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Did you know... that The Wiccan Web recommends drawing pentagrams on your computer screen in oil?
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... that The Wiccan Web lists multiple deities of ritual cybersex? Source: Telesco, Patricia; Knight, Sirona (2001). "Computer Wizardry". The Wiccan Web. New York, New York: Citadel Press. pp. 100–110.
ISBN0-8065-2197-X.
ALT1: ... that The Wiccan Web recommends drawing pentagrams on your computer screen in oil? Source: Thorpe, David (13 March 2012).
"The Wiccan Web". Something Awful. Retrieved 22 October 2023. ...he's an actual media critic/journalist, to be clear
Claiming this. Obviously new enough, well over the length requirement. The sourcing is generally good although I'm not sure where in the SA review that the reviewer says the spells are potentially harmful - he's mostly clowning about the inconsistency in the herbs. I like the concept of the first hook but I feel like the phrasing doesn't quite do the silliness justice. What about a version that actually names some of the recommended cybersex deities? I feel like it's pretty hooky that it suggests calling upon the warrior-queen
Medb for "sensual surfing" for example. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)19:50, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I think the implication that he's saying rubbing oil on your computer will damage it is pretty clear, but I've trimmed just in case. Some hooks on the ALT0 line:
ALT0a: ... that The Wiccan Web associates multiple deities with ritual cybersex, including the Celtic warrior queen
Medb?
ALT0b: ... that The Wiccan Web suggests calling upon the Celtic warrior queen
Medb for ritual cybersex?
Okay, I'm approving; all of the potential hooks are hooky and properly cited, and there are no other DYK-prohibitive issues with the article. My preference is ALT0a/ALT0b or ALT1, with ALT2 farther behind. IMO nom preference for hook should be taken into account where possible so barring any specific reason not to run ALT1, it should be ALT1. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)20:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)reply
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Para 1: by Patricia Telesco and Sirona Knight published by Citadel Press, an imprint of Kensington Publishing. - It is somewhat strange to read "book by ... published by..." in such close proximity. I feel this is because this might be missing a word, e.g. "book written by Patricia Telesco and Sirona Knight and published by Citadel Press, an imprint of Kensington Publishing." (but then we have the construction "Patricia Telesco and Sirona Knight and published by", which is an issue in itself).
I really don't have any other substantive comments. It's short but also well-written and summarizes the article quite well.
Synopsis:
Para 2: This section of the book received criticism; a Wiccan reviewer felt the spells sounded "hokey" and compared their ritual chants to "high-school cheers", while a secular reviewer felt elements of some rituals, such as rubbing tinctures on a computer screen, were bizarre. - This sounds like something that belongs in the reception section, but I can see why this is mentioned here.
Para 3: The next section of The Wiccan Web - By the way, are sections the same as chapters, or does each section consist of multiple chapters? Are these chapters being described in the order in which they appear in the book (e.g. in the book, does the content in paragraph 2 come before paragraph 3)?
This should really have been rendered as "chapters" -- the book doesn't have subsectioning that way -- so I've swapped it out. It's described chronologically, though.
Vaticidalprophet15:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Publication and reception:
I noticed that Knight is red-linked in the lead, but not in paragraph 1 of this section.
I don't generally duplicate redlinks -- they're a heads-up about a potentially missing article, but not a navigational aid, so duplinking doesn't aid navigation. If an article gets written, I'll relink.
Vaticidalprophet15:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Para 1: The book was agented by Lisa Hagan - I must admit that I've never seen the word "agent" used as a verb in this way, but I'll chalk this up to ENGVAR.
Is there any other information on the publication process itself (e.g. when they started writing the book, why they decided to write it. etc.), or anything else such as sales info?
Book sales numbers tend to be very sad, especially for small presses like this, so not widely reported. I'll check quickly if there's anything on why it was written, though may not be.
Vaticidalprophet15:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm not getting a ton here, unfortunately. The book doesn't have a relevant preface or anything. I poked around to figure out if Telesco did any relevant interviews, but if so they're not accessible -- the early 2000s is a deadzone for research, because it's late enough that you feel like things "should" be digitized but early enough they often aren't. As you might expect, newspapers.com and other mainstream sources are unhelpful. What's in the article seems to be as much as exists.
Vaticidalprophet20:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)reply
That is a shame, but I can understand why there's little coverage of this book. I will probably be able to finish up the review by tomorrow. –
Epicgenius (
talk)
21:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I've been swamped with work over the last 2 days. Will spot-check the sources and check image/copyright issues within the next 24 hours. –
Epicgenius (
talk)
03:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Due to the low number of references, I will spot-check all online references from
this version.
1 (Fisher, Barbara (2002). "Book Reviews: The Wiccan Web: Surfing the Magic On The Internet". newWitch.) - Everything verified. The part a secular reviewer felt elements of some rituals, such as rubbing tinctures on a computer screen, were bizarre. is supported by ref 2, though, while ref 1 only supports a Wiccan reviewer felt the spells sounded "hokey" and compared their ritual chants to "high-school cheers". So this checks out.
2 (Thorpe, David (13 March 2012). "The Wiccan Web". Something Awful.) - Verified, with the caveat above.
7 ("About Our Imprints & Publishing Partners". Kensington Publishing. 2023.) - Verifies the text Citadel Press, an imprint of Kensington Publishing but not much else. I'm assuming good faith that the other sources support the rest of the sentence.
9 (Hagan, Lisa (2023). "About Us". Lisa Hagan.) - I don't see where Paraview Literary Agency, or anything else in the sentence, is mentioned. What is this supposed to verify?
Hagan's affiliation with Paraview is reported in the book itself, cite 8 (We would also like to thank Sirona’s agent, Lisa Hagan at Paraview, for her support, integrity, and friendship). The additional ref is supporting what sort of books she focuses on (Lisa has seen that there is an audience and a demand for the books that she loves – but is not limited to – genres such as alternative health, paranormal research and extraordinary memoirs).
Vaticidalprophet18:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)reply
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