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Is the future section really needed anymore? The opening paragraph links to both the original Super Smash Bros. and to Brawl – personally, I think that's enough. As I recall, the future section was originally created beacause the fate of the series was uncertain at the time; now that we know for sure that there will be a sequel, I think the section has outlived its relevance. -- Sparky Lurkdragon 04:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Any advice on how to beat Giga Bowser? And will Giga Bowser be back in the next game?
Guys, can we discuss the article, not the game, please? There are plenty of guides out there on the rest of the Internet. -- Sparky Lurkdragon 17:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes we need that future article. at least until the SSMB Brawl for Wii comes out.
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159.83.4.139
22:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think either of these accurately describes the version with 290 trophies. "PAL" does not include France and "European" does not include Australia, New Zealand, and other countries that we're assuming have the variation of SSBM with 290 trophies. But are we even sure that Australia and New Zealand have the same version as Europe, or even that France has the same version as the rest of Europe? Cosmos 07:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
-should we add the "tiers" of chraracters (basically the playability in tournaments)? -akshayaj
Super Smash Bros. for the Nintendo 64 would be similar to the MPAA's "PG" rating, and Super Smash Bros. Melee would be similar to the MPAA's "PG-13" rating.
What issue of Nintendo Power claimed the 2 extra trophies to be false? Nismojoe 14:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
If you edit the page, you'll notice that there is a Preceded By and a Followed By section in the infobox (Or whatever you call it, I'm drawing a blank), but it doesn't appear! Does anybody know why, and if so if it can be fixed? RememberMe? 21:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Should we mention that the game topped (or was at least in the the top ten of) the GameCube's sales list every month for over two years? Jaxad0127 20:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
According to Nintendo power it has never left the top ten list (leaving the question of who doesn't own it yet).
I've been a subscriber to Nintendo Power since issue 3, and I was never sent this CD, nor have I heard anything about it. tyam 05:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The idea of the reason for the change from Perfect Dark's proximity mine to the Motion-Sensor Bomb being that Nintendo's relationship with Rare was shaky at the time is proposterous, seeing as the Motion-Sensor Bomb is exactly like the one in GoldenEye 007, another Rare-developed title. -- Guess Who 20:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Is the Toad Hoax really a hoax, or is it not? Bibliomaniac15 04:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
No, it's real. Keep trying it out. I'm sure you'll get him eventually Xubelox 10:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh god it's coming back...
TOAD IS A COMPLETE HOAX!!! RememberMe? 16:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I've recently added a {{
citeneeded}} tag for the sentence that says Snake was going to be included, but the game was too far in development. I do remember reading that, but I'd like to make sure that it was a legitimate source. --
Mr. Lefty
Talk to me!
19:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
It needs to be dispersed to other parts of the article or outright deleted, because it has become very, very long. Hbdragon88 03:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I also removed this from the trivia : This is because Master Hand was originally going to be a playable character. However, he was removed, possibly due to the fact that he cannot fall. However, he can be accessed in a special debug mode using a Action Replay. I highly doubt Master Hand was going to be playable, and without a source.. 207.179.172.220 18:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I know, personally of at least 2 glitches in SSMB.
One being the Black Hole glitch.
SOMEONE SHOULD ADD a GLITCH section to this article.
-- 159.83.4.139 22:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I know a great glitch with Link. The bomb rain. Just throw your boomerang off the stage and jump off and use the hookshot to grab the ledge and just sit there. When the boomerang hits your back Link will fly high above the stage for a while. Just throw down a bunch of bombs and it will be raining bombs. lol. But you need the original Smash Bros melee game though. I still have mine.
I think it's notable to say that tournaments have arisen across the States, but this article is so specific it's basically advertising for the hosts (It's a borderline section page too). I think it needs to be revised and greatly shortened.
Kestrel 21:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Matt Deezie is considered the father of competitive Smash, his TG series needs mention. FC has held the top 2 largest tournaments in Smash history (each over 180 partipants), both these tournaments are of supreme importance to the competitive community. Last, OC2 would seem to be the first US tournament with large international appeal (7 confirmed Japanese players to attend), not only this but if expectations hold it will break the FC6 record for the largest tournament. It could be revised, but TG, FC, and OC all need mention, in addition to MLG, which holds Smash tournaments with an attendance of 150+ on a monthly basis now. 70.43.26.66 03:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Seriously. At the most, the article should note that "several large Smash Bros. tournaments have been held.." but it shouldn't provide this many specifics. These people don't need a mention because their names in this article exist basically as advertising rather than as relevant, informative content. Would a printed encyclopedia article about Smash Bros include such specific information about those who hold tournaments? No, but it would likely acknowledge that such tournaments exist. Don't worry, I'll fix it up sometime soon. Kestrel 05:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I cut it down to just the MLG. MLG is pretty big and famous, so I see no reason why to include a short blurb on the tournaments. Hbdragon88 20:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The current version of the tournaments section is completely acceptable. Kestrel 01:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah good, the tournaments section is slowly bloating back again... Kestrel 02:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the tier system in the article? Considering its importance regarding tournaments (and also its recent revision), I think it deserves a spot in the article. 128.2.246.100 02:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
http://www.mlgpro.com/article.php?aid=1404 <<<Tier List 70.43.26.66 02:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I am not familiar with the differneces in the versions, and it doens't seem to be mentioned here. I know they expanded the size of the homerun field.. does someone know enough to make a section? 207.179.172.220 18:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Changes I just made:
I want this to at least pass a WP:GA, so there you have it. Hbdragon88 23:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
After looking through the relevant websites, I found no evidence that SSBM received said award. If anyone has evidence that disproves my claim, feel free to re-add the info, but for now, I've removed it. -- Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 23:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep in former form
1. The tournament section is both truthful and well written. Removing true information from Wikipedia is always harmful.
2. An interpretation of Wikipedia:Reliable sources agrees with with the fact that because of a lack of published sources, Smashboards becomes a reliable source. Also a professional journalist currently employeed with Major League Gaming under the gamer tag of AlphaZealot has written much of the information in the History of Smash thread on Smashboards.
For an in detailed description of why this section is a keep continue below:
I read the section on Self-published sources and I am sure it can be interpreted both ways. In fact much of what is said does not apply to this section. The concept of using a video game community as a source is still in its alpha stages Reliable sources has not taken this into account. Firstly, Smashboards is the only tournament community. Based off my read of the Reliable source article, there was a lack direction toward community forums. I believe that this article is directed at finding information on forums when publish professional articles exist. For example, a medical journal posted on a forum is not reliable because published accounts exist. Also there is reason on medical forums and other forums of such to lie. It could be to give false hope, to take away real hope, or to get attention. Reliable sources did not take into consideration the concept of a video game community where the reason to lie is minimal and where no other sources exist, I think we can all agree on this. Also information on scholarly topics maybe hard to verify because certain fields require extensive knowledge. However this threat does not exist in video game community because myth and rumors are easy to dispell. With over 40,000 members it is safe to say that if someone posted false information someone would speak out. Smashboards itself has thus because a reliable source in itself.
Sorry I was not able to write this section in a timely manner because of family events. I have added it now.
I have restore the tournament section for the following reasons:
Wikipedia articles should use reliable published sources, It states clearly in the article that there are expections to this rule, emphysis placed on should. This is one of those cases.
I have cited the sources for the entire article in the tournament section. Smashboards is a reliable when it comes to Smash tournament history, because there are no professional articles about underground tournaments. Since the majority of tournaments are underground tournament Smashboards become a relible source. Not only is there no reason for a user to post false information on Smashboards, there is no way to post false information and still be able to host tournaments. Notable members (with 1000+ posts) take the game very seriously and would not want to harm the community with false information which is the category many of the posters in Evolution of the Smash Game thread are in. I, myself, am also a long time member of Smashboards and know a great deal about factuality about this section in relation to tournament history. I have also done considerable work on Wikipedia mainly in the field of citing sources so am I fluent in both communities.
In the thread Evolution of the Smash Game there is a member who posts under the gamer tag AlphaZealot. He is a long time member of the community and also is currently working for Major League Gaming as a journalist (See MLG website for more information). This meets the requiremant in Reliable sources:
A source is more reliable within its area of expertise than out of its area of expertise. Exceptions to this may be when a well-known, professional researcher writing within his field of expertise, or a well-known professional journalist, has produced self-published material.
EDIT: Also on a side note to Hbdragon88 (no offense in anyway, if I come off as offensive I apologize it is unintentional, I know you know what you are doing) you remove information that made the section confusing. For example you added the last sentence which was The independent scene also thrives, with many regions hosting monthly tournaments, and the next incarnation of MELEE-FC on the horizon. But you removed MELEE-FC when it was mentioned earlier in the article, thus confusing the reader as to what FC is. Also you removed information on Ken Hoang who is official ranked as the best player by MLG. I'm sure readers would be interested in him.
Cheers Valoem talk 04:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I understand where you are coming from, however I would like to note that the tournament section revolves around tournaments. Believe it or not major underground tournaments bring more Smash players than professional tournaments with the expection of MLG Anahiem which brough 300 people (rumored). The average MLG tournament bring 128 people. The MELEE FC and OC have brought approx. 200 people. Therefore the information is pertinent and important to this section.
Also I read the section on Self-published sources and I am sure it can be interpreted both ways. In fact much of what is said does not apply to this section. Firstly, Smashboards is the only tournament community. Based off my read of the Reliable source article, there was a lack direction toward community forums. I believe that this article is directed at finding information on forums when publish professional articles exist. For example, a medical journal posted on a forum is not reliable because published accounts exist. Also there is reason on medical forums and other forums of such to lie. It could be to give false hope, to take away real hope, or to get attention. Reliable sources did not take into consideration the concept of a video game community where the reason to lie is minimal and where no other sources exist, I think we can both agree on this. Also information on scholarly topics maybe hard to verify because certain fields require extension knowledge. However this threat does not exist in video game community because myth and rumors are easy to dispell. With over 40,000 members it is safe to say that if someone posted false information someone would speak out. Smashboards itself has thus because a reliable source in itself. (I am gonna copy this to the top because I feel is a the apex of my argument).
Actually on another side note Smashboards is backed by Nintendo, they have recently attempted to purchase Smashboards and have it mention on there forums.
Also under vBulletin a moderator can not edit another person's post without it saying "Last edited by UserName" which it does not for AlphaZealot's posts.
Leave this section as the former self because this version has withstood the test of time. Ill put up a clean up tag and we can see what other people think. Cheers. Valoem talk 04:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Before we talk about the Nsider forums which are not notable, although moderates from Nsider have posted about Smashboards, I have 3 sources, two of which are from MLG and one from wiizone that reference Smashboards. [1], [2], [3]. This shows the notability of Smashboards in and out of the community.
In reference to Nifboy, I have to say that the fighting game scene compared to Starcraft or first person shooters differ greatly, so greatly that the two should not be compared. FPS and Starcraft are in general more popular due to netplay. The online factor of the game itself could be used to promote major tournaments such as CPL. As a result the most prominent tournaments lie in the professional scene, thus making the independent scene obsolete. Unfortunately, fighting games do not have such luxury. Professional sponsored tournament have only begun to grow, first with IVGF in Seattle the 2003, and MLG in 2004, 2005, and 2006. However, professional tournament for Smash are still in the Beta stages. The majority of tournament still thrive within the independent scene therefore it is necessary to keep that information within this section. The largest hyped tournaments are still MELEE-FC and 0C. This is similar to Street Fighter who only has one professional tournament a year, EVO. In this sense fighting games still revolves around the independent scene which means that articles about tournament well be largely fan based and will not have professional articles written about it. Writing about tournaments for Smash require a great deal of knowledge from within the scene. Valoem talk 16:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
We aren't discussing the notability of the Smashboards - that would be if we were arguing for keeping or deleting a Wikipedia article on Smashboards. A reference to Smashboards does not establish reliability. It can still be considereed unreliable. I mean, Michael Moore is famous, but he's also famous for distortion, and we wouldn't cite him as a reliable source.
I have a little rule when deciding what should stay or not: if the reader would actually be interested in it. Let me quote one thing: "Isai, Chu Dat, PC Chris, Azen, ChillinDude829 and even over Captain Jack from Japan" - this is entirely irrelevent and of no interest to the casual reader, unless there are articles on those people as well. Hbdragon88 20:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
In response to Hbdragon88 there actually are article written about the following players P.C. Chris, Isai, Azen, Chillindude829 and Azen again, Chu Dat is currently ranked 2nd in power rankings, and Captain Jack is notable in Japan.
Valoem talk 23:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Smashboards was initial designed as a forum for discussing game strategies and advance techniques in Smash. However the forum itself spawned into a section for tournament discussion. Smashboards can be viewed as an independent source because many of this major tournaments have their own websites. Here are some examples:
The primary purpose of Smashboards is for Smash Bros. discussion not tournament history. Valoem talk 03:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
There you have it. The underground scene has been reported by outside sources. Have I not proved that the notability of the underground scene? I think it deserve mention in the SSBM article. Valoem talk 06:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Rewrote the entire section, cut out a few things, and some things weren't entirely accurate. Currently MLG holds most of the largest tournaments to date, the only exceptions are FC6,FC3 (just barely, edged out Chicago by 1), and OC2 (they make up the top 3). MLG NY '06 had 143 participants, MLG Dallas had 144 (the cap then), MLG Anaheim had 160 (1 person was added to each of the 16 pools of 8 players, so 16 extra entrees, in addition to that, about 35 people were turned away, we had a wait list 56 names long, but about a half dozen players did not show up even though they registered), MLG Chicago had 184 (24 pools with 7 players each, then 16 pro players, this was the cap), and finally MLG Orlando had 172 (a few players short of the cap, we had 156 players for the open event, our cap is 168) players. Do not cite anything I have written on Smashboards unless I specifically mention I am speaking in the name of MLG or some other authority (the sticky thread can be cited, it is an Official Smashboards thread). While the history thread is a valuable resourse, I cannot see how my work with MLG would make it of any more relevence, there is a difference between what is published under the scutiny of my editor and readers versus what I post on Smashboards for the eyes of fellow players (for starters, grammar and spelling go out the window practically [although within reason], you can tell by this very post what I mean I'm sure).
The first MLG that Smash was an official tournament for was MLG Chicago in 2004. Smash was in a few trial events before that time though. 2005 and 2006 are the first two full seasons of Smash with MLG. This being said, I noticed that there were no links to Nintendo Power issues 195 and 196, these are great resources, they mention MLG, FC, Smashboards, the underground community, just about everything we want to mention in this section. Ken Hoang should be the only player mentioned, while other players are great, he is the only one who truely stands out, just keep an eye out for him in EGM next month guys. It could still use a little work, the final paragraph lacks direction and I don't know all the way to ref things using the tags/codes on wiki. Alphazealot 22:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the input AlphaZealot. Tournament section looks very nice. Valoem talk 06:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Just noticed USA links to USA and not USA Network, I just copied the link from the old one but I think I may have messed something up, getting use to wiki is difficult. It could also use links to brackets from TG6, OC2, and FC6. All of those should exist separate from Smashboards, at least from what I remember. Ken Hoang can have several links, but I'm not sure they are needed since he is now listed on Wiki. He will be in EGM Oct, he was in Nintendo Power issue 195, he won the point totals for MLG in 2004 and 2005 (this was used in the previous version of the tournament section, I thought it wasn't that relevent). As I've seen, the best way to describe something on wiki (to remove opinion) is to use numbers. Don't say for instance "Smashboards is the largest community", say the number of members and make that statement afterwards. If I have failed to do that in the rewrite point it out. Also, I know that I mentioned each tournament having over 150 players, MLG has been down for the last 2 days but will be up very soon, I'm pretty sure I can get links to numbers of players from each, or at least a way to infer it, you always have to add 16 pro players to the number listed as having shown up on Saturday. Alphazealot 16:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
The tournaments section is pathetic. I'd be willing to bet money that everyone pushing for its full restoration is involved in the tournaments. As it stands now, it's just advertisement rather than informative. Kestrel 15:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
In it's previous state maybe, I'd like to know how you can talk about tournaments without actually mentioning the tournaments that are important? Or are you saying that naming the largest Smash tournament ever (actually lets take the 3rd largest, FC3) with a source from Nintendo Power, is advertising? Obviously Nintendo Power thought that FC3 was a notable and important enough to do a small story on it, it would also make sense that its next incarnation, which was even bigger, should be mentioned. 69.140.106.213 20:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
No, you don't understand. Not only is most of the content unnecessary, it's also written like a plug. It's an advertisement. If it can be properly rewritten and stripped down to what is relevant, like it was some weeks ago, then it'll be okay. Kestrel 16:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
This is also a really cut and dry section as it is, it does nothing to mention of the Snexus, Gauntlet, Bomb, etc. 164.107.217.99 05:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I failed this article as a GA due to the extensive trivia section and the large number of bulleted lists. Some P. E rson 14:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Concerning this line, in the Version Differences section:
*Ice Climbers appear as simply "Ice Climber" because many Japanese words are both singular and plural. <!--please talk before removing-->
I have done some studies on the Japanese language (truthfully, I'm just beginning to learn it, but anyway), and have always read that Japanese does not have distinct plural inflections - thus any given noun, for instance, could be either singular or plural depending on context. A quick Google search also yields some things about a "-tachi" suffix (which I've only seen on pronouns; mind, like I said, I'm nowhere near fluent), though I've not read the associated documents.
Someone care to clarify this? — Laogeodritt [ Talk | Contribs ] 20:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Why don't we eliminate much of the trivia? 164.107.217.99 05:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
-It's been a few days, if I don't hear any objections I'll remove the trivia, most of it is useless information anyways, similar to how the "advanced" techniques were removed for the sake of brevity. Also, do the voices really matter? We don't list all the designers of the characters, or all the other things listed in the games credits... 164.107.94.192 14:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
-I say remove the trivia and elimante completely the voices section. 72.20.207.29 14:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed that there is a user that keeps reverting my edits and includes what he calls is the best player of the world today. He sites the Smashboards as his source yet when I go there, there is no reference to him as being the best player of the world. If anyone has evidence from a reliable source, as to whom is the best player in the world, then please by all means include his name but please site a source directly to it. 72.20.207.29 12:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
While I'm not the person responsable for reverting the edits, there are a number of sources you can easily find. For starters his name is Ken Hoang. There is a wiki on him with ref's outside of smashboards. The last article of EGM (October 2006, number 208), on page 52 lists Ken as the 2nd most dangerious pro in the world, of course, this list includes nonsmashers and he is the only smasher on it (number 1 wen't to a halo pro). Ken has won the 2005 and 2004 MLG points totals and subsequent championships, along with Melee FC3, TG 4/5, OC2, GS2, and the list goes on. He has only not placed first 5 times in his Smash career. Again, check the wiki for more refs. In Nintendo Power issue 195 on page 77 Ken is mentioned in a caption as the best player in the world.
On MLG's website, Ken has been featured in an interview, as player of the week, in post event wrap ups, in articles about the character Marth, and a number of other instances, he has earned the nickname the "king of Smash". As for Smashboards, there is a sticky on the tournament section listing a top 25 players list, Ken has donned the top spot on each new list since its creation. He has only lost two tournaments this year (taking 2nd and 5th, both MLG events) out of more then dozen. Anyone who follows Smash knows about Ken, I find it hard to believe you looked very hard. You can hardly enter a topic about great players without Ken being mentioned as the best. 164.107.94.192 14:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
There is now (and has been for a while), a wikisite devoted entirely to the SSB series, I believe that deserves to be on the external links section. It is a newer site, but there are a handful of very devoted members (including myself) who update the site daily. It can be found at www.smashwiki.com/wiki. Thanks. 24.220.197.19 22:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree, Smashwiki would be a great addition to this page. It has basically everything that anybody looking at this site in the first place would want to see. If they are coming to this page, then they would appreciate Smashwiki to the full extent of its uses. It has a multitude of in-depth information that would be extremely useful to anyone coming to this particular page.-- 69.165.41.151 01:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I object on the grounds that it is a minor fan site. I think we have enough fan sites, especially with Smashbros and MELEE-FC. Hbdragon88 06:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't think SmashWiki is supposed to be live yet. It was created and advertised exclusively in the Smash Back Room at SWF, allowing valued members to contribute and expand the breadth of quality material to it prior to its release into the public domain. -- Randall00 Talk 23:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the mention that Bowser and Peach were slated to appear in Super Smash Bros., as, after a Google search, I cannot find a source. However, if someone wants to search more diligently and finds a source, they are welcome to re-add the information. -- Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 17:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
if you notice, playing with atleast 1 of the 2 fire emblem users on the hyrul lvl increases the chance of the alternate playing, without l and r.
and i cant remmber how i got it to play saria's song 5 tim es in a row. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cody6 ( talk • contribs)
I've taken out trivia/voices. Voices def does not need to be in there. Most of the trivia was also pointless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.94.192 ( talk • contribs)
I was wondering if we could make a list of the Pokémon appearing In-Game, from Pokéballs and possibly in the PokéFloats stage. The Super Smash Bros. article has one and I think it's quite nice, though this article is already so long already that I don't want to clutter it up if it's not necessary. Perhaps I could add it to the List of NPCs article if it won't work here?-- MJMyers2 12:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
THis is getting ridiculous. We need to remember Avoid peacock terms and realize that Wikipedia is here to report facts. It is not a vehicle for self-promotion. Among the things I just removed (bolding is mine): "held one of the largest national tournaments ever" "The number of users on Smashboards has more than doubled in the last year" "The popularity of Smash as a competitive fighter will surely continue to swell" "with the influx of new members on Smashboards the local tournament scene will continue to prosper." Let's keep it simple. Hbdragon88 22:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
While discussing this, please don't remove the whole section. Ken Hoang and such are notable information. Andre ( talk) 02:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this section is fine because it shows the limits of the game. Valoem talk 03:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The thing is pitifully still difficult to understand. Questions here:
More questions on the way... Hbdragon88 04:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I did not write this section. Just throwing that out there. It was written by AlphaZealot who is a journalist for MLG, also I did not rv, I simply copy and pasted tournament section. I acutally liked your version better, but it was filled with errors I didnt feel like proof reading it when the previous version was fine. Valoem talk 04:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Responses:
1. "These community sponsored events slowly grew, with certain tournament series proving to be milestones within the community." - peacocky, vague, and unclear: needs to be clarified
TG was an underground ametuer tournament hosted by MattDeezie (unlike MLG which is a professionally run tournament with camera crew, television coverage, and sponsorship from major companies including Sprint and Gamestop). This tournament was a milestone in the community because TG is what sparked the acknowledgement of the popularity of smash from professional gaming leagues.
2. "By its sixth incarnation in the summer of 2004;" - meaning what? They host a tournament every half year or something?
Yes he(MattDeezie) did.
3. "Not by coincidence, it was this same summer that the case was made for Smash to be added" - this is sheer ridiculousness, I tried to remove it, you keep reverting it.
What? This makes perfect sense. Smash was added because of the popularity from TG. Ill tell you why, but i doubt it will be added in. In the smash community there is a former player (now employee of MLG) by the name of Jason (gamer tag M3D) who introduce Smash to MLG in 2004. Thus they added Smash to the roster.
4. Zero Challenge 2 doesn't have a citation other than the site itself, which is not a reliable source. "truly international" also sounds extremely peacocky.
I dont know what to tell you there, i think you just have to assume good faith. It is the truth though I know you are going to say that is hardly an argument. Remember this section was written by AlphaZealot, also I can be a primary source of its factuality as a member of the commuity with a good edit history of Wikipedia.
5. "Matt Deezie" means nothing to me as he was not mentioned eariler in the paragraph. He just gets dropped in the middle of nowhere.
He was a moderate on Smashboards, that sparked the tournament community.
6. What's Melee FC3 (2005) and FC6 (2006). Did they host three tournmanets within that time, or what?
Actually was a joke between the Kish brothers. They go in increments of 3:)
Feel free to add in what ever other information you want. Valoem talk 04:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Fixed minor error in caption to "Tamagon" trophy picture. Tamagon appears only in the Japanese version of the game, and was removed from the North American release because of its apparent association with the occult (from the "Demon World" series of games). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.131.167.26 ( talk • contribs)
Something very obvious worries me about this article: why isn't there a section on Stages? I would have thought it would be a cert in an article like this. Super Smash Bros has a section on this, and so does Super Smash Bros. Brawl, even though the game isn't out yet!-- Ninty 19:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
The unlockable stages section I wrote was NOT from a game guide: that's information widely available on the internet. I see no reason for it to have been removed. 68.237.226.137 22:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
There's a "snaking" section in the Mario Kart DS wikipedia entry, but there is nothing at all in the Wikipedia entry for Super Smash Bros. Melee about wavedashing. Why not? Darkteferi 03:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I've seen this forum linked over and over again on all of the Smash Bros. related articles. This forum has a whopping 19 members, and I'm pretty sure that puts it in the unnotable department. So if anyone sees the forum linked on any of the SSB related pages, do your best and delete it. Paji out ^_^ Comrade Pajitnov 22:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
An IP user is adding the follow:
"During the first year of the launch a single-elimination 5 stock tournament was held by popular gaming company IGN in New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Tokyo, and Kyoto. In each city the prize was $200 equivalent. Most notable wins are Masashi in Tokyo, Ken Hoang in Los Angeles and youngest ever winner (at time 8 years) Amir Nili in Miami."
This is not true there never was such a tournament if anyone sees anything like this please removed it. Valoem talk 16:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Didn't there used to be a SSBM site? If so, what happened to it? Johnny's pizza 20:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)