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This article needs to reflect the 2008 election to be accurate. The material has a valid source.-- Parkwells ( talk) 01:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
This material should appear in the article, as the 2008 election reflects on whether Southernization continues. It has a valid source. "What may have ended on Election Day, though, is the centrality of the South to national politics. By voting so emphatically for Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama — supporting him in some areas in even greater numbers than they did President Bush — voters from Texas to South Carolina and Kentucky may have marginalized their region for some time to come, political experts say." Given the results of the 2008 presidential election, it appears that the Republican Party has become marginalized as a regional party of southern people. The Southern strategy of the Republican Party has been surpassed by its failures and by changing demographics. [1]-- Parkwells ( talk) 22:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Not only this is a political term, southernization describes an America has adapted to typical Southern cultural traits or "middle American"/lower-class features of American life: large-scale poverty/economic gaps, low access to free health care, declined job market with mainly minimum-wage jobs, the presence of wal-marts and strip mall shopping centers, and ethnic enclavism between "non whites" such as Blacks or Hispanics from that of mostly "white" communities. What about other once-isolated regional phenomenons? "Californication" is one about America adapted to anything that originated in California, usually associated with the Liberal and Progressive movements and the US Democratic party (see also San Francisco values) and "Europeanization" of America with social or cultural traits found in Europe: increased ethnic fraction, heightened government involvement in security, economic instability or the sense of prosperity is disappearing, even the popularity of European music and cuisine, and calls for health care reform or less border patrols between nations. This is also seen as a Liberal-Socialist poltiical trend in the USA, both viewed as influences of Barak Obama and Nancy Pelosi. I doubt you'll see fung-shei architecture in Iowa (oh yeah, there's a Vedic learning center-community there) and high-speed rail train networks (the ACELA in the Northeast corridor runs between Boston and Washington DC) anywhere soon, although there's a sense of America is becoming a "third world/neo-colony" nation (examples are multicultural immigrant-majority urban areas) or alike the former Soviet bloc: a "rust belt" entirely deindustrialized, the working-class demoralized and have to move to the conservative right, and the appeal of political right-wing extremism like in Russia under the Putin presidency. America isn't only Southernized nor Californicated, we just been Europeanized or joined the third world. + 71.102.2.206 ( talk) 07:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree the section on the '08 election needs to be kept, but the last sentence is spelled incorrectly, gramatically incorrect, unsourced and, frankly, redundant. I'm deleting it. -- Nosimplehiway ( talk) 13:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
References
As a caveat to the things I've added in the further reading section, they aren't necessarily the most neutral (Dixie Rising) or up-to-date (The Americanization of Dixie), but I added them because I thought it was odd that this article had been nominated for deletion. Those wishing to learn more about this subject should probably pick up Carter's From George Wallace to Newt Gingrich. He wrote this as a follow-up to his biography of George Wallace, which had included a chapter called "Richard Nixon, George Wallace, and the Southernization of American Politics". I would also recommend, as an overview and introduction to the concept, a chapter from The Cambridge Companion to Modern American Culture, which contains a brief overview of various theories. Recognizance ( talk) 18:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I would argue that the "Southernization" also includes culture/language. Iced tea is now a staple in the north. Southern expressions such as "yawl" are now widely used throughout the country. ColDickPeters ( talk) 15:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Southernization (U.S.) →
Southernization – Latter redirects to former, so dab is unnecessary. —
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Made neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.255.227 ( talk) 06:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I recently reverted an edit. I would like to justify this. In the text the only reference for the "Some commentators said that Southern values seemed increasingly important in national elections through the early 21st century." is a Newsweek article. I've offered a review of an academically published book and an article published in a peer reviewed journal as counter points. I don't think it is fair to claim the view I offered was a minority view or one without weight. Getoverpops ( talk) 14:06, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Would not dispute resolution be the correct place to talk about this particular claim? Regardless, can you justify that the references I've added are actually not related to THIS article?
Getoverpops (
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23:52, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I’m adding a see also link to the 1619 Project because that seems like another example of this phenomenon, namely, reframing US history with (Southern) slavery at the center of the narrative. Feel free to delete it if it doesn’t seem closely related enough to the rest of you. 2604:2D80:6986:4000:0:0:0:6CC0 ( talk) 23:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
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