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New definition of Fascism
In a recent article, an author uses a definition of fascism developed by the writer and retired businessman, Laurence Britt. To develop his theory, Britt compared the regimes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Salazar, George Papadopoulos and Suharto, all of which he deemed fascist. Can we now accept this new definition and change this article to reflect its findings? Please discuss at
WP:RSN#Proud Boys. Note that while the source is used to label the Proud Boys as fascist, it could also be used as a source for other articles if it is deemed reliable.
TFD (
talk)
23:30, 24 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Killings?
I have read elsewhere that Suharto was responsible for literally millions of deaths of Indonesian people.
But I cannot find that fact mentioned anywhere in this article.
The 1998 portrait is simply more suitable; it shows what he looked like in the majority of news broadcasts and books etc. from when his regime first came to light. Also, most other political figures generally have their portraits from their last term or even after their terms ended, for example
Margaret Thatcher or
Barack Obama. Surely the same applies here?
Mordhau (
talk)
14:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I also objected the removal of honorifics in the infobox. In Indonesian Wikipedia his name, in both the main article and infobox, is written as "
Jenderal Besar(Purnawirawan)HajiMuhammad Soeharto" ("Jenderal Besar (Purn.) H. M. Soeharto"), which Suharto adopted after his largely-publicized Hajj pilgrimage in 1993 (the Jenderal Besar part was adopted in 1997). Therefore, I'm adding the honorifics back to his infobox until this Talk topic is finalized; afterall,
Sudirman and Suharto ally
Abdul Haris Nasution still have their Jenderal Besar (General of the Army) honorifics written in their English Wikipedia articles' infoboxes.
Gibranalnn (
talk)
06:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Gibranalnn: According to
MOS:POSTNOM, Post-nominals should only be mentioned at relevant places ..., in an infobox parameter for post-nominals. In this case, it is mentioned in the |Honorific prefix= parameter in the infobox. However,
MOS:POSTNOM also states When the subject of an article has received honours or appointments issued either by the subject's state of citizenship or residence, which indicates that only
General of the Army can be included, as
(Purnawirawan),
Haji and
Muhammad are neither honours nor appointments issued in Indonesia.
Ckfasdf (
talk)
09:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Ckfasdf: Perhaps, we could add "General of the Army (Ret.)" to the infobox, much like the "
Prabowo Subianto" article (his former son-in-law, also a politician and a retired military officer). As for "
Hajji," I never see any infoboxes about notable Muslims that ever included this honorific.
RyanW1995 (
talk)
07:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I have no objection to including "General of the Army" in the infobox, as it align with
MOS:POSTNOM as previously mentioned. However, since he attained that rank long after retiring from the army, I don't think it's necessary to include "(Ret.)" in the infobox.
Ckfasdf (
talk)
04:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Ckfasdf: In my opinion, the honorific "Retired (Ret.)" is the English translation of the Indonesian honorific "Purnawirawan (Purn.)." I saw in the Indonesian Wikipedia,
Suharto's military honorific is "Jenderal Besar TNI (Purn.)." Therefore, if we want to include this honorific in this article, it would be "General of the Army (Ret.)."
RyanW1995 (
talk)
05:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply