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I note from the article history some editors removing the location map from the infobox and then others reinserting it. Rather than an edit war developing could people suggest their arguments for an against the map being included here. I believe they are useful in helping those who are unfamiliar with the local geography to place the topic of the article within its geographical context. I have also found their use to be standard (and therefore probably expected) within this infobox (Infobox religious building) and Infobox Historic sites and various others which are used on articles about buildings etc.—
Rodtalk13:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)reply
There is no requirement for standardisation in any non assessed article - even at FAC there is no requirement for an infobox. I'm in that camp that think they're vile, and wouldn't have them in my own articles - however usually the principle editors are deferred to - if they want it, who am I to disagree? (to quote the Eurthymics)
So with that tolerance regarding the infobox in general in mind, we turn to the map. It is currently occupying extraordinary amounts of space and giving very little in return. We already have the building's coordinates twice (was 3 times!) by means of which users can navigate to the whole google earth streetview extravaganza if they choose, so it's utility is of questionable benefit. In my view that space would be better used by an image.
I'd accept an alternative compromise that included a map at the bottom of the article where it wasn't so prominent and where its importance can be properly reflected. --
Joopercoopers (
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13:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I am slightly worried by your comment "wouldn't have them in my own articles" which might be an example of
WP:OWN. No one "owns" this article, although I believe I have edited this article more than anyone else. You might want to look at
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (infoboxes) for recommendations. One approach thrashed out at
Talk:Montacute House was to have a collapsible infobox. As far as including the map is concerned, it gives the context without have to click on other links, which readers may not be aware that you can click on the coords to get further maps etc. Standardisation is a good thing if it helps the readers to quuickly and easily find the information they may be looking for - surely anything which helps that is useful. Yes consensus can change but I would welcome a link to where you feel this has been discussed.—
Rodtalk14:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I'm very aware of WP:OWN Rod and largely disagree with it. Principle editors should, for non-controversial articles, in general have a say in their work and the way in which it is presented. That said - as you are the principle editor - I defer to your better judgement and withdraw, but urge you to think of the compromise I suggested - is where it is in Bristol, more important than what showing off it's architectural merits? regards --
Joopercoopers (
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14:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your gracious withdrawal. I (& I'm sure others) will consider it & if we can expand the article with more about the architecture this would give more opportunity for images to illustrate it. Would you like to look at
St Mary Radcliffe on Commons & suggest which you think should be included?—
Rodtalk14:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)reply
For now, the infobox exterior image is the best and so is the interior of the nave. I'd include one of the historic prints in the history section to illustrate the loss of the spire. There's rather a dirth of decent images on the commons as far as I can see - the architectural 'juice' is really going on in the massing, (which is illustrated) the detail of the interior and the mouldings of the exterior (which sadly is not). Anyone from the Bristol project fancy a trip out with a camera? --
Joopercoopers (
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14:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)reply
There are also some lovely pics on Flickr with Wiki-compatible licences. See
this search which reveals them. Uploading to Wikimedia commons is easy I've done many using
this tool and would be happy to do the uploads if you flagged any particular images. --
Simple Bob (
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14:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Hi. I am slowly adding better quality photos of St Mary Redcliffe. If you have suggestions which features of the church should be (re)captured, please let me onow.
kovsky (
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07:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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