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TinucherianBot (
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12:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Question about Il talismano
I read the article about
Il talismano della felicità and it says the english version included some obbligatory American recipes for the American audience. I wonder whether the Italian version had a recipe for spaghetti and meatballs. If not, the Americanized version of the book can hardly be used to back up the claim of authenticity.
72.78.15.183 (
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02:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)reply
In brief
As summarized by The Atlantic, spaghetti with meatballs is an Americanized dish
Where the original Italian/Campanian recipe have small amounts of meat as flavoring for the sauce, with meat eventually served later as second dish, the American version has substantially larger meatballs and is meant to be a single course
In other words, in the American version, pasta can be seen as a side for the meatballs, in the Italian recipes pasta is the core of the dish and meat is just an ingredient of the sauce
Since my edits are being blocked, I leave this here for anyone who want to implement it. Have a nice day!
For whatever reasons, what became Italian-American cuisine started with a base of Campanian food, minus many kinds of vegetables and cheeses and plus a lot of meat. Thus the rise of spaghetti and meatballs, a dish unknown in Italy. It probably had its origin in several baked Neapolitan pasta dishes, served at religious festivals such as Carnival and Christmas, that used meatballs no bigger than walnuts and also called for such ingredients as ham and boiled eggs. Thus, too, the rise of the lavish portions and the reliance on garlic, hot pepper flakes, and oregano, seasonings that seemed to become more and more prominent as the immigrants were assimilated into American culture. Levenstein and Conlin point out that Italian-Americans embraced enthusiastically the Americanized version of their food, and went on thinking of it as just like the food in the old country.
Yup, there's also "spaghetti bolognese" which is basically the equivalent of "spaghetti with meatballs" in most European countries (other than Italy, of course). "Spaghetti bolognese" actually somewhat resembles
ragù alla napoletana and it usually contains minced beef, tomato sauce, onions, garlic, carrots, herbs and sometimes cream. It is served with spaghetti and parmesan/grana padano cheese.
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21:00, 2 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Oppose I'd have to see some non anecdotal proof. I've heard it called "spaghetti with meatballs" before, usually when it's on a menu or package - the "and" is typically used only in common speech.ZXCVBNM (
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Vaselineeeeeeee: The nom was a mere anecdotal "I have never heard of..." statement so I provided some evidence to refute it. Hallmark Channel is, I believe, a US source, and it's not hard to find more; in fact, here's a few:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5]. If you wish to make a case for "and" being more common than "with" then be my guest, but the current title is not incorrect or broken.
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13:12, 31 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Strongly support No need for anecdotal evidence: Google nGrams clearly shows that "and" has always been far more frequent than "with" in both US and UK English:
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13:40, 31 July 2019 (UTC)reply
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Come on, this is just arguing, not writing encyclopedic texts
80% of the article is about dishes that are not spaghetti and meatballs, which is really weird. I mean, most of the article is not encyclopedic, but just a desperate argument for the idea that spaghetti and meatballs is an Italian dish, even though nobody's ever seen it in a restaurant in Italy! Sorry guys, but why can't you be proud of the dish as an American specialty, instead of trying desperately to persuade the world it is Italian when it's clearly not? It's really an unusual lack of self-confidence to come from the Americans... ;-) — Preceding
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158.194.47.42 (
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15:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I like Americans, but what you wrote is absolutely right; trying to prove to the whole world that an Italian-American food is Italian isn't only wrong, but also shows insecurity in oneself.
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08:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)reply