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my first posting. please don't yell, tho' I haven't read the manual (life's too short, kids). I believe yet another kink in the supergirl origin may've been introduced in a comic by evan dorkin (of "milk and cheese" "fame") and sarah dyer (of "action girl"). in this "contranuity", kara-el, if I don't mistake her name, is from krypton's sister planet, argo, is immune to kryptonite, though has a phobia of cold (not shared by other argoans), and remains his cousin. I might be wrong. thanks for your forbearance!
I can understand the desire to have Helen Slater as the main pic, but since the article still referred to the Alex Ross artwork, I saw the need to correct the comment, or bring back the picture. I chose the latter, with an appropriate correction to the verbage. I'm not completely happy with the page layout, but it works for me for now. -- Joe Sewell 02:30, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't know how to fix this.. but I am the host of the Post Crisis Supergirl Website that is listed in the Links section.. the address has changed.. .the new address is www.karalives.com ... I hope this gets fixed and thanks to whomever posted the link...
I don't want feel it's my place to quash someone's point of view on the level of maturity or sophistication of a comic, but is it really accurate to say that the Supergirl books where Linda was an "Earth-born angel" are more mature than most other superhero books? I read them, and that's not the impression I got at all. In fact, I had the opposite feeling for these stories, and I thought that they were kind of obvious and gimmicky, like the angel they had serving on the JLU for a couple of years, for another example.
I don't think we need to editorialize for the reader. Just explain what the story was about, and let the reader of the article decide for himself (or herself) whether it sounds mature or sophisticated.
The bit about Lilith being Adam's first wife is also a little vague and out of context. Why put in that bit at all? Just link to Lilith's own article.
And on another note, the grammar in that section is all out of whack (a young boy who [sic] she believed was God). At the very least it should be fixed up for that reason.
Mael-Num 07:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh, also...I did a teensy rewrite on the "heroic death" of Supergirl, noting that it was Byrne's Man of Steel that necessarily caused her sacrifice to be forgotten. If I'm mistaken, by all means put it back. Mael-Num 01:22, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
What isn't complex or sophisticated about a woman's search for herself, which is what Peter David's Supergirl is REALLY all about? I mean it deals with themes of redemption, damnation, and belonging. Linda spends much of the series trying to redeem her past then once she's believed she's close, everything falls apart on her again and she has to figure out who she is WITHOUT Matrix and the whole Earth-Bound Angel of Fire thing. Then after finally feeling OK about herself, she has to sacrifice a young girl she cares about in order to save the universe which leads her to finally discover that she wasn't worthy of the S-Shield. That's very heady stuff
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I have just reported the recent 3RR violation by the anonymous user 24.168.61.123. You can look at it or add comments at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:24.168.61.123 That's just the beginning of the policies his recent edits ignore, but one thing at a time; a block for a clear-cut 3RR is not something he can fail to notice, and maybe that will get him engaging in some kind of dialogue. Or, failing that, just leaving the article alone, which would be less good but also acceptable. PurplePlatypus 05:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Actually we have another "reversion" of this anonymous user. I also think there's need for a reversion, thing that I did some minutes ago to the last version of the anonymous user 172.143.71.43. But I will try to attempt a contact with our anonymous. Wikipedia is like a real encyclopedia, only faster and opened to all potential editors. As such, every writer must add only contents based on real and verifiabile sources, knowing that at every moment the things he has written could be modified. We all know that. But are now matter of discussion two big issues:
I only hope that 24.168.61.123 will try to keep in mind some of this to attempt a new way of contributing wikipedia DrTofu83 16:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
By no means expert in DC stuff, let me raise a Q. Isn't the "first app" tag reserved for the gennie item? OK, Jimmy's "wish girl" was super, but was she Supergirl? I'd say no, Supergirl deubt in Action 252, which is where the Overstreet & Comics Journal (as I recall) both put her. So whassup with Action 123? Trekphiler 09:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Should there be a separate paragraph for the last survivor of "Argo" named Kara in the Superman/Aliens miniseries? Kaijan 19:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Will you infants stop switching the images of Supergirl? Dyslexic agnostic 02:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
The current opening image is somewhat misleading. The pre-Crisis versions of Supergirl outfits never that that soft-porn feel to them. Luis Dantas 02:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 22:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
"We all know that logically a young girl cannot be physically stronger than a grown-up man, we also know from the DC event "One Million" that a Kryptonian gains more powers the more he stays under a yellow sun, but, considered that the only sources at the moment on Kara are an interview to her main author and the comics, we can easily read that the current plot device is the feeling of uneasyness of the superhero community for a young girl that _they_ perceive as unnaturally strong, even compared to Superman's standards."
I don't think it is impossible for Supergirl to be stronger than Superman. My reasoning is that this incarnation of Supergirl is technically older than Superman, thus it is probably that her powers are more developed. in the Superman/Batman comic book Superman meets an "older" and "stronger" Superman, which suggests that this incarnation of Superman's power is still developing. anyways its still too early everything new talked about is left to speculation.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.31.180.15 ( talk • contribs)
It's all moot anyway - Superman IS more powerful than Kara and it's all explained in Issue 5 of the most recent series.
-- Charlesknight 12:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Matrix lived with/was raised by the Kents, but did they refer to her as their daughter? I can't remember. -- Chris Griswold 14:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I added a section about the original (Pre-Crisis) Kara Zor-El's last appearance, in the 1988 Christmas with the Super-Heroes #2, in which she cheers up Deadman Boston Brand at Christmastime. This is a relevent and important part of the Supergirl mythos: an actual goodbye and remembrance of the character. While I can understand if someone might edit the section, I would like to see it stay. -- Chris Griswold 20:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Since it seems that all of the other Supergirls ( Matrix, Linda Danvers, Cir-El and Power Girl) have their own articles, should we turn this article into a Kara Zor-El only article, or make an article devoted only to Kara? Coronis 02:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
if you guys want to give Kara another article, her history in this one needs to be severely cut down or we have two articles saying the same thing.
I think the limited history of The Supergirls would tie in better with the information of this article because now it's all about every Supergirl. 75.4.131.148 21:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Merge. CovenantD 13:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
don't merge
Kara Zor-El should stand on her own...especially now that the Matrix Supergirl and Cir-El are both "no longer in continuity." The Supergirls were never a team - they were just a off-hand comment made by Superman. One third of them (Mia/Cir-El) has now been deemed to never have existed. Let's not bog down Kara Zor-El's article with them. 69.137.100.108 12:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Technically, this isn't "her" article. It's the Supergirl article. Calling this her article is like calling "Nightwing" Dick Grayson's. Anyway, I have no real opinion on the merger. ACS (Wikipedian) 05:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Merge Kara Zor-El with Supergirl. Due to Infinite Crisis events Kara is once again the only Supergirl and the others are just wiped out of continuity, perished versions.-- The Judge 21:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
While it makes some sense to put both versions of Kara Zor-El together, it also makes the article somewhat confusing to go from reading about the Pre-Crisis Kara, then jumping ahead 20 years to the Loeb-created Kara, then jumping back to 1988 to the origin of Matrix. Would anyone else rather see the Pre- and Post-Crisis versions of Kara separated, so that the article reads in chronological order? Meaning Pre-Crisis Kara-->Matrix-->Earth Angel-->Cir-El-->the Loeb Kara. -- SHODAN 03:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree they should be in chrono order. They used to be.... CovenantD 03:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
DAVID
Is it really appropriate to have a Superwoman listing here, since she/they has/have her/their own article? CovenantD 18:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Still, It needed some work. I've done that. Cheak it out! ACS (Wikipedian) 22:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Much nicer. Thanks. CovenantD 00:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
What's the source on Superman beginning to the end of JLU being 10 years? I realize it might have been 10 years in real time, but time passes differently for comic characters. So which holds true in this case, real time or comics time (or neither, or a combination)? Darquis 22:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
How can the main Supergirl article state that Kara is NOT Superman's cousin? I don't see anything in "Little Girl Lost" that would preclude that. Further, somewhere it must have been stated in the DCAU that they ARE cousins. Otherwise, why would Green Lantern (John Stewart) at the end of "Initiation" (Justice League Unlimited: Season 1, Episode 1) tell Supergirl, "If you ever jeopardize yourself or your teammates again by running off half-cocked without a battle plan, I will personally see to it that you are kicked out of the League - I don't care WHO your cousin is." (emphasis mine)
Further in "Far From Home" (Justice League Unlimited: Season 2, Episode 10) -- from which I offer the following exchange: Superman: "...I didn't want her (referring to Supergirl) living in the shadow of being 'Superman's cousin'. Green Arrow: "This may shock you, but she's proud to be your cousin." Midknightryder13 ( talk) 18:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Some discussion of the black costumed version of this character who appeared in the most recent Supergirl title (2006) would be useful. This character seems to be an aspect of Kara Zor-El's personality which has been submerged, perhaps deliberately, only to be freed by exposure to Black Kryptonite. In the fight she has with her "good" counterpart black-costumed Kara reveals that she was sent to Earth not to care for the infant Kal-El, but to kill him as part of Zor-El's plan to revenge himself on Jor-El. While this has not been fully explained in the comics, it has nor been contradicted so far and the latest issue of Supergirl (#8, 2006) seems to suggest that the current Kara Zor-El, operating in Kandor as Flamebird, still retains the memory of Zor-El charging her with this revenge mission, suggesting that this is the black-costumed "evil" Kara, or a merged version of both Kara Zor-Els previously seperated by Luthor's exposing Supergirl to Black-K. -- James C
Kara is described by the Question and Gilbert Hale as
‘She’s just a girl! Blonde hair, blue eyes – real farmer’s daughter type!’ ‘And a handshake like a vice?’
(Fearful Symmetry, Justice League Unlimited)
Should this be removed? I watched this eposide today and the statement was about Galatea, her clone. While both had the same appearance, they don't share the same personality.
If the info is incorrect, then yes, it should be removed or transferred to Tea's article. CovenantD 14:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Supergir-Matrix was intended to be Kara Zor-El, that's why she wasnt ever called "Supergirl II". Matrix was the Supergirl revamp after the Crisis. The same hero reimagined, just like the Supremes and Judy Jordans of the Supremacy. And Linda Danvers is not yet another one, that is still Matrix, only merged with the body (not with the person, since the girl died) of a girl.
Since ten year from now nobady will remember there was a "Matrix" supergirl that wasn't called Kara Zor-El, which is the already popular version adapted not only in the movie but also in the DC animated universe, I think there is no need for a Kara Zor-El separated article.
However, I do see the need for a Matrix article, since, although intended to be the same character as Kara, the now wiped out of continuity character had a full background and several adventures covered in a considerable number of issues.
My proposal would be to make a pre-Crisis Kara section, then a post-Crisis and then a section called "Other Supergirls", with intros to Matrix-Danvers, Cir-El and the short-lived versions before Kara.-- The Judge 09:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
It's been a while since I saw the fifth season of JLU, but is the recent edit that says the animated Supergirl is staying 28,000 years in the future correct? I know she's with the animated version of the LSH, but the comic version is only a millennium ahead. -- Joe Sewell 16:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I used my memory instead of researching... I thought the Legion was from the year 30, 000, are they from year 3000? -- The Judge 01:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a machine, you know? Excuse me. Would you reserarch uf you had to fill a blank for Supermans native planet? It's kind of the same, I was so sure I thougth I didn't need research, but I was wrong. What happened, then? We fixed it. Once again, excuse me.-- The Judge 04:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't you have any manners? You've lately been talking about some of my work and I get that you have some sort of higher rank with some authority and call the shots, but that doesn't mean you get to be so impolite, and inconsiderate with other people work. I commited a mistake, we fixed it, I'm sorry. -- The Judge 07:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Spearheaded by edits from The Judge, this "Supergirl" article has returned to being very Kara-centric. Initially, I thought there would be more resistence, but there have been no reverts as I can see. The problem is that now we have pretty much two of the same article with Supergirl and Kara Zor-El. So either we radically re-edit "Supergirl" or merge "Kara Zor-El."
I support The Judge's argument that Kara's "return" ends up making all the other Supergirls footnotes in history. Kara was Supergirl for about 25 years before Matrix. Matrix was Supergirl from about 1988-1996. The Linda Danvers/Matrix Hybrid was "Supergirl" for 4 years and Linda Danvers was Supergirl solo for two years after they split. Cir-El was Supergirl for a little under a year, I think. Then we have the return of Kara who will probably be Supergirl for the forseeable future.
The argument against that is "there's four supergirls, people will get confused."
Anyway, I vote merge, or someone needs to seriously edit the Supergirl article -- Exvicious 07:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I did some work tonight, and I want to make sure I explain it. I copy edited the entire article, fixing the tense and condensing where necessary. Some sections were unnecessarily long, particularly since the article itself says that pre-Crisis Kara is the best-known version, and her section was less detailed than some of the others. I also took out a "powers" section that is redundant with regard to the one in the Kara Zor-El article and which pertained to that character alone despite the article describing a number of characters. I also re-ordered to article to reflect actual publication history as tends to be the format for these articles.
Oh, and I linked to Streaky and Comet. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 10:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a list of Supergirl's powers somewhere? I'm only a minor comics fan, I don't actually read them (and only dabbled when I was younger) but love some of the characters and ideas in them. Anyway I don't know if there are any differences between what Superman can do and what Supergirl can do (and I can't remember much about the Supergirl movie). Does she have heat vision? X-ray vision? Can she blow to move stuff (and freeze stuff)? Or are her powers a modified version of Supe's set along the lines of Spider-Woman? I came to this article to find out but couldn't. I found the article named Powers and abilities of Superman but there should be a short modified version of this in Supergirl's article. Mr.bonus 23:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
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The entry has to provide complete citations: "an interview in the TV Guide" is not OK. We must include the date upon which the interview appeared in print (or online).-- Galliaz 17:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I re-added the stuff that was on here (then removed) earlier today, but with a less confrontational wording. I haven't seen many positive reviews form any serious sources, and I think it's worth mentioning, at least in passing. Mentioning (and citing) serveral different negative reviews isn't really ust presenting one's own opinion is it?
-- Aylwinatrix 04:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I don't see anything wrong with mentioning a widespread critical evaluation. The first wording was overly opinionated and seemed biased (it likely was) but I don't see anyone having a problem with this addition, especially with the citation.
-- 70.64.6.8 04:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, you make a good point about the blog thing, although some of those are online magazines, which is a bit different. Also, print magazines like Wizard and Comics Buyers Guide recently had similar reviews (I think one of those blog links quoted Wizard directly, but I'll try to find a proper link to that). You're right about the "should be noted", I'm still pretty new at the whole wiki thing, but it is pretty weaselly, I'm going to remove it. This section should ALSO be on the Kara Zor-El page, but I think it belongs here too. The comic being currently published under the Supergirl name belongs on the main Supergirl page, don't you think?-- Aylwinatrix 08:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Weasel Words <-- for future reference.
You could also argue that the criticism is directed over character differences between the pre-Crisis version and the character since her return. Also, she appears to be portrayed differently than in Legion of Superh-Heroes. Plus, I think there's enough debate for a "Criticism" section, with comparisons of pre-Crisis, one year later, and the legion versions. For example, I think Joe Kelly responded to Supergirl being "unlikable" because she's basically a teenager and what fans feel she should act like is what she will eventually grow into. stuff like that.
This article is more for the history of everyone called Supergirl and the critiques actually only analyze the new Kara. That's just what I think, though. -- EXV // + @ 09:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the changes to the entry says it quite well. I admit, I do hate the direction Joe Kelly has taken the character (I didn't mind Jeph Loeb's stories much at all, but have really disliked the plotlines since he left, but I digress) but that doesn't have to be a part of the article, and I'm sorry my opinion clouded the article. The changes ahve repaired that, and i see that it's an improvement. You've said it very well yourself--some people like the changes, some do not. But I think it's worth mentioning (weasel word!) that there HAVE been changes, and these changes have split comics fans. The article currently reflects that. It doesn't say that people have unilaterally hated the changes, but does mention that some have not enjoyed it. The main thing is that this artcile mention there is a difference in this incarnation.
I disagree about the reviewer thing. Lots of entries about classic movies or novels contain references to critical reaction. To completely ignore this because you can't find unilateral concensus doesn't make much sense, for a comic, novel, film, album or any other work. IN my opinion, anyway -- 207.47.141.65 20:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Whatever, just keep reverting it then (despite the fact that posts on this discussion page in favour of not reverting outnumber your own opinion). Almost all of the mainstream comics media (Comic Shop News, Comic's Buyers Guide, Wizard, The Comics Interview) has been negative toward the character change, and people here have found citations to reflect that (unlike MANY of the other statements throughout this page that no one has seen fit to remove). If the majority of credible reviews about something are negative in tone, should that not be represented here on Wikipedia? Aren't reviews mentioned on pages of famous film and literary flops? Is this a bias?
I suppose the fact that DC has removed Joe Kelly from the book and is replacing him with one of the writers of the much less often maligned "Supergirl and the Legion" comic is "evidence" enough for me. I had thought Wikipedia was concensus by majority, rather than stubornness. I don't have the time to keep checking back here, so if you feel the need to make changes despite this discussion page, I'm not going to stop you. Aylwinatrix 10:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I've seen this kind of thing before. No matter how many of us agree that the changes shouldn't be reverted, Galliaz is just going to come back here and keep reverting them likely because of his own personal opinion. I don't think that it's fair to say the articles cited are "cherrypicking." Actually, I couldn't find any reviews that spoke positively of the run in question. But I guess majority rule doesn't always work. Apparently "Wizard" is no longer considered a credible source (!) despite being the only widely available comic forum. Just move on Alwinatrix. THere's no winning in this situation. Mikhaileyepatch 21:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's controversial for me to state that the rules of citation and substantiation are not up for debate or review: they exist and are the standards we follow. Someone with 10,000 edits is bound by them in the same way that someone with 2 edits is. Regarding reliable sources, we also can reference the Wikipedia content guidelines on Reliable Sources. [3] The most relevant point in the guidelines for our purposes is this one: Claims of consensus must be sourced. The claim that all or most scientists, scholars, or ministers hold a certain view requires a reliable source. Without it, opinions should be identified as those of particular, named sources.-- Galliaz 23:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Mikhaileyepatch, I don't think that you quite realize that your final sentence is a restatement of my recently-made point. (Namely, that number of edits does not matter.) Since you've accused me of capriciousness and bad faith, I don't think that we can get any further through continued discussion on this talk page. Let's put this matter up for impartial arbitration and have others look at the entry, the changes that I have made, and our exchanges on this page in order to suggest a fair resolution. I've never requested this before, and will need to figure out how it gets done, but I am willing to abide by the conclusions of an objective observer.-- Galliaz 23:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Honestly I don't think it's appropriate. There really isn't a need, and there's no way to write it in, that doesn't have some sort of bias.-- Marhawkman 19:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I think you've given us all a great starting point. I certainly have no problem with your suggestions, and will adhere to them. 71.17.155.4 22:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
How is that noteworthy?-- Marhawkman 05:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Can we get a more detailed reason and explanation for why the main image is being removed? It seems a perfectly acceptable fair use to me, since it is an extremely useful image in this context and it is at very reduced resolution and everything. I think we deserve more than an edit summary. -- Lilwik 23:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Since Kara Zor-El's Supergirl has been the only Supergirl to have been adapted into other media, I believe it would make more sense to move the section to Supergirl (Kara Zor-El). Bookkeeperoftheoccult 08:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Discussion closed with consensus to not merge.~ Zythe Talk to me! 20:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I see that powergirl has been added to the main box as a canon Supergirl however I can't remember her ever using the title. She is Kal-L's cousin and a parallel Kara but as far as I'm aware was always Powergirl even on Earth-2. I'd agree she should be listed as a variant on the Supergirl concept but that she was an actual 'Supergirl'. For example if Linda had called herself Mighty Maid she wouldn't have been Supergirl despite Kara having gone by that name previously. 90.201.210.239 ( talk) 15:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Supergirl is currently on volume 5 yet only 4 are listed. Volume One is the 1-10 series mentioned that ran from 72-74. Volume Two also stars Kara Zor-El and began as the Daring New Adventures of Supergirl and ran for 23 issues from 82-84. Volume 3 was the 4 issue matrix mini series and volume four starred Linda Danvers. We are now on 5 again starring Kara Zor El. Can this be fixed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.150.182.224 ( talk) 20:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I think it is unclear that this character is in fact Linda Danvers. They made comments that she LOOKED like Linda, but Linda stopped being an Angel after issue 50 of her own series, she never had feather wings (only firey ones), and she acted a little strange and out of character. It was never truly established that she was ACTUALLY Linda Danvers and the character that appeared seems vastly different than Linda ever was. Linda was never a "child" of Lilith as it was implied and honestly, I can see now way other than by name association and the fact that many characters (all acting rather out of character themselves) mentioned her being Linda/Supergirl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.163.32 ( talk) 04:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I read DC comics throughout the 1960s. Never was a last name given for Kara. Her parents were Zor-El and Alura. "El" was the family name and was tagged onto male family members. The custom regarding female children was not discussed during that time. If she was given a last name, it could be "El" or the family name of her mother. In the movie, "Supergirl", she identified herself as "Kara, daughter of Zor-El and Alura. I think that she should be identified in the article simply as "Kara" until you get to the different versions of her where she is identified as "Kara Zor-El" or by other names. 74.110.233.92 ( talk) 15:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Folding Supergirl (comic book) into this article makes sense at this point given the states of both articles.
At this point Supergirl (comic book) is little more than a content fork from here. Merging it in would give this article the out-of story context it needs.
- J Greb ( talk) 14:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Did Supergirl ever have sex? Just curious. Anybody got any RS? Thanks. 69.236.142.83 ( talk) 22:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
There is surprisingly little here about the artists of Supergirl in her 50+ year tenure. The array of well known comic artists who did so, particularly either notable appearances and/or long runs, ought to be at least mentioned briefly in passing, if not in a separate section. — Preceding
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-- I second this notion
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I've noticed recently that someone, who, by their username, appears to be related to Albert Plastino, is changing the article's infobox to list him as the artist who created Supergirl instead of Curt Swan. The problem is that when I looked at the article, I saw that the lead now also says that Plastino created her, but I don't see anything in the main body that answers who really did. Does anyone know which is the correct artist, so we can have the article and infobox match and nip this in the bud? rdfox 76 ( talk) 05:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why Swan is even credited. Is there some policy on Wikipedia to credit the first cover artist? As I understand it, the Kara Zor-El Supergirl was visually conceived and designed entirely by Al Plastino based on Superman's appearance (although similar characters including the genie wish Supergirl and circus Supergirl in the 40s had similar costumes). Curt Swan was just the artist on the first appearance but didn't have creative input into the story or design, as far as I'm aware.
If we're going with who created the first Supergirl in any comic, my guess would be Jerry Siegel and Wayne Boring, as there were several Supergirls prior to Kara Zor-El. If we're going with who created Kara Zor-El, I'd guess that it would be Al Plastino and Otto Binder, likely with substantial input from Mort Weisinger, who probably commissioned the idea and supplied essential details. As far as I'm aware, Curt Swan was simply hired to illustrate the first appearance but had no role in creation of the story or design. 66.188.76.51 ( talk) 12:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Supergirl has been drawn by a remarkable number of talented and historically significant comic book artists. I'd suggest some love is due to them in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OBloodyHell ( talk • contribs) 03:14, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
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The usage and topic of The Super Girl is under discussion, see talk:Supergirl (Japanese TV series) -- 70.51.200.135 ( talk) 06:41, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Dated July / August 1951, Superman builds a robot Super Woman in the second story, "The Anti-Superman Club".( 83.39.37.19 ( talk) 15:18, 3 July 2016 (UTC))
The infobox should be shortened because it should not just into the main body of the article. BaronBifford ( talk) 06:28, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
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Is supergirl real because Kara Danvers inspires me soo much i wanna be her when i grow up because how she flys and how she talks is so inspiring i love you so much Kara Danvers and supergirl!
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The link for "Alternative versions of Supergirl" under "Other Versions" within the article redirects to the top of the page and does not offer any further information on the material. I saw that there was a consensus to merge the article "Alternative Versions of Supergirl" as of December 1st 2020 (as seen here [ [5]] ) however it seems this article was deleted without any information actually being transferred. I am unsure how this should be handled. Cassandra Prime ( talk) 22:52, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Ok, well I feel like I've given more than sufficient notice about the issues in the "Other Versions" section of this page. I'm going to take it upon myself to do it, and essentially merge the now non-existant "Alternative Versions of Supergirl" page that the link in the section once redirected to with this page. Making this post, and giving it another week or so, on the slim chance someone will voice an objection to this, and as a record, but as the above post was made about a month ago, I doubt there will be. Any feedback on the decision to make this change, before or after the change, is much appreciated. Cassandra Prime ( talk) 00:06, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
The article list various Supergitl appearances, however missed the first appearance of Supergirl along with Superboy in Adventure Comics no. 278 in 1960. Supergirl is on the cover and the story was a 12 page story written by Georgd Papp about Supergirl going back into time th o Superboy's era. It is often mentioned th as t the ffg first Suprtboy/Supergirl story is in issue no.80 of Superboy. But that wasn't until 1961. This is the original meeting story (Adventure 278) of Superboy/Supergirl. 2601:483:C300:AF00:2C6E:BCAF:979E:762C ( talk) 07:39, 25 December 2022 (UTC)