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Article had too much marketing tone, not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Reduced it while keeping the essential facts. Any questions or issues, please discuss here.
Joema04:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Surefire fans tend to be a bit fanatical; it isn't surprising if it comes across as a bit like advertising. Heck, I was the one who first made that huge table for this page.
Teque5 (
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22:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)reply
For future reference it looks like the person who added all the ad-like lingo is user:Nfalawyer, but apparently he doesn't exist anymore.
Teque5 (
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22:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)reply
lovely jimbo wales worship. are we quoting him as an authority on optics or photonics, or because some fanboys let their bias creep into their work? —Preceding
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76.5.80.160 (
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23:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I know there are a lot of devoted Surefire fans out there, particularly who edit this article. But isn't it in the interest of objective reporting to mention some drawbacks to the flashlight line? Nothing harsh or earth-shattering, but I feel it is worth mention these two common complaints:
That the majority use CR123A batteries (the others being rechargeable), which are usually costly unless mail-ordered through certain channels and are quite difficult to find outside of gun stores and certain electronics stores. That is, as opposed to a AA which can be found at a gas station 30 miles outside of
Grass Range, Montana for a buck or two when you're on a long trip.
That most (not all, but most) models cost in excess of $100. For a flash light.
Flashlight people are...special. When you've spent $100-$200 for some jewel-like piece of mil-spec anodized aluminum, you don't mind shelling out $10 for batteries every couple of hours. And you can't get CR-123s at the Co-Op gas bar in
Tisdale, Saskatchewan yet, either...though I bet at least one local store has 'em. At least one local retailer has CR123's at $5 in single quantities, which is only about double what you'd pay for two AAs of similar capacity from a grocery store bulk pack. But you're not buying light, you're buying a life-style choice. Live like Jimbo Wales! --
Wtshymanski (
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18:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Having recently bought a Fenix, I must say I now fully understand the "prized possession" designation applied to Jimmy Wales's
SureFire M6 Guardian. These things are "a flashlight" like a
Porsche 911 is "a car". They make lesser lights (pun intended) look like candles. Once you go
CREE, there's nothing else to see. --
Seth Finkelstein (
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23:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)reply
A wiki article is not supposed to list the pros and cons. It's supposed to list objective facts. If the article gives the impression of being a gushing fan's viewpoints it should be edited to remove the subjective views, not have a bunch of counterpoints added to it. I'm a Surefire fan myself and I own about a dozen of their lights but I'm not gonna be sat making their Wikipedia article look like the gospel, or the other way around. --
Joffeloff (
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12:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)reply
CR123
Don't know about your area, but London Drugs carries CR123s, as well as a bunch of other mass retailers (Cabeleas, Mountain Equipment Co-Op) - they are perhaps not on the peg-board at gas stations, but still pretty common. I'm pretty sure I've seen them at Wal-Mart and Extra Foods, as well; I'll have to look next time I'm grocery shopping. They are not as rare as the former reference to batteries for cryptography hardware seemed to make them. --
Wtshymanski (
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18:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Down here in the Eastern US at least, no you don't find them at most stores. You do find them at most stores that sell electronics, and ones that supply firearms. I don't recall seeing them at Walmarts around here but I might have just missed them.
That's surprising - when I look at what, say, a Target store in Fargo stocks compared with a Zellers in Winnipeg, I see a lot more stuff. Hard to believe that the land of cheese in aerosol cans doesn't have a better selection of batteries in the stores than my local retailers. Camera stores would be the next place to look, I suppose, though I don't know which cameras use CR123. --
Wtshymanski (
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14:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)reply
The other night I found them, not just in the electronics department at Wal-Mart, but in the line-up for the cash registers. Any battery you can get at Wal-Mart I refuse to consider the least bit exotic; and I don't believe any Wal-Mart in the US has fewer SKUs on the shelf than my friendly local
Transcona store. --
Wtshymanski (
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18:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply