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The first paragraph talks more about the Soviet-Japanese conflict, than the subject of the article. Why? -- illythr ( talk) 19:00, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
From the perspective of modern science, we can justly say that the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was a criminal organization as defined by the new International Military Tribunal (IMT) category of wartime criminality. As far as its ideological basis prior to the invasion of Poland the campaign of murder and mass persecution of targeted groups across continents was inspired by a piece of writing almost as vile as the Mein Kampf itself, called the Communist Manifesto. Here's where that one characteristic stands out among the invaders.
The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie ... up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution, and where the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, lays the foundation for the sway of the proletariat. And here it becomes evident, that the bourgeoisie is unfit any longer to be the ruling class in society, and to impose its conditions of existence upon society as an over-riding law. It is unfit to rule, because it is incompetent to assure an existence to its slave within his slavery, because it cannot help letting him sink into such a state that it has to feed him, instead of being fed by him. Society can no longer live under this bourgeoisie, in other words, its existence is no longer compatible with society.
Wikisource. Poeticbent talk 22:14, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
– viaEdward Rydz-Śmigły left Poland on 18 September and lost any inluence. Xx234 ( talk) 10:39, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
The Soviet invasion was an invasion of Ukraine and Belarus. These regions had been taken bu the Poles in 1923. Neither one of these territories are, nor were, considered polish by other nations. They were considered occupied. That is also why Britain and France did not declare war against the Soviet union får the occupation. Shouldn't this be stated in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.241.121 ( talk) 10:39, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
The Western powers new nothing about the existence of the secret Nazi Soviet Pact which was denied by the Soviet government until 1989. Stalin insisted that the Red Army troops were transiting through the territory of Poland in order to fight Hitler ... it was one of the biggest deceptions of the 20th century. Prior to World War II, Poland and Soviet Russia maintained peace by agreeing to abandon all rights and claims to the territories of their respective borderlands (paragraph 3 of the Treaty of Riga). Poeticbent talk 14:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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The usual refrain that M-vR secret protocols defined the terms for a "joint invasion" of Poland is false. Nowdays the document "is in the public domain", you can read it and I'm afraid you'll find not even a single word about any invasion by either part. One could eventually say that historian xyz says that soviets and nazis agreed to invade Poland when preparing the treaty. Still, saying that the pact envisaged such invasion is reading between the line, which is not what wikipedia should do. Also "joint invasion" maybe deserves a closer look: what exactly is a "joint invasion"?, in particular: does the mere simultaneous presence of two armies on the territory of another state imply ipso facto a joint invasion of that state? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.88.210.77 ( talk) 17:52, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
"The joint German-Soviet invasion of Poland was secretly agreed to following the signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact on 23 August 1939" has a single citation pointing to the text of the pact, which plainly does not consist of an agreement to invade. Zetaeta ( talk) 23:10, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Adding on to this because it seems the correct discussion. As of my reading it the article contained: "The pact also provided designs for the Soviet participation in the invasion,[25] that included the opportunity to regain territories ceded to Poland in the Peace of Riga of 1921.". The latter half about the peace of Riga is entirely uncited, but the former part about designs for soviet participation, while having a citation, it refers to Davies 1996 p.440; which is about medieval fortifications, clearly a miscitation. The source starts on the invasion of Poland at page 996 (I have corrected another citation in the article here to refer to page 1001). I can find nothing in the source suggesting the pact provided designs for an invasion, the source even seems to imply the contrary ("[The Soviet union,] Declining any joint timetable with the Germans [...]") FireCrack ( talk) 21:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
"An agreement at the Yalta Conference permitted the Soviet Union to annex almost all of their Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact portion of the Second Polish Republic"...
I suggest replacing word "ANNEX" with the word "received".
Or do you want to cast a shadow on all the participants of the Yalta Conference: the USA, the UK and others? Lol)))
176.14.208.239 (
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17:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
That implies Fall Weiss was a joint invasion which is obviously not true. Fall Weiss was an exclusively German plan, and the USSR was not informed about its details (even about the start date). In 8 September, Ribbentrop send a telegram to Stalin where he was asking what the Soviet plan to do with "their" part of Poland. That means no previous agreement existed on that account. Ribbentrop was event threatening that if the USSR would not take Eastern Poland under its control, Germany would have to do that by itself. All of that was a demonstration that no joint invasion occurred. Jack90s15 ( talk) 06:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
The Polish armed forces hoped to hold out long enough so that an offensive could be mounted against Germany in the west, but on September 17 Soviet forces invaded from the east and all hope was lost. The next day, Poland’s government and military leaders fled the country. On September 28, the Warsaw garrison finally surrendered to a relentless German siege. That day, Germany and the USSR concluded an agreement outlining their zones of occupation. For the fourth time in its history, Poland was partitioned by its more powerful neighbors
Jack90s15 (
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06:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/germans-invade-poland
@ Incnis Mrsi: - a diplomatic note by a Soviet official in Pravda may or may not be reliable (I would think not, and definitely a PRIMARY source as opposed to secondary analysis)... However www.electronicmuseum.ca is most certainly not a RS. This is a blog that currently advertises legal services. I left the text of the note in place - and just placed a cn tag. If this note os significant (and DUE) - surely it is repeated in a reliable secondary academic sources? Tomes have been written on the subject of this article - a reasonable source should be available. Icewhiz ( talk) 17:39, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
In fact, I confused two notes of 1939 and 1943, hence my edit was totally screwed up. Possibly I have been in a mood inappropriate to edit Wikipedia. My apologies to Icewhiz. Incnis Mrsi ( talk) 06:50, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Here is his article: https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html#The%20Question%20of%20the%20State%20in%20International%20Law
In short, I believe, the USSR didn't invade Poland because there was no Poland to invade. Its government fled the country, constituting Polish ground as "free land" under international law. Echaskaris ( talk) 08:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
The Soviets invaded Poland on the morning of September 17, and the Polish government fled the country on the night of September 17-18. Poland's administration was still intact across the unoccupied parts of the country, and its army was still fighting. In fact it fought several battles against the Soviets, including
one where the latter openly fought alongside the Germans. Despite being on the defeat in September 1939, Poland still legally existed as a country throughout the war, so your assertion makes every bit as much sense as claiming that Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc. legally ceased to exist as their governments were in exile.
Grover Furr is not a respected historian: he's a professor of medieval English with no credentials in 20th century history. His work is not subject to academic peer review nor taken seriously by any mainstream historical authorities. ImperatorPublius ( talk) 02:07, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Russia's foreign ministry put out a statement on 17 September 2019, the anniversary of the invasion, claiming that the Soviet Union never invaded Poland. [1] I think this should be considered for addition to the end of the Communist and later censorship section, given that it was a statement given out by the Russian foreign ministry. Dmac2619 ( talk) 20:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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I think the page, along with Slovak invasion of Poland, should be merged with Invasion of Poland, since the three countries invaded the aforementioned country within a short period of each other, and Germany and the Soviet Union divided up Poland as part of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. VivaBlondie2000 ( talk) 03:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
The arguments given by the Soviets on the referring to the lack of existence of the Polish state were considered valid at the time, the Polish had used the same justification the year prior to annex and occupy Czechoslovak territory as well as skirmish with Czechoslovak forces. The Poles have rewritten the narrative of their own aggressive expansion before WW2 making themselves seem victims of aggression despite fighting many wars of aggression and territorial expansion. The Polish capital had fallen, the government fled the country disbanding the Polish state, nullifying international commitments to Poland and leaving free real estate. The Poles never even surrendered because there was no government to surrender. Merge-Merge with Invasion of Poland with Soviet occupation of Poland rather than invasion Rename and reformat-Rename to Soviet occupation of Poland and change or remove titles Remove-Misleading article with clear anti communist bias with very little substance in the "communist and later censorship" — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnonApril2020 ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 31 August 2020 (UTC)