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I updated the information this morning based on the latest information - feel free to make it cleaner - I'm new at this wiki thing.
User:Silber47's repeated attempts to remove information
User:Silber47 repeatedly tries to remove sourced information that he does not like. I have reinstated it one last time, if you insist on this behaviour, be advised that you will be reported. Discuss it at the talk page if you think something should not be mentioned in the article (even though it is true).--
139.179.230.2 (
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06:04, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
"gayKurd" was, I am pretty sure, not sourced. If you want to change something, create an account instead of using IPs to violate this article. You will be reported and this page protected (only autoconfirmed user), if this vandalism goes on. And bring relevant arguments why your recurring IP violations should not be reverted. Wikipedia has ethic standards.
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Silber47 (
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06:22, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
"gayKurd" is not sourced; "Kurd", however, is, which you have attempted to remove by reverting more than three times. You need to provide a reason for removing sourced information. And you certainly can't remove it repeatedly during the day. You have been reported for edit warring.--
139.179.230.2 (
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07:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
"ethnic Kurd student" is absurd, is he studying "ethnic Kurd"? And this information is not relevant, there is no relevant reason for this information. As I said, Wikipedia has ethic standards, ethnic Kurd, ethnic Arab, ethnic Greek etcetera is only relevant, if it is a game changer (helpfull information) for the cause. But it was only an ISIS fanatic.
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Silber47 (
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08:00, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
You are the one who added "student", I would not oppose removing it. "there is no relevant reason for this information" - You don't get the decide if there is no reason for an information. And "ethnicity doesn't matter" is just something you are making up right now. e.g. the page currently mentions that the population of Suruç is mostly Kurds, and I haven't seen you removing it because they are just "Turkish people whose ethnicity does not matter".--
139.179.230.2 (
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08:25, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
After that, can we remove the city he is from? After that, can we also remove his name, because it is such a petty detail? And then, can we remove the time, because what does it matter if it is 12:00 or 11:00? After that, until which point we can remove information? I really wonder your boundaries.--
139.179.230.2 (
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09:01, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Regarding ethics, the ethnicity of the perpetrator is critical. If there is no good reason, there is no place for it.
The other information (Suruc mostly Kurdish) is not such critical. --
Silber47 (
talk)
08:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Critical because of discrimination, if there is no good reason for it, there is no place for it. Your arguments are untenable. --
Silber47 (
talk)
09:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Sorry, English is not my mother tongue, Я русский, but you know what I mean, this information can lead to discrimination. And there is no reason why this information is such important for you, unless you want discrimination. --
Silber47 (
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09:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
I seriously don't know why I am still having this conversation. You clearly have no idea what Wikipedia is, and what you say makes zero sense. First of all, it doesn't matter what kind of outcome the information on Wikipedia will cause. Wikipedia won't hide facts because they may have detrimental effects. And secondly, if you actually think that people learning the ethnicity of a criminal will have a dangerous consequence... I don't even know what to say to such nonsense. If a reader so stupid that he will hold grudge against the members of the same ethnicity, then so be it, we cannot do anything about it. We can't go on and hide the ethnicities of all criminals on Wikipedia.--
139.179.230.2 (
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09:49, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
It is clear that you have no reason, unless discrimination. That he was a student is more important than ethnic Kurd, when can't provide a good reason, I will change it. --
Silber47 (
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09:49, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't understand your aim, when the ethnicity is immaterial for you, why do you want have this information instead of student? --
Silber47 (
talk)
09:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
I am having a very hard time preserving civility and continuing to assume good faith at this point. I am afraid I won't be able to keep myself from insulting you if this goes any further. I will leave it to someone else with more patience to educate you about Wikipedia.--
139.179.230.2 (
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10:04, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
This talk is really nonsense, he was a Turkish national. This is the official statement by the Turkish government. Everything else is not lexical. Period! --
170.75.162.14 (
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11:33, 26 July 2015 (UTC)reply
@170.75.162.14 -- please read carefully the following:
This is the last warning I am issuing:
a) If you revert my edits you will be in violation of
3RR (if you are not already), which usually is rewarded with an editing block of at least 31 hours
b) You are rewriting the
reflink which is being sourced
c) I do not care if you don't like the fact that the perpetrator was an ethnic Kurd (that falls under
WP:IDONTLIKEIT)
To whomever is interested -- there is no source I have found that the perp was a "Zaza"; however this
BBC link clearly states the perp was an ethnic Kurd. The IP who keeps changing it has already violated
3RR and this matter will need to be resolved.
Quis separabit?23:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Sorry, but you can throw this BBC source away. Western media like BBC, CNN and so on have ZERO credibility and reliability regarding this topic. I bet they don't even know that Zazas exist. There are nationalist and islamist Zazas. The nationalist consider themselves mostly as Kurds. The islamist Zazas hate the Kurdish national movement, they see themselves in the first place as muslims and then Zazas. And you will not find anything about his ethnicity in Turkish media sources, because it is not needed (and also assimilation policy history). His name says everything, source is not needed as long as his name is sourced. And BBC and so on sources are normally reliable, but really not when it comes to such topics. --
178.189.131.1 (
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05:46, 4 August 2015 (UTC)reply