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Another Believer, sources were provided in the AfD. Those could be incorporated and this article would no longer be entirely unsourced. If we go the draftify route six months from now it would stand a good chance of being deleted which didn't quite seem in the spirit of the draftify participation - including yours. Best,
Barkeep49 (
talk)
03:15, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Barkeep49, Hmm. I don't know if I've ever seen an AfD closed as kept when there are more votes to draftify and/or delete. Nor have I seen an article kept while being entirely unsourced. Seems strange to me, and I feel like moving into draft space at least puts the onus on someone (ideally the page creator) to commit to at least trying to expand the entry. Doesn't really seem like the community voted to keep this page, but I guess I won't fight your ruling. ---
Another Believer(
Talk)03:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I think Barkeep49 has it right. Draftifying is death row with the vast majority of articles never making it to article space, and de facto deleted. It’s counter to keeping in any form.The source issue feels like a red herring with RPDR articles, of course sources exist. The only issue is if editors are patient enough to allow regular editing to take place.
Gleeanon409 (
talk)
03:41, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Gleeanon409, Draftifying doesn't have to be death row if literally anyone works on the page enough to clearly demonstrate notability. I don't understand why we're giving this article an extended lifetime in main space when 1 community member voted to keep. ---
Another Believer(
Talk)03:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
This article should not have been kept - it should have been draftified with a view to reviewing a more complete and up to date version. @
Barkeep49: this is a poor decision. ≫
Lil-Unique1-{
Talk }-08:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It seems that a handful of sources use the asterisk in their reporting, but not all do. I can't remember how this was stylized on the actual episode. I would say we should go with the way the title appeared on TV. Armadillopteryx16:31, 21 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Armadillopteryx, I lean the opposite direction. Sources like
IMDb, IMO, suggest we should avoid the censored version of the title. Also, the screenshot you've referenced is the title card for the fictional series/challenge, but was this the actual title of the episode? ---
Another Believer(
Talk)18:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)reply
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edit conflict) @
Another Believer: The lead sentence of our article here says, "The B*tchelor", stylized with the "i" as an eggplant emoji, is the third episode of the third season of the American drag queen-focused reality competition television series RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars ..., so it seems that was the title of the episode. I wouldn't necessarily lean on IMDb since it isn't an RS, but maybe we could just do a sweep of all our sourcing and go with the majority? At a glance, of the five sources that list the episode name in the headline, three use the asterisk and two don't. I don't really feel strongly about this btw, just sharing my thoughts, so if you have a preference, you can just do that. Armadillopteryx18:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Armadillopteryx, I wouldn't assume the current intro wording is correct. No offense to
User:Gleeanon409 but it's possible they assumed the title based on the graphic and not sourcing. Would be curious for them to weigh in here as well. If sourcing is split, I'd prefer we use the uncensored version. A formal move request may be needed here. ---
Another Believer(
Talk)18:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Yeah, but the video includes the same graphic I posted above with the eggplant. I'll try and see if I can find something about it from WOW, maybe? Armadillopteryx18:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)reply
I’m not bothered either way, I inherited the censored version, and think there needs to be a good reason to censor. @
Another Believer: if you’re willing I’d love to have the eggplant title card added to the article.
Gleeanon409 (
talk)
20:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)reply
And,
User:Gleeanon409, for the record I did not mean to accuse you of any wrongdoing, I just pinged you knowing you were more familiar with sourcing. I know someone else started the page. Thanks for weighing in here and below. ---
Another Believer(
Talk)20:52, 21 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Requested move 21 August 2020
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The B*tchelor →
The Bitchelor – "The B*tchelor" is a censored version of "The Bitchelor". Sources use both. There are sources which use "The B*tchelor", but this is possibly because they prefer to use the censored version, or possibly because the graphic title card for the episode's challenge uses an eggplant emoji instead of the letter "i". However, I'm not seeing evidence "The B*tchelor" is the official title of the actual television episode. Additionally,
Wikipedia is not censored, therefore I propose moving to "The Bitchelor". --
Another Believer(
Talk)18:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.