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I am not going to edit out the removal of references to the NCP without getting support from others who agree as I'm not sure which point of view is more neutral on this one. I'd point out that no prominent member of the Labour Party is currently also a member of Socialist Appeal but that doesn't mean the two organisations aren't linked... Or indeed the relationship between Ken Livingstone and Socialist Action.
While I don't expect to see Andy Brooks stand up at a Stalin Society meeting, and indeed there may have been a factional disagreement over the increasing domination of the society by the Brar-ites, I still feel the link between the organisations is relevant.
However, I don't have the open sources to state a watertight case.
Samchallis 14:52, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Samchallis -- I've replied on the NCP discussion page. The point is that the NCP as a party does not have any connection with the Stalin Society and the disagreements pre-date Brar. Those disagreements were not based on the NCP's understanding of the role of Stalin but on the petty sectarian nature of the officers of the Stalin Society that made it impossible for the NCP to work with them in any capacity. This is a simple fact. Whether any individual members of the NCP are members of the Society is irrelevant as the Society is not proscribed by the NCP. The question is simply the relationship between the NCP as a party and the Society. There is none and there hasn't been one for over a decade.
This society exists in Sweden to. http://www.geocities.com/stalinsallskapet Why don´t you write about it?
User user:Cmdr has been repeatedly removing the following paragraph from the article, claiming it to be nNPOV:
The society publishes essays on its website denying any of the crimes of Stalin and the Stalinist regime including the Katyn Massacre [2] the Ukrainian Famine (Holodomor) [3] and the Stalinist show trials [4] which they variously blame on Germans, dismiss as propaganda, and describe as fair process.
I cannot understand how this can be seen to be the case, as all information is fully referenced to the Society's own website, and following the links fully confirm its claims. If there is any disagreement over the form of the words, that can be raised and discussed here, but blanking a relevant and fully-referenced paragraph over nebulous claims of nNPOV is entirely inappropriate. 86.0.203.120 21:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Feels like censorship. Is it a tiny organization? Has it not had a lot internal break ups with people leaving or kicked out the organization? Schism? Is not the organization trying to address long dead political leaders? Ageing? Review NPOV designation - Four reasonable, verifiable descriptions about the organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobanni ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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This article is basically an opinion piece, written in a vulgar style deliberately designed to misrepresent the Stalin Society. I corrected a number of things which were undone. Yet I can't see any justification for saying that the Stalin Society "blames it on the Germans", when in fact they blamed the Nazi Regime, or in privileging the work of Johan Hari - a known liberal, anti-communist polemicist - as somehow authoritative on the Stalin Society, due to him attending one meeting, which he then reported on for a liberal, anti-communist newspaper. Hari's article contains no content and no political analysis. So why should his hearsay be put in this article with the disclaimer "the society has been called...", well, no, one polemicist called it that. Those are weasel words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenin2008 ( talk • contribs) 17:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, User:Biophys justifies her/his argument by saying that s(he) was "restoring sourced views. If "this is only one view", please provide alternative views with sources per WP:NPOV)" (see discussion of the main article page). However, I don't see this logic. It remains "only one view" whether or not I can find "alternative" views on the internet (in fact I can, because the Stalin Society responded to Johan Hari in a letter, which is included on the same page as his Independent article, however, I don't see hwo this minor dispute merits discussion on this page). In fact it will remain onyl one view, until considerably more people can be found expressing that they share that view, and prefereably backing it up with authoritative knowledge and understanding.
Perhaps I should go on to the Johan Hari page and mention that the Stalin Society criticised him. No? Didn't think so.( talk) 13:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Lenin2008 Lenin2008 ( talk) 13:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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Do we really need to report the smug virtue signalling of this bourgeois liberal journalist? There is no serious critique, just comparing Marxist-Leninism to people who believe the earth is flat?? I would say this belongs on his own article. Claíomh Solais ( talk) 12:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
I propose we remove the following content concerning Nikolai Yezhov:
The responsibility for these events is generally ascribed to the NKVD during the time of Stalin's leadership, but articles published online by the Stalin Society deny this, citing Nikolai Yezhov, and not Stalin as responsible.
This has been marked as unsourced for some time and I cannot find anything on the Stalin Society website to substantiate it, or even make sense of it. Some of those associated with the Stalin Society (Grover Furr, Paul Cannon etc.) consider Yezhov to be a counter-revolutionary responsible for NKVD repressions and conspiring with foreign powers. However, the text above is confusing as it suggests that the Stalin Society believe the NKVD was not responsible for the events but that Yezhov, its head, was.
Polly Tunnel ( talk) 16:49, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Done as no objections raised. --
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