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I'll do a quick pitch on proposed structure for the article -- see what you guys think. The way I like best on first blush is to make the article hierarchical sorted by sport, based on the following outline:
Sport (e.g. Auto Racing, Football) If the individual sports sections get too big we could break them out into separate articles and then have a See Main Article: Football Games' line
Starting list of sports (bet I leave out an important one), (now separated into team sports and individual sports Coll7 23:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)):
That should start the discussion! Coll7 18:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
So far so good - I am open to ANY ideas on this and other similar articles, because I have never really worked on this type of game genre article extensively. I'm sure some others can come up with some more suggestions to add to this good start you have made. I'm going to go ahead and add "Volleyball," "Bowling, "BMX (biking)," "Surfing," "Horse Racing," "Pinball," "Wrestling," "InlineSkating," "Rugby," "Skateboarding," "Paintball," "Wakeboarding," "Tennis," "Fishing," "Hunting," and "Casinio," to the above list.
The last three (and maybe some of the others) are debatable I guess, but XBOX.com classifies all of the categories I added as "Sports" (and incidently has made at least one of each of the ones I added). I also broke up the American Football Category to NFL and Arena. I don't know if there is Arena Football outside the U.S.? I also broke up the Basketball category into NBA and NCAA. Same for Golf. There may be more Football/Basketball affilations than the ones here ..but I'm just listing what I know exists. The other sports may or may not have "divisions" that the categories can be split up to.
I know I added A LOT. Some of these things can probably be divided up even further ..like dumping a bunch of them in "Water Sports" Thoughts? -- Naha| (talk) 20:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Playstation.com also classifies some of its game into "Extreme Sports." (I'm assuming stuff like Skateboarding/Snowboarding/Inline Skating/Motercross - but Snowboarding also can fit into a "Winter Sports" Category ..bleh. I can't find a way to search through Playstation's entire game list though ..look at all games in x-genre like I can on Xbox.com. -- Naha| (talk) 20:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
P.P.S. Apparently there is a "street game" version game out there of just about every major sport. I've browsed Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo games thus far. Typically I just think of street basketball when it comes to street versions of video games... but they are all there ..even "Freestyle Street Soccer" for Gamecube -- Naha| (talk) 20:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I added some more and rearranged a little in the history section outline, based on today's posts. Please build on or modify what I scribbled. Coll7 22:16, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Formatted, fixed titles and added a few. I think racing games need to be left in the Racing games article, with just a brief mention and a main article link here. I don't think paintball, pinball, or poker should be covered in this article either. There's a couple others I'm on the fence about. -- Pagrashtak 02:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
id reccomend we start assembling the lists of important historical games and at least 3 example games of each sport. This will help alot with next weeks GCOTW, as i think we should focus mostly on developing a good history and genre overview sections. We should also include how gaming has impacted proffessional sports (it has taken away from ratings). and can mention things like the Madden curse. -- Larsinio 21:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Larsinio, thanks for your comments. As I have already stated, all the companies who produce these games have classified them as "Sports" Genre. I don't know what other classification system to use. It seems to make more sense to use the one set forth by Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo and others in the bussiness than for us to decide what is and is not a sport, which is basically pesonal opinion. They show poker and horse racing on ESPN btw. At least using an already-in-place structure would keep us away from editor bias /shrug.
The only one I really see that can go of the ones you mentioned is Paintball (although either Xbox or Playstation, I can't remember which, throws it in their sports category) And yes ..I did ask for commentary on my additions to the list ..not trying to sound defensive, just trying to ration out what we should do :P -- Naha| (talk) 21:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Another comment. I see you listed "racing" besides BMX biking. I was under the impression that not all BMX biking was racing, and much of it was the competition of doing different stunts in the air etc. Can anyone clairfy this? -- Naha| (talk) 21:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I can agree with that but the point is a bit weak; People don't compete at Solitare, the do compete at Poker, and I think that is part of it. Competition is a large part of sporting. Poker has always been big, the recent phenonema is mainly Texas Hold 'Em ..and I still can't figure out why that game took over the poker world. It really boggles my mind. Also, Poker is listed on List of sports /shrug. We should, as you say, at the very least have a small paragraph or so on Poker and then provide links to Gambling video game or something similar as noted.
As far as Horse Racing goes, I guess we will have to check into the individual games and see what the player actually does: Betting or are they the Jockey? or something else? Maybe a combination. -- Naha| (talk) 21:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I love that definition for sports and the examples Brittany Bowley ( talk) 11:03, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
As I see the article start to take shape I'm wondering whether the present chronological flow with sports all intermixed is best, or whether we should give a sub-head to each sport and then trace the evolution of its sports games over time. That would put all the football games together, etc. and may make the evolution easier to follow. We could then have meta-topics (as now) on things like extreme sports' entrance, exclusivity, graphical innovation, simulation vs. arcade etc. Thoughts? Coll7 21:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Recently several studies have come out that state that the drop in ratings of profeessional sports is directly linked to the rise of popularity of the video game versions of those same sports.
The misspelling of "professional" aside, if you're going to refer to conclusions drawn in "several studies", you should provide links to those studies. I added the unreferenced tag since I couldn't find any information myself. Oh, and if there's a section version of the "unreferenced" template, please replace the current notice with that. TaintedMustard 16:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't wrestling on this list. It is 'SPORT entertainment or you could put at least put Puroseou games on it because thats the close professional wrestling is to a sport
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I suggest that all Team Sports should be subdivided in teh same manner that, for example, Football is. Just as Football games are divided into NFL, AFL, XFL, NCAA, Australian, and Other we should do this for all Team Sports and certain more mainstream Individual sports (eg. Racing, Golf, Tennis, etc).
For Team Sports I would suggest the following subdivisions, but I'm no expert so someone with more sports knowledge should attempt this:
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I deleted hunting and fishing games. I don't think they can be regarded as sports. Maybe another page should be created for them? Fletcherjlynd ( talk) 15:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Including their all-time classic titles Summer Games and Winter Games. JAF1970 ( talk) 17:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I want to propose a removal of this section. It seems to show bias towards certain games and I can't see people using it as a useful resource. In its place, I propose that we make
List of Football (soccer) video games,
List of Badminton video games etc and place a list of them on
List of Sports video games by sport. That way we allow people to easily navigate Sports related games and get rid of this garish and unnecessary section.
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I've withdrawn these comments as I now believe that the Category:Sports video games easily accommodates a navigation system, making lists unnecessary. Greg Tyler ( t • c) 19:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
so where do board games such as Start-O-Matic and Statis Pro, which predate electronic and video games, fit into this schema? 165.91.65.11 ( talk) 22:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)RKH
'...Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, the first official title to feature both Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog...'
No, that was Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
2.96.115.125 ( talk) 11:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
I've seen a number of more recent Sports (video) games which more and more simulate real sports, but is it fair to call all sports games a simulation? I've worked on industrial process simulators which duplicate the real environment exactly (with the addition of an instructor console and simulated processes instead of real) - which is to say that I believe there is a difference between a "simulation" and a "video game". I would tend to put "games" like MS Flight Simulator and XPlane in the category of "simulator"/"simulation" (rather than video game), and games like World of Tanks in the category of video game (rather than simulation). In my mind, a simulation puts the user into the actual "chair" of the "operator" as if in the real environment. I think it's fair to say "A sports game is a video game that simulates the practice of traditional sports.", but not necessarily (and I'm paraphrasing/linking) "Sports game; Part of a series on: Simulation video games" as not all sports games, (though increasingly more-so) are what I would call simulations. Comments? Jarod ( talk) 16:04, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
This article should either be renamed to sport videogames (term used for example in [1]) or refocused to discuss non-video sport games, as in board (tabletop) games, such as oh, for example, non-video Bloodbowl and thousands others. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:45, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I am feeling happy and graceful that I am here another Sunday.g Brittany Bowley ( talk) 11:04, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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Association football is the proper and most used name. Wikipedia isn't just for Americans, but for the entire world. Soccer is a controversial term only used in America. Therefor it should be avoided and Association football should be used. As this term is not controversial and accepted worldwide. "Association" should be added to avoid confusion with other types of football.
It's also an excellent compromise between Americans and Brits to use neither "soccer" or "football". Association football is not only the most correct term, but also one that is acceptable for the entire world, unlike soccer.
The result of the move request was: Consensus to move ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 17:53, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Sports game → Sports video game – As per WP:CONCISE, the title needs to be clear and concise. "Sports game" is confusing, as that term is also used for the actual real-life sports themselves. "Sports video game" is more clear and concise, specifically referring to electronic video games that simulate sports. Maestro2016 ( talk) 11:57, 25 October 2020 (UTC)