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The declaration in the format section: “All the tasks are delivered in an envelope with a wax seal” is demonstrably wrong. They are often on a piece of paper, folded into three, and sealed, or (on at least one occasion) rolled into a sealed scroll, and sealed in a toy balloon. I’m not even sue that an envelope is used that often, or may have been used less after a certain point in the series.
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– The television show is now in its fifth series and has an American adaptation, which I believe now makes it the
primary topic over the comic book character. Pageviews (see
here) for every page listed on
Taskmaster (disambiguation) show that the television show is the page receiving most views – on most days, more than the other three pages combined. I imagine that this will increase dramatically as the fifth series continues (there was a noticeable spike about a week ago when the first episode was released online), and also that some views on the Marvel Comics character are unintentional (I have visited it a few times by accident looking for the television show). — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e)11:20, 13 September 2017 (UTC)reply
1204 is more than half of 2369, so the page views are accounting for more than every other topic combined, as the first requirement specifies. I'm not sure I understand your objection to the second requirement, which is: "it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term". What other topic are you associated with that term? Plenty of words and phrases in the English language will take you to a page about a specific topic that took its name from that term –
Friends and
Cheers spring to mind. We're not comparing it to word meanings (we're not wiktionary), only other topics associated with the term,; I don't understand why we would put neither article at
Taskmaster if one is clearly more commonly searched for than the other. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e)16:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Come on, you should know that 55% is not enough to be automatic.
and if we wind the view out to 12 months we can see plenty of days where the other colour lines not just together but even individually outdo the blue line. And besides THERE ARE TWO CRITERIA TO WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (caps for shouting :) because it appears normal text wasn't enough above).
In ictu oculi (
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18:09, 13 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose - I agree with the opposition with @
Fortdj33: and @
Necrothesp:. If the consensus is the merge to Taskmaster (comics), perhaps the Taskmaster link can be redirected to the disambiguation or something. --
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16:09, 21 September 2017 (UTC)reply
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List of contestants?
Why was the list of contestants (and consequently winners) removed? It's one of the main reasons I check this page. I agree that it might've been better in table form, but removing it completely is wrong.
Also the 'International Broadcasts' section is duplicated in the top section. — Preceding
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78.48.95.224 (
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20:02, 13 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Well personally, I still think that a table would be a better suited for this, as it would be faster and easier to read. Also what I meant with "duplicated" is that almost the entire 'International Broadcasts' section appears in the lead word for word just copied, making the section below kinda pointless. — Preceding
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89.15.29.154 (
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05:57, 21 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I'm still a bit conflicted about the article's layout and structure, but I think you're probably right. I've added the list, reformatted to (hopefully) look better, back. Feel free to summarise the International broadcasts paragraph in the lead more concisely, or add more detail to the section in the body. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e)13:31, 21 December 2017 (UTC)reply
(Just so you know, Wikipedia is
not a forum, and
talk pages are for discussion of the article not the topic itself.) Yes, Tim Key (series 1), Joe Wilkinson (series 3) and Mark Watson (series 5) have all taken part in the TV show. — Bilorv(c)(talk)01:42, 19 May 2018 (UTC)reply
2010 Fringe Festival
Mike Wozniak won the original internet version in 2009 but who won the 2010 Fringe festival version? Strangely enough it revealed who won the second fringe festival version.
Mobile mundo (
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22:13, 18 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Yesterday, I changed the layout of the Contestants section to
this and
15schaa has reverted me, explaining that "When talking about the contestants, they are typically listed in alphabetical order (how they sit). This system provides more information." Using bullet points and numbering seems very confusing and redundant to me – we already note in the section that "The guests always sit in alphabetical order by first name" – and it's not easy to see the order they came in at a glance when this is permuted into alphabetical order.
Readers understand already what alphabetical order is and could easily place the contestants in this order, so it seems to me like we should instead list them by the position they finished in, and do away with the alphabetising. — Bilorv(c)(talk)23:04, 6 July 2018 (UTC)reply
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I disagree. The nine tables on the episode list page would be overwhelmingly disproportionate on the main Taskmaster page. The current situation is standard, as evidenced by the articles for any other show you can think of with at least seven series. — Bilorv(c)(talk)12:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry but it's just too long. You're also comparing a three series show to one with seven series, plus specials, and at least two more series planned. — Bilorv(c)(talk)13:43, 3 November 2018 (UTC)reply
It was the closest show I could think of at the time. I used the tool suggested in the page above by
Bignole and it said there was only 11 kb of "readable prose" which is below the splitting threshold.
Matt14451 (
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13:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Sure, but you need to measure the readable prose of the page before the split, and the episode list is almost entirely tables, so this doesn't make sense to do. We also need to abide by policies like
due weight, rather than giving a disproportionately large part of the article to details of every episode's transmission. Note also that
WP:SIZESPLIT says that the readable prose recommendations "apply less strongly to list articles". — Bilorv(c)(talk)16:30, 3 November 2018 (UTC)reply
What happened to this page? There was a list of scores per episode a few weeks ago which was much more useful than in it's current form! — Preceding
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51.7.60.33 (
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09:44, 4 November 2018 (UTC)reply
I was pinged a couple of times, so I figured I'd come take a look. The argue of "it's too long" is clearly not accurate if the readable prose is that low for the main article. Unless you're trying to say that it takes too long to "scroll"? That doesn't seem right, as we have lots of "long" articles when it comes to how long it takes to scroll. Given that we're not talking plots or any other readable prose for these tables, I don't see why they wouldn't exist on the main parent page. per WP:SPLIT, which is pretty clear about when to split pages. I mean, 11kb of readable prose is reeeeeaaaallly low to split a page. The age of us just splitting pages because other pages have done it in the past has come and gone. There's no reason to send a reader to another page just to get a bunch of dates and host names that they can get here. There's nothing else going on with the LoE page that would require separation.
BIGNOLE (Contact me)13:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)reply
I don't follow. I'm saying that the readable prose is not an accurate measure of the density of information in the case of a set of tables (in which 0 bytes of readable prose are counted). Who mentioned scrolling? If this page is to be merged then it requires a broader consensus from
WP:TV because there are lots of similar series articles which have set precedent for separate LoE pages. — Bilorv(c)(talk)14:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Per
WP:MOSTV#Multiple pages: "For very lengthy series, generally 80+ episodes, it may be necessary to break the episode list into individual season or story arc lists." --- You're not even at 80 episodes, and even then you don't have anything beyond the most basic of information. There isn't a reason to have a separate page (which doesn't meet WP:SIZE or WP:MOSTV description of when to split) for basically a list of hosts and when they appeared. I see no reason why those tables couldn't exist on this page. If you're worried about "congestion", then make them collapsible. That said, there is barely any information on this page to begin with, so....
BIGNOLE (Contact me)16:24, 5 November 2018 (UTC)reply
The wording is confusing but the next line is "these lists are often the first stepping stone for season articles", making it clear that the first part which you quote refers to "list of ... episodes" articles.
Matt14451 (
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21:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)reply
No, it's the next sentence which is confusing. "These" refers to LoE episodes based on context. But "episode list" unambiguously refers to LoE episodes. It's talking about splitting up LoE pages, not splitting series pages. — Bilorv(c)(talk)21:45, 5 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Here's the basic point, the Taskmaster page does NOT contain enough information to warrant splitting. Period. That's not even arguable, because you can see that even without hitting the "page size" button. We have a guide on when to split pages, we've pointed to it multiple times. Right now, your argument is what, "other pages are doing it"? Yes, we know. We also decided we wouldn't rush across Wikipedia to get them all in line immediately when we talked about getting this issue under control (to which there was a broad consensus announced as we've made changes to the MOS...I'm sorry if you didn't participate at the time...lack of participation does not mean lack of consensus).
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Adding task lists to episode tables
Would it be appropriate to add a list of the tasks as a 'synopses' of each episode, or would this be too trivial? Reality series like
The Apprentice have summaries in the same format as scripted series, and I think a full list of tasks would better portray the tone of the series and variety of tasks (which can be very different to one another) than the few referenced in the Format section.
LostTL (
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00:16, 6 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Contestants
Can I suggest a table with rows denoting the seat they where sat on on set or by place on leader board. Columns obviously by series and each contestant box with their names and points. This shortens the article and list. If there are enough people who agree I shall create said table I am suggesting.
Chocolateediter (
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23:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Since Series 11 is announced as coming soon, while the
press release just mentions that Taskmaster is ready for CoC II, shouldn't Series 11 be listed before CoC II? It is also the order they are mentioned in the pr. --
Moedk (
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08:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC)reply
It's a good question, but I think it's all speculative at the moment. The current order makes sense to me, as CoC II relates to series 6-10 but not to series 11. If series 11 airs before the specials then we might have to have a bigger discussion. —
Bilorv (talk)
11:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Now that this broadcast order is confirmed, perhaps said bigger discussion is upon us. Now that Taskmaster "continuity" is no longer a straight shot of series with a Champion of Champions special falling immediately after a fifth series and has branched into non-CoC-eligible specials as well, is there a more appropriate way of listing/grouping series? I see two relatively logical methods: one would be to group into "Series", "Champion of Champions Specials", and "Other Specials" (presumably titled "Taskmaster's New Year Treat" until another was announced); the second would be by "era" (1-5 & CoC I, 6-10 & CoC II, 11-15 & the presumable CoC III) and then specials (with the same parenthetical as the first option). I prefer the second method slightly to the first but am uncertain of the best way to phrase it as there is no official terminology I'm aware of for each set. I do, however, believe that either one would be more informative about the structure of the competition if incorporated into most currently-chronological areas of the article. Also, while technically unrelated to this page, I feel compelled to note that similar discussions will probably have to be had over at the Taskmaster Wiki on this same topic and whether/how to follow any structural changes (or lack thereof) made here.
Flanl33 (
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10:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I'd like us to just keep one table with broadcast order—what annoys me is really that they didn't air CoC II before series 11 (though this could be pandemic constraints, who knows?), not our presentation of that fact. However, separating the specials out is not a bad idea and would make sense. On a separate note, the episodes are probably suitable for a split to
List of Taskmaster episodes now or soon, as it's only going to get longer (I believe the show is now renewed up to series 15). —
Bilorv (talk)
14:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Navbox for the series?
I want to make a navbox for the series, but I am concerned that others might take issue with it since it would just be a navbox mostly filled with various people who had been on the show. –
WPA (
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10:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Bolded contestants are series winners. Bolded and italicised contestants are Champion of Champions winners.
Interesting idea and well worth suggesting. I would fear that for most contestants, their appearance on the show is not "career-defining" in the way we might usually expect for people listed in navboxes (this applies particularly to New Year's Treat). If we restrict it just to the four national editions which have articles (and more could be notable, so we might hope for that number to increase) then I'm not sure whether a category or navbox is more appropriate, but it does seem that we should have one or the other. I read
WP:NAVBOX but didn't find much information which swayed me on whether to include panellists, or whether to use a category instead. —
Bilorv (talk)
15:16, 24 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Personally, I prefer the way we had it before, as two separate tables - one for series, one for contestants. I think it was easier to read, looked better and was easier to update for future series - as it stands, we need to wait until a series ends to add the lineup to it, because it's reliant on the positions they finish in. It's been on my mind for a while, and now we're close to having to update it for series 12, I'd like to hear other people's thoughts. This is essentially what I was thinking:
I agree that the table is unwieldy and a return to the two-table system would be preferable. I can see the benefit of listing all the positions rather than just indicating first place, but especially with the tied places and the fact that there will be a series yet-to-begin the majority of the time in the forseeable future (since the line-up is announced immediately after the previous finale), the traditional alphabetical-by-first-name order works for me. —
Bilorv (talk)
00:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I've restored the old format, with a couple of updates now we've had an extra series or so. I really can't work out how to align the "Indicator(s)" box properly so that it has a left border. I think, per
MOS:COLORCODING, that we also need to adapt the lower table a bit to communicate better to colour-blind and blind readers who the winners were (maybe a dagger symbol inside the winner's box, and add the dagger to the legend). —
Bilorv (talk)
23:04, 4 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Without much concrete information about the series, what purpose would an article serve? The information can be included here for now and when the topic is
notable (i.e. there's in-depth coverage about how the show is made or what reviewers think about it), it can be
split into a new article. —
Bilorv (talk)
07:59, 4 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Ok. So we can make an article then, when there is more information available?!
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Support, since there is not, and likely will never be, an article for the generic term "taskmaster". Of the articles that exist and are likely to exist, this one clearly wins out over the others on usage (see more below). It's hard to tease out long-term significance when all the options are entertainment products, but there's at least a good case to be made for the British show. For usage,
the page view data shows the British show gets more than 70% of the past year's page views of all the options at the disambiguation page, and an order of magnitude more than the next most popular option. The
Wiktionary pageviews for "taskmaster", presumably the option readers would click on if they were looking for the common noun, are negligible.
The WikiNav data, as of April 2024, shows that the British show gets about 75% of the outgoing clicks from the dab page. The 2nd through 8th most popular outgoing targets were other national versions of the show, which readers can get to either through clicking through the disambiguation hatnote or via the lead or body of the British show's article.
Firefangledfeathers (
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01:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
In principle a support based on the show being the PRIMARYTOPIC, but I think it would be better to have a Taskmaster franchise page (which can be built using some of the content from the UK version). This would be comparable to how
The Amazing Race is set up, that while the US version is the most recognized, its at a subarticle under that. --
Masem (
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03:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't understand what the PDAB concern specifically is. The British show is the primary one, and we do not have a specific franchise page, so this page doubles up as the franchise. The British version is the most well known so should stay without British as a disambiguator, in my opinion.
Soni (
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01:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support - Maybe it's just my life history but taskmaster is a word I've only ever known to be pejorative, and not a synonym for supervisor - a quick hit to Wiktionary should sort it. --
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Comment See the previous RM above, which determined that this article is not the primary topic for
Taskmaster and needs to retain some kind of disambiguation tag.
162 etc. (
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18:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose among all the international versions of TM, the British one is by far the primary topic as a TV series. —
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19:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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The need for a franchise article does not mean that this article should not move. As pointed out, it is ambiguous with other TV shows, so to get to the correct article, "British" would make it clear what the subject of this article is. After moving this article, splitting off a franchise article could be done. It does not need to come first. --
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