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Just this sentence: besides possibly affected national elections scheduled for March 14, three days after the attack, which was, arguably, the main goal of the terrorists. is enough compromise to POV to grant the section the tag. There are other subtle phrases in the paragraph that are suspiciously written.-- David ( talk) 10:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
David, I have partially restored a removed excerpt indicating that the effect of the bombings were harmful for the PP expectations. It is self-evident and doesnt need much discussion the fact that no party wants to see hundreds of demonstrators in front of their premises calling this party leaders liars a mere couple days before the elections are to be held, while all is being covered by an intensive media attention. Then, as a rule of thumb, if it affected negatively the PP, then it affected positively the PSOE, so I was originally going to restore this one too. But then I thought maybe it is this part which you dont find neutral, so this latter part, I have finally ommitted it. Note that it is 'the effects' of the bombings (i.e. the popular reaction) which is the subject of the sentence, not the bombings themselves. For the bombings themselves could have had as their effect a popular gathering around the ruling party, but it was the contrary what happened. In other words, the bombings are one thing, and the inference and responsabilities of both PP and PSOE outcomeleaders in the turmoil that followed is another thing (which this article is not the right place to explain in detail). Hope you agree. Mountolive all over Battersea, some hope and some dispair 19:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
If what you are getting from the removed redaction is that the PSOE backed the bombings, then it is indeed an unfortunate one. I'd say that the idea behind that removed excerpt is that, yes, the PSOE backed the turmoil which followed and some PP members resent that. This hardly falls in any conspiracy theory whatsoever. It could be documented that the PSOE did nothing to stop the turmoil which followed, but actually 'massaged' it somehow (how much it was involved is impossible to determine nor should make us bleed here: for some it would be the main agent behind the demonstrations, for others just supported and joined them).
I would do it myself, but I guess you will feel more comfortable with your own wording, so please feel free to work on a clearer redaction to better express this if you find the removed excerpt misleading the way it was. Mountolive all over Battersea, some hope and some dispair 17:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Guess what, I am not really opposed to the paragraph suggested by Southofwatford...but I can't help noting it is saying basically the same thing than before, but just in a more vague way, isn't it? It just shies away from the concrete description of it. Do you guys realize about that? Are you aware that your point of view sounds like "we will only tolerate a mild account of it, but what they say is just too heavy to appear here" (that was before SqueakBox eliminated any unconvenient remnant, of course)....sounds like self-imposed censorship, doesnt it? Is it hardcore porn for you to quote PP sectors accusing the PSOE of being behind a massive sms sending? If that was the case, please excuse my gross taste here.
In contrast, I'd like to think that readers here have a high enough IQ to make their own appreciations as long as the partisan character of from both sides is clear. I'd like to think that they could be spared a mix of good faith&bias censorship like the one that has been instated.
It looks like you guys are just too uncomfortable with the massive sms theory, and the fact that you don't like it is enough grounds for you to remove it despite it being properly referenced (in the words a very prominent journalist which was a part of the story). The fact that you won't let a referenced text to appear and illustrate how a significant tract of people sees it, but you prefer to substitute it by a more general P.C. account, it actually speaks of your own bias and insecurities. And then SqueakBox came to finish the job and ease any remaining insecurity.
So let's make a summary of the story before I run away from here: some sectors in the PP have their own views of what happened in the aftermath of the attack, a number of PP ranks have stated so along with the media related to the PP; I was lucky enough to find a proper reference to cover it (it's not so easy sometimes). Then the next thing we know is that you guys remove it both text and reference on the grounds of this being biased, like if the text didnt make very clear that this is a claim from the PP. In contrast, the PSOE version of it (that the government lied) is not a conspiracy theory in your view, you assume it as true, am I wrong? Next question would be on which grounds do you base your claims of the PSOE account of the story being the good one. But dont worry, I think it's clear enough to spare everybody some confusing blabla about how neutral you are.
But what I find really astonishing is that, still, you (David, in this case) have the dazzling chutzpah to call me biased ¿?¿?
I thought expressing all views and support them by a proper quote was one of the main parts of the 'business' here in wikipedia. And I still think it despite your latter-day mix of P.C.&bias, but I definitely forgot of the power of mob rule, though.
Because no one seems interested anymore in calling an administrator to shed some light here, right? Apparently you have decided that it's much better to have two or three editors with the same ideas to settle what fits and what doesnt fit in here...because there is always the risk of an administrator would see it differently.
By the way, SqueakBox, very nice work of suppressing any additional "inconvenient" text remaining (inconvenient for your POV, that is to say). Now you have completed the circle and readers are finally deprived of the PP account of the story. Only the PSOE one is in the text now...just the way a-ha, a-ha you liked it.
You are right if you thought that the rest of editors here wouldnt have any problem with your further unilateral removal (no one has said anything, looks like they won't). You were a bit more drastic than them and went straight to a good old-fashioned deletion of content. They were a bit more diplomatic and just changed the wording for it to appear more palatable for left-wing editors. But, don't worry, SqueakBox, I actually salute bold editors like you in imposing their POVs over more sneaky ones which drag you dawn to too much blabla and wasted time in talk pages only to impose a similar result in the end.
I have to appreciate the straightness of your removal of the last "uncomfortable" content, which you "based" (that's a manner of speaking) on the fact that "it is not referenced", acting like if {{ Fact}} tags weren't there handy to avoid unilateral removals like yours or like if all similar statements (and quite bolder) throughout this article were referenced unlike that one. You have understood well the 'rationale' (?) behind the previous editions: validly referenced text was frowned upon, changed and de-referenced. And now you finish the job by removing whatever remains on the grounds that is not referenced....chapeau! hats off!
All of a sudden, it's like you shifted (when you saw it fit) from a vague anti-conspiracy sentiment (which is contradictory with wikipedia's WP:NPOV and WP:NOTE policies) back to the zealous wikipedian, which won't do without a referenced text...if the now unreferenced text (from which the anti-conspiracy guys removed the reference in the first place) is contrary to your beliefs, that is to say. In the meantime, the former anti-conspiracy lot are looking the other way already. Heck....it's in between a masterpiece of POV pushing and predictable behaviour!.
I am not familiar with what happened there, but after SqueakBox's additional whitewashing here I'm starting to make my own ideas about why he was blocked for an entire year at José Luís Rodríguez Zapatero...you don't like other users casting shadows on your man, do you?
Anyway, guys, it looks like, after all has been said and done, you won't let wording you dont like in, whether referenced and notable or unreferenced, all on the grounds that it is a conspiracy theory. And you are not interested anymore in an administrator paying a look in here either. In turn, PSOE's (and others's) conspiracy theory (that the government knew it, but lied) is ok for you.
So, it all comes down to you knowing better about what is a gross conspiracy theory (PP's, which is not worth it even mention here, referenced or not) and what is a true and good account of the aftermath (PSOE's).
Interesting.
Enjoy your time here.
Mountolive all over Battersea, some hope and some dispair 20:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
My dispute at Zapatero was political, with a young PP supporter. Actually I like Aznar too, what I do not really like is us blackwashing either side and I think Dunadan's latest edit really helps balance things out here. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
100% agree with you Mountolive - a key part of the article has been intentionally reduced to only the PSOE's version and now the article is clearly biased.
'Although initial suspicions of responsibility for the bombings focused on the Basque group ETA, evidence soon emerged indicating possible Islamist involvement. Because of the proximity of the election, the issue of responsibility quickly became a source of political controversy. The opposition accused the government of attempting to conceal the truth about those responsible'
I certainly agree that we need an admin here to shed some light and to balance this article as the editors are only giving 1 version of what happened (the version they like) and omitting key facts that ultimately had a direct impact on the outcome of the election (and because of its relevance it has to appear here). I am familiar with what happened that night, am a spaniard who lives abroad, didn't vote in 2004 and isn't into politics but I can certainly confirm that the PSOE played a very active role in those 3 days from the 11-14 and that there were SMS been sent to everyone (just as Mountolive detailed). So SqueakBox and David, this is not 1 of the 14 conspiracy theories, it really happened just as Mountolive described and your text needs to be re-written. Having a biased article in the main page of my country isn't acceptable. I urge you to do it. Charlygc ( talk) 22:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
As for the comments addressed to me above, please bear with me with the 'sneaky' reference, for it was probably out of a general frustration with some past outcomes in other articles than with this one or with either Dúnadan, David or Southofwatford. So, if you found this comment out of hand, my apologies: it wasn't really addressed to you guys after all.
As for the bias and insecurities comments, I state my claim, though. Everyone has a bias (me too) and no one should feel offended here in wikipedia if they are reminded of their own bias (unless they feel 'insecure' about having it and showing it ;).
Also agree with keeping a high polite standard here. And that should also include not showing such a thin skin that would twist other user's comments (my own, in this case) to turn them into "personal attacks" just because, for example, I say someone is biased (I have been called "too much biased" and I dont regard it as a "personal attack"). If someone felt any of my comments like a "personal attack", then it's probably himself who should read them again and decide whether that was falls into the category of personal attack or whether they actually overreacted for a moment out of the heated discussion. I apologized for the sneaky reference, for that wasnt fair but a product of the very same heated discussion. Anyone, please feel free to amend yourself if you think that calling my comments "personal attacks" was a bit out of hand, too.
The solution proposed is ok. It would be best to have both sides of the story, but if the choice is having one or none, the latter is best.
After all, there is a main article for further elaboration and, actually, the goal in this Spain article should be better compressing it than expanding existing info. I guess this is what they mean by "less is more". Mountolive all over Battersea, some hope and some dispair 18:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
This article states that spain shares a land border with the "Colony of Gibraltar". Gibraltar is no longer a "Colony", and should more accurately be described as the "British Overseas Territory of Gibraltar" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.120.229.189 ( talk) 17:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I am disagree. Gibraltar is a colony. "British Overseas Territory of Gibraltar" (exhausting to say) is just a circumlocution. Word "Gibraltar" comes from arabian ""Jeb-el-Tarik"...British? I don´t think so...
Gibraltar is not a colony because its inhabitants have decided many times via referendum to be inside the United Kingdom. -- 147.83.137.103 16:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
As of 2007 not only is Gibraltar being considered a colony but also a "Non-self-governing territory" by United Nations UN SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON DECOLONIZATION even if it has conducted an internal referendum. The status of Gibraltar as an English colony comes from the Utretch Treaty of 1713. I think UN is a respectable source of the current state of affairs. Gallando 01:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
This's a burocratic and politic dissimulation similar to the miraculous conversion of the Spanish colonies of the Sahara, Ifni and Equatorial Guinea (then Fernando Poo and Rio Muni) into provinces. I, like Spanish that I am, respect British sovereignty of Gibraltar only and only because that this is the political situation that Gibraltarians want, but not because the UK had historical or political rights. LasMatas01 13:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
"the two owners of spain are emma bruce and jessica tomkinson."
Somebody can explain the first sentence of the article? Thnx. Carlos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.55.245 ( talk) 16:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Spain/Archive 4! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre ( talk) 21:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Using Hispanic to refer to the demonym is inaccurate! The term is used in so many ways, and it almost never refers to just people from spain, but more to a culture related to the spanish language (and one could claim to a lesser extent, portuguese). Why has the article been modified in this respect? The demonym Spaniard and Spanish should be the only ones there! Nahuelmarisi ( talk) 17:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
The demonym should only be Spanish or Spaniard. "Hispanic" is a generalized and incorrect "ethnic" term used only in the United States to identify Spanish language speakers. Moreover, there are many different nationalities/ethnicities within Spain itself, which would not be represented by this incorrect term. Spanish or Spandiard is the overall correct and collective term to identify the different people/nationalities within the Kingdom of Spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.70.230 ( talk) 02:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
23.01.2008 Hello, There is nothing in the Spain article on how is organized the public health system. I have heard that it is managed regionaly, but don't know more on the subject. Could someone give me more information? Thanks! Guilounette —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.157.202.5 ( talk) 10:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Spain is the fourth country by size in Europe, not the second. The order is Russia, Ukraine, France, Spain.
Can someone actualize this information.-- 147.72.234.5 ( talk) 14:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I think Spain economy is understimated in the article. It has been called latrely a success story.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-5461495_ITM
It has already surpass Italy in per capita income and France and Germany are next in line. Chloe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.175.249.250 ( talk) 10:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Agree - The whole economy article is obsolete and needs to be fully updated. It does not mention anything about big Spanish companies and it should. Here's a hint - Santander is the 8th biggest bank in the world, Telefonica the 2nd biggest telecomunication company in the world, Iberdrola is the leading clean (renewal) energy company in the world, Inditex is a world-class fashion company, Spain is home to the biggest construction conglomerates in Europe, etc The list goes on. Someone familiarized with the Spanish economy should update this. Thanks, Charlygc ( talk) 12:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
OK, now Spain is growing slightly faster, but:
No point arguing something that is obvious - when was the last time that you check Eurostat, the IMF, World Bank and CIA figures ranking countries per capita using PPP ? In fact, according to the CIA Spain's GDP per capita in 2007 was 33 600 $ and Italy's GDP per capita stood at 30 900 $.( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita). So you do the maths...
As for your second comment ... According to the 2008 ranking by country (Fortune Global 500) Spain has 11 companies listed there against 10 for Italy. Here let me help you find the link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_Global_500 Charlygc ( talk) 13:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Traditionally, and in reference to its form of government, Spain is called "Reino de España" both in an outside Spain. However, I cannot find any legal document that specifies this denomination as official. "Reino de España" does not appear anywhere in the constitution [1] (the term Estado español appears numerous times, whereas the term Nación española only occasionally). Not even, as it is usual in passports, does the name appear as such in the Spanish passport [2]. I have found some international agreement that use the term "Reino de España" [3] (Usage is one thing, official declaration of the toponymy is another thing). The question, open to discussion is, what constitutes an official denomination? If the denomination is not used in the constitution of the country, is it "official"? -- the Dúnadan 00:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Absolutly official! [4].
One is the conventional short form (name of the country), the other one is the conventional long form ( Form of government of the country). "La denominación correspondiente a la forma o modelo de gobierno suele incluso incorporarse al nombre o denominación oficial del estado, por ejemplo: República Argentina, Estados Unidos Mexicanos, Reino de España, Federación Rusa o Gran Jamahiriya Árabe Libia Popular y Socialista. Sólo hay dieciocho países que no lo hacen así, por ejemplo: Jamaica, mientras que once sólo indican que son "estados". La forma más común es "república", con 132 casos de muy distinto tipo. Las monarquías son 33 (18 de ellas "reinos")(es-wiki)".
The European Union states [5]:
The long form (official title) is used when the State is targeted as a legal entity:
"This Decision is addressed to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". "The French Republic is authorised to ..."
NB:If the recurrence of the name of a State in the text leads to a preference for using the short form, it can be introduced with the phrase ‘hereinafter referred to as ...’.
"Workers residing in France". "Exports from Greece ..."
So, may I end up saying that it is all about good and old protocol. Cheers. -- MauritiusXXVII (Aut Doce, Aut Disce, Aut Discede!) 13:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
a) Under the summary of Spain's history, the link on 'Muslim rulers' leads to a disambiguation page. In any case, a link for 'Muslim rulers' is a bit vague and random considering that there have been thousands of Muslim rulers. So maybe the link should be removed or replaced with something a more relevant; for example, the Abbasids. or whatever!
b) is this page locked, because it doesn't have an 'edit this page' or a lock in the corner —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shj95 ( talk • contribs) 13:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
The following sentence 'As of 2006, absolute GDP was valued at $1.084 trillion according to the CIA Factbook' is taking out of context and gives an outsider the idea that Spain is a poor or small country. Just because CIA do not update their data (they still maintain that Spanish' GDP per capita is 80% of the 4 largest European nations when according to Eurostat it has already surpassed Italy's GDP per capita in 2006) does not mean wiki shouldn't. Spain's GDP for 2006 was confirmed by the IMF, Eurostat and the Spanish authorities to be 980 BILLIONS OF EUROS. With a Euro at about 1.45 dollars over the last number months in 2007 it is clear that this section needs to be updated. Please do so. Charlygc ( talk) 11:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
CIA has just updated their data with the 2007 figures - gives Spain an absolute GDP of $1.365 trillion and a per capita of $33.700. According to them France has 33.800 per capita (just like Japan) and Italy $31.000. So I suggest someone updates the whole economy section which hasn't been changed for years and it is clearly out-of-date. Thanks. Charlygc ( talk) 11:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The damn page is locked but it lists a gpd off by a factor of 1000. The , should be changed to a . Spain has a gdp less than two trillion, not greater than one thousand trillion. For comparison, the USA page lists USA's GDP as $14.334 trillion. Spain is listed as $1,365 trillion Perhaps we have a problem with , vs . for marking decimals? I don't know but I think it should be changed immediately. Thisdude415 ( talk) 10:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Get your mathematics right at the third attempt or stand condemned as a bunch of wasters. 46 million population times PPP of EUR 30 thousand gives a GDP of around 1 million million, as an order of magnitude. You currently state that it is a thousand times that in the sidebar, and a million times that in the text, in other words something like 26 times the entire world economy, or roughly the entire production of the whole world since the start of human civilisation. In one year. And there's eight larger still. Gawd help us all, either you took the decimal point the wrong way or it's no wonder the environment's muldered. The figure in both instances should be 1.4 trillion, plus or minus as styatistics are updated. In addition, it's a breach of NPOV to state that Spain's the third-largest investor overseas on such a weak study as this, by a relatively unknown Spanish lawyer. It may be on the basis on one year when everyone else was headed into recession, it's not representative of the whole. He's not got a Doctorate, let alone a Professorship, he's only been an occasional lecturer in one university, and the last organisation he ran, Mullerat, was wound up on his watch. Rahere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.65.210.2 ( talk) 23:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The turism figures for 2007 have just been released - Spain received 60 M visitors that spent 46 Billion Euros. That places 2nd in the world only behind France in number of visitors and in terms of revenue (only behind the States). Please include this there. Charlygc ( talk) 11:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The .cat domain is also used in the Autonomous Comunity of Balearic Islands, because it is a language domain (not means "catalonia" but "catalan").-- 83.33.229.55 ( talk) 13:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
In the article "International rankings" of Spain says that "Nation Master's list by economic importance: Rank 9 of 25 countries, only surpassed by G-8 members". Actually Spain is the 8th in this ranking, over Canada. The G-8 doesn't exist, they are the G-7 plus Russia, that it is in the eleventh position in the ranking and only go to the G-7 like observer for their global importance. LasMatas01 14:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
POPULATION & RELIGION
It is mathematically impossible for all three of these statements from the article on Spain to be true simultaneously:
In 2007 Spain officially reached 45.2 million people
About 76% of Spaniards identify themselves as Catholics, about 2% identify with another religious faith,
The recent waves of immigration have led to an increasing number of Muslims, who have about 1 million members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.66.169.240 ( talk) 06:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
And 22% don't declare religious belief. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.202.61 ( talk) 07:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
NEW INFORMATION Andalucía 8.039.399 Cataluña 7.197.174 Comunidad de Madrid 6.061.680 Comunidad Valenciana 4.874.811 Galicia 2.771.341 Castilla y León 2.525.157 P.Vasco 2.141.116 Islas Canarias 2.020.947 Castilla La Mancha 1.975.179 Región de Murcia 1.391.147 Aragón 1.295.215 Extremadura 1.088.728 Principado de Asturias 1.074.632 Islas Baleares 1.029.139 Comunidad Foral de Navarra 605.022 Cantabria 572.503 La Rioja 308.566 Ceuta 76.343 Melilla 68.795 TOTAL: 45.116.894
According to the article in Spanish Wikipedia, the population of Spain is nearly 45 millions based in Spanish Government's 2006 census. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.1.172 ( talk) 16:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
It states in the article; Reporters Without Borders world-wide press freedom index 2002: Rank 40 out of 139 countries.[79]
That might be correct, but in the 2007 survey Spain is ranked 33 out of 169 countries. link: http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025
I cant edit the article, so if some of you would be so kind to make an update I would greatly appreciate it! Pereli ( talk) 08:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Firstly jews have always been a part of Spain as said our spanish king [7] Jews are not nostalgia in spain . Additional Jewish emigration to Spain in more recent times is primarily the result of four events: after the 19th century, some Jews established themselves in Spain as a result of migration from what was formerly Spanish Morocco, the flight of Jews escaping from Nazi repression, immigration from Argentina. Spanish law allows Sephardi Jews to claim Spanish citizenship.Finally Spain is seen by northern european community members as a retirement place and as a warm place to raise young families. Many thousands of families have immigrated from the north to southern spain(murcia) and among these thousands have been hundreds of jewish families ..to retire and or to raise children. This is a modern phenomenon and is seen in murcia spain in both polaris world and trampolin hills. [8] you accept expelling jews converting jews but not killing the jews while in fact almost 100000 jews were killed in those days. raquel samper comunidadjudia murcia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.38.17.233 ( talk) 21:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Under economy " ... an education system which OECD reports place among the poorest for developed countries, together with the United States and UK.[54]" I wonder if the comparisons are very sensible. The UK page reports the UK's education system as being the 14th best in the world, well above the average for the OECD. My knowledge of international comparisons (the PISA studies for example) tends to show the UK as doing rather well - at least as well as the average of the obvious comparison countries, Germany, France, Italy. The source cited here does not support the claim either. It would be inclined to scrap the comparison, unless someone knows of information that I don't. 89.49.213.51 ( talk) 23:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The Jewish Community, madrid toledo barcelona murcia accounts for less than 1 percent of total population.however it is the third fastest growing after africans and british. Spain is the retirement capitol of the EC nowadays and many jews from the north are moving here to retire or raise kids. synagoges centers even schools are opening. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.121.4.98 ( talk) 21:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Jews never part of nostalgia in Spain have always been in Spain and are as Spanish as catholics. The Jewish population is around 35,000.Your article talks about jews as different ,not normal spain people ,immigrants who entered long ago to mix-in with regular real spanish blood.This is a common thread mistake in most wikipedia articles. The Federation of Israelite Communities of Spain currently consists of thirteen traditional and Orthodox communities, the largest of which are located in Madrid, Barcelona and on the Costa del Sol (Málaga) and in Murcia. There are also groups of Conservative Jews and associations of secular Jews. In Barcelona, a Reform community, the Progressive Jewish Community Atid (Future) of Catalonia, is active.Today many jews move to Spain to retire from the colder northern community countries or come to spain to raise children.Polaris World and Tramplin Hills in Murcia are examples of such communities with growing Jewish population. raquel samper directora comunidadjudia murcia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewish spain ( talk • contribs) 09:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Jews never part of nostalgia in Spain have always been in Spain and are as Spanish as catholics.Jews are a minority but not immigrants,as indians are a minority in the usa but not immigrants. The Jewish population is around 35,000.Your article talks about jews as different ,not regular spain people ,immigrants who entered so long ago to mix-in with regular real spanish blood.This is a common thread mistake . The Federation of Israelite Communities of Spain currently consists of thirteen traditional and Orthodox communities, the largest of which are located in Madrid, Barcelona and on the Costa del Sol (Málaga) and in Murcia. There are also groups of Conservative Jews and associations of secular Jews. In Barcelona, a Reform community, the Progressive Jewish Community Atid (Future) of Catalonia, is active.Today many jews move to Spain to retire from the colder northern community countries or come to spain to raise children.Polaris World and Tramplin Hills in Murcia are examples of such communities with growing Jewish population. raquel samper directora comunidadjudia murcia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewish spain ( talk • contribs) 09:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Spanish is the only official language of the country according to the 1978 constitution. The other languages are only co-official in their respective communities. Why has the article been changed? there was a reference to this before (reference is still on main page as number 2 actually) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.128.6 ( talk) 11:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
http://vector-images.com/image.php?epsid=422 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.243.63.194 ( talk) 17:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Under the Politics heading, the article says "President of the Government: José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, elected 14 March 2004." Under the picture of (what I assume is) him, caption says "José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, Prime Minister of Spain." So what is he? Is he a president or is he a prime minister? I'd really like to know, and I'm sure others would, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JDCAce ( talk • contribs) 10:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Of course, Prime Minister is an anglo-centric term. It's used here for letting know the real meaning of the term "Presidente del Gobierno" as it's not a President of a Republic, and, therefore, head of state. There is not a prime minister in spain, as there's no government president (afaik) in the UK.
-- Repking ( talk) 23:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The article mentions the 9th potision in the economy section for the Spanish economy.In fact, according to the International Monetary Fundand and the CIA Fact Book, it is the 8th in 2007, over Canada. Only the World Bank places it 9th below Canada in 2006, so the 8th position shoudl be stated, rather than the 9th. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 Jan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.175.249.250 ( talk) 10:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi evreybody. I would to know what is really the position to spain in the global economic world, because, in the top of the article, says that spain is the eight economy in the world, but, in the section named economy of spain says that the position is 9th... then... Wich is the correct sentence? thanks and sorry by my poor english lol, ciao! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.27.17.46 ( talk) 18:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Look at the section above. It is the 8th according to 2007 estimates at Current Exchange Rates. It should corrected to 8th in all cases. Jan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.175.249.250 ( talk) 11:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I know Aranese has the status of being co-official in Catalonia... But does it have the same status status of recognized language nationwide? I've never heard of the spanish parliament giving it to this language. If so, Aranese should be erased from this section in "Spain"'s article.
As far as I'm concerned, in the eyes of the Spanish government, Aranese is not (much) different from, let's say, Asturian, which also has some kind of protection under the Asturian Autonomous Statute legislation.
Anyone has a clue? -- MauritiusXXVII (Aut Doce, Aut Disce, Aut Discede!) 12:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I am an editor busy on the Germany article. There, we recently had the discussion on whether to use the orange or the green map. Most contributors simply like the style of the orange version more and so it will (for the time being) remain our type of locator map. However, to me it was very surprising to find out that more EU countries (the ratio is 2:1) actually use the green version. So, I was wondering whether this is done on purpose, because you prefer the green version? Or would you like to change? Tomeasy talk 15:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)