This article is related to WikiProject Schools, a collaborative effort to write quality articles about schools around the world. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the
project page.SchoolsWikipedia:WikiProject SchoolsTemplate:WikiProject Schoolsschool articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Canada, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Canada on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CanadaWikipedia:WikiProject CanadaTemplate:WikiProject CanadaCanada-related articles
Good day. Please do not remove large sections of historical content that relates to this article with no explanation. This is factual and referenced material. I invite you to share thoughts on the matter here. I am refering to this text, which has been removed a few times with no explanation:
"In the 1990s, criminal proceedings began against members of the Christian Brothers in Newfoundland, several of whom were teaching at STMC (Edward French, Joseph Burke, Edward English, and Kevin Short.[1] The proceedings were based on allegations of sexual and physical abuse against boys at the Mount Cashel Orphanage. It was alleged that the Brothers were allowed to escape prosecution at the time (1980s) if they left Newfoundland.[2] The subsequent lawsuits by victims of the Christian Brothers organization threatened to close the school in 2004.[citation needed] The story received considerable press coverage and was covered as widely as in Pakistan.[3]"
I see that anon user 216.232.59.112 has made the same revert with no explanation or edit summary. Can you please explain your rerasoning? Thanks,
Hu Gadarn (
talk)
22:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)reply
The same user has again removed the content and now (oddly) removed the entire text from this "discussion" tab (which i have restored)..
Hu Gadarn (
talk)
23:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)reply
Hi folks - I see that someone again deleted this section with no explanation. Please discuss here. This is an important, albeit difficult, time in the school's history. It needs to be captured here as much as any significant piece of history. I welcome your thoughts. Thanks,
Hu Gadarn (
talk)
04:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)reply
edits
Removed names about accused working at STMC.
citation mentioned, says nothing of the sort. In fact, It doesn't mention STMC or Mount Cashel. Proper citation needed.
Joseph Burke conviction was overturned. In other words 'Not Guilty'. Should not use this name.
Removed section about alleged brother's were allowed to leave Newfoundland.
citation used, also dosen't state this fact.
This is an allegation, not a fact.
This has nothing to do with STMC's school history.
Removed section of covered as far as Pakistan.
Not relevent to the schools history.
News article is dated 2002 and section stated the 'threatened to close the school 2004'. Pakistan News doesn't read the future.
Moved citation from Pakistan News.
Can be used to, show how the lawsuits threatened the school.
I left parts of your contributions, because they are true. But you need to provide proper citations.
Your contribution seems bias. Wikipedia needs to provide a neutral point of view.
Also, I noticed that you started the articles on
Kevin Short,
Edward French, &
Edward English at the same time and same information.
I will edit your article on Joseph Burke. The reason being that his conviction was overturned.
It is unfortunate that these abuses happened. But STMC form BC is not responsible for what happened in Mount Cashel in Newfoundland. But like the victim's of Mount Cashel, STMC is also a victim of the actions of these brother's. I hope you can see this.
I think you should declare your personal interest in the above. Do you have any connections whatsoever with the institution or the people concerned because the above remarks certainly convey that impression. This would enable other editors to decide if you have broken Wikipedia's rules on providing a Neutral Point of View in its articles.--
Jtomlin1uk (
talk)
19:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Wow - someone added an explanation on the diuscussion page instead of just removing the text. Thank you for this. I will remove my text (which I just (re)added) until I can find appropriate references. That said, this *is* an important part of the school's history - it was frequently in the news (print and TV) during this period and covered widely. Some convictions were overturned - not all were - some of the brothers were sentenced to prison. Ultimately though the convicons are less important than the class action lawsuit launched against the Christian Brothers, which threatened to result in the sale of the STM. Again, I will revert the text now (to remove mine), find appropriate references and then re-add this material. Thanks,
Hu Gadarn (
talk)
05:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)reply