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The recent move here from just "Beverly Hills Hotel" is correct. The Hotel has always been very particular about the fact that it's name begins with "The". Aside from status in the local community, this is because it was originally called The Hotel at Beverly Hills, your stopping point between Los Angeles and the sea according to ads it placed in 1915, when it was surrounded by bean fields.
EmilEikS (
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03:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC)reply
The new move today is incorrect and controversial, as having disregarded this section on the talk page. Please reverse it, and request and discuss here before moving, or we'll be moving this article back and forth every other month forever. Let's get consensus on this!
SergeWoodzing (
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17:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)reply
Proposed rename
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Support - that is the only correct name of the hotel (see article and photos) and this article was so named, which was well motivated above on the talk page, until just recently, when it was moved without discussion.
SergeWoodzing (
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19:40, 16 September 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose:
WP:DEFINITE says to avoid the definite article "unless they are part of a proper name" (
The New York Times being a prime example). However, nowhere in the article are any references that support the assertion that it's "the only correct name of the hotel". (If some were provided, I might be swayed.) Also, the title of the hotel's official website omits the "The", which implies ambivalence.
Kevin Forsyth (
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When wishing to vote here, why not look
above at the entry which clearly explains that this is "part of a proper name" just like The New York Times;
at the photos of the hotel's signs in the article and by following the link to Commons;
at the logo on the website (not just the link here) and text there such as "Special features include the palm-lined pool and cabanas, The Beverly Hills Hotel Spa..." and "The 21 bungalows at The Beverly Hills Hotel are like..." and "From the moment you enter your room at The Beverly Hills Hotel, you will..." and "On the doorstep to some of the world's best shopping, The Beverly Hills Hotel is close to...";
I believe there are strictly technical reasons for that - anyone know more than me about website addresses? - and that the content of their website clearly shows the name of the hotel. And as long as people contribute with "support" or "oppose" I will continue to consider this a "vote", if I may be permitted to do so even by Mr. Forsyth, regardless of what may be trendy lingo here.
SergeWoodzing (
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13:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)reply
a lesson might be taken from the entire westin chain of hotels that ostentatiously use "the" in their titles...all of which are excluded by wikipedia style guidelines. --
emerson716:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)reply
Not a very good lesson, I think, the Westin ("westin"?) chain. This is one of the world's most famous hotels, built in 1912, and it's logotype, including the "The", has been notable for many decades. Locals just call it "The Hotel".
SergeWoodzing (
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16:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)reply
Shouldn't all the big signs with "The" and The Hotel's own logo matter at all here? Even be decisive re: this being a "proper name" according to
WP:DEFINITE?
Avoid definite and indefinite articles: Do not place definite or indefinite articles (the, a and an) at the beginning of titles unless they are part of a proper name. I don't understand why this has not been moved back yet.
SergeWoodzing (
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09:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)reply
The hotel's own signs, logotype and consistent website text are much more relevant than that Google search. We should show how ignorant we are by naming an establishment here according to what many people incorrectly call it, or according to what it's name actually is?
SergeWoodzing (
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02:16, 25 September 2010 (UTC)reply
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The issue has been seriously clouded now by new vague text making it impossible for most readers to understand why LGBT advocates and some celebrities have protested at all. The pros and cons (for Beverly Hills) of Sharia Law are not common knowledge. This needs to be made clearer again. If nobody else fixes that, I will be taking a rather severe ax to the section so that it at least makes sense. --
SergeWoodzing (
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18:22, 12 July 2014 (UTC)reply
"The Beverly Hills Hotel was established in May 1912, before there was even a city called Beverly Hills" - I'd rephrase the last part to something like The Beverly Hills Hotel was established in May 1912, before the establishment of Beverley Hills or before the construction of Beverley Hills? Or either something similar, or feel free to ignore
"In 1941, Hernando Courtright, the vice president of the Bank of America, purchased the hotel with friends including Irene Dunne, Loretta Young and Harry Warner" - did his friends also purchase/own stakes themselves?
DoneThey made investments and together with Courtright, were the hotel's owners at the time. Clarified the text and added ref about it.
We hope (
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11:55, 4 August 2015 (UTC)reply
"Burton Green, an oil tycoon and real estate developer, President of the Rodeo Land and Water Company" - should President be capitalised here? I see uses of "vice president" that isn't capitalised
"billing it as "“halfway between the Los Angeles and the sea"" - doubles quotes here
Another well written and well researched article. Those were all of the prose issues I could find, but otherwise this is looking great. JAGUAR20:37, 3 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Thank you all for addressing those issues. This article was in great shape as it was, but since they're all clarified, this is good to go now. JAGUAR13:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Linking of the location "Hollywood"
In a lead sentence about the hotel being "closely associated with Hollywood film stars, rock stars and celebrities", an editor has linked the word "Hollywood" to the article
Cinema of the United States. First, the article "Cinema of the United States" isn't about Hollywood. Also, rock stars aren't associated with American cinema. As well, it's ambiguous whether this article is referring to film stars living in Hollywood (which is close to where this hotel is located), or is referring to film stars who made it big in "Hollywood". The editor left an edit summary stating that "Hollywood is a metronym for American cinema. the location Hollywood is not particularly of note to this sentence." I think this editor meant to use the word "metonym", and I would strongly suspect that metonyms are
words to watch. I would suggest instead the sentence be changed to "The Beverly Hills Hotel was frequented by celebrities and notable actors associated with the movie industry located in nearby
Hollywood."
Magnolia677 (
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11:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)reply
I bascially agree. And since "rock stars" usually were on the Hotel's Do Not Take List, it has never been known to host them. Producers, directors and other movie people as well as TV people should however be included. My suggestion would be "The Beverly Hills Hotel is known for having been frequented by notable people in movies and television, especially those associated with the industry synonymous with nearby
Hollywood." --
SergeWoodzing (
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17:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Image removed
1982 Front Desk staff, partly in uniform
This
edit request by an editor with a
conflict of interest was declined. A reviewer felt that this edit would not improve the article.
Please reinstate this valuable gallery image which was removed for no apparent reason. It is my objective opinion that rare historical staff photos indeed are relevant to articles about famous hotels, no matter what the names are of individuals in them. As free images, these are few and far between. This one was specifically OK'd
here. --
SergeWoodzing (
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08:14, 22 October 2017 (UTC)reply
I removed it among other other photas in other articles added by a person (SW writing above) with coi to the photo and a person in it. I can not see the importance of this photo here. It is a small part of the Staff. Nice private photo but not encyclopedic. I let to others to look and hope sw will do so too.
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The lead's "the hotel has 210 guest rooms and suites and 23 bungalows" is misleading. The bungalows can be rented whole or room by room, ergo there are hotel rooms separately available there too. We should have a total amount of units item. --
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00:31, 30 December 2021 (UTC)reply