers 5th Northumberland Fusilers 6th Northumberland Fusilers
150th Brigade: Brigadier-General H C Rees (Prisoner of War)
4th East Yorkshire 4th Yorkshire 5th Yorkshire
151st Brigade: Brigadier-General C T Martin (Killed in Action)
5th Durham 6th Durham 8th Durham
R F A Brigades:
250th 251st
Field Coys. R E
7 446 447
Pioneers:
7th Durham
A Russian brigage also fought there; 54 Russians are buried in the Memorial French Cemetery [1].
The first paragraph contains this passage: "American soldiers of the 92nd Infantry Division and the 93rd Infantry Division were the first Americans to fight in France, albeit detached from the AEF and under French command.[citation needed]a[›] The 92nd & 93rd would continue to fight under French command for the duration of the war." Both sentences are incorrect and should be deleted. Further, it appears neither unit took part in the subject Battle.
The 92d Divisions began sailing on 7 June 1918 and closed at ports in France on 12 July 1918. Not only does this put their arrival after the subject Battle, but their arrival post-dates initial combat by several other US divisions. The 92d first served in a quiet sector in the Voges where it received training under French command (as did most US divisions). During the initial stages of the Meuse-Argonne Offensive, the division (less one regiment fighting under the French) served in the US I Corps as reserve. In Octotber it fought as part of the US VI Corps, which was under the US First Army. Upon establishment of the US Second Army, on 12 Octber 1918, the US VI Corps and the 92d Division were placed under that command. They served under the US Second Army for the remainder of the war. Source: http://www.history.army.mil/topics/afam/92div.htm#4
The 93d "Division" was merely a provisional grouping of regiments for movement to France. It was never intended to be an operational division nor did it serve as such (as far as WWI went). It never had a permanent division headquarters or divisional troops (artillery, engineers, signal, medical units, etc.) established or assigned. Upon arrival in theater, the provisional division headquarters was disestablished, and the regiments were intended to serve as lines-of-communications troops (12 white divisions were skeletonized or converted to depot/lines of communications troops in this manner during the war). Contemporary US Army documents from WWI do not even list a 93d division as being part of the division-level organizations in-theater in WWI. [Source: http://www.gwpda.org/docs/statistics/diagrams/d46.gif] It's individual regiments did arrive in theater early enough to - theoretically - serve in the Third Battle of the Aisne, but they did not take part in that battle. The four regiments either arrived at the front after the Third Battle of the Aisne, were stationed near the Swiss border at the time, and/or occupied static sectors which took no part in the Battle. The 369th Regiment was the only one in the line anywhere near the Thrid Battle of the Aisne, but it was in the quiet Afrique Sector, occupying a section 30 miles east of the area of the Battle.
The first American troops to fight in France (about 2500) did so during the Battle of Cambia (Nov-Dec 1917), before any of these two black units arrived in theater. 98.255.89.22 ( talk) 22:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)