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I added citation for the release date (which was actually a day later than written) and up all other uncited information as best I could. If there's anything else you guys arn't sure about, stick a {{fact}} on it and I'll try my best to clear it up. -- Khuskan 18:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
It must be noted that the 2.0 format is jlf's format.
Guys, I'm really trying to keep this article as non-bias as possible. I know that there are two sides of looking at the whole NF/SF fight, and that it is hard to find any middle ground. But please don't just say "jlf was a jerk, nick is right, here's why" or vice versa. Anything that there is disagreement about should be labeled as "controversial", because it is, and this allows you to then describe both side's view of the matter.
Acutally, Knifa is a personal friend of mine! -- Saint-Paddy 10:35, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Same as, i went to a lan party with him and a few of our close friends, stayed at his house as well, more mature than you might think. DreamEater
Why are we up for deletion? You seem to be going around putting all HL2 mods on your list, is there something wrong with a mod article?
I've tagged large sections of the article with "unreferenced" or "fact" tags. Don't see it as an attack, this page just needs to be way more encyclopedic. The both history sections reek of WP:OR, but I gave it the benefit of the doubt by tagging instead of deleting. I've also removed a part that gives advice to new players to read up on something (can't remember what exactly) and points to the SourceForts forums. Please remember WP:NOT, among other things, it is not a game guide and not a newssite. -- Sirius81 17:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've expanded the gameplay section somewhat, I found it odd there was barely a description of gameplay at all, which is the most important thing for a mod, especially this one that used essentially all HL2DM art. The prose is still quite ugly and it contains a list of classes, I'll try to improve that some more. English is not my native language though, so bear with me :) -- Sirius81 | Talk 17:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I've rewritten large parts of the article, linked lots of things etc. ANY OTHER MAJOR CHANGES OR REVERTS OF MY MATERIAL SHOULD BE DISCUSSED HERE FIRST. Please do not randomly dissect the article without prior discussion - I am hoping to raise this to featured status. — Vanderdecken∴ ∫ ξ φ 21:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Any screenshots of SourceForts on this article are no longer {{ Non-free game screenshot}}, now as per this forum post in this thread by Taylor Stieff, head developer, they qualify as GFDL 1.2 or later. All screenshots of SourceForts should therefore be tagged and licensed as below:
=== Licensing === {{GFDL}} Released by GFDL license readable at [http://www.sourcefortsmod.com/boards/showpost.php?p=125931&postcount=1 this page].
A copy of the email conversation that prompted the thread has been sent to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org, and is available on request. Thanks. — Vanderdecken∴ ∫ ξ φ 20:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not familiar enough to tell you what is or isn't most important, but this article has too much about dev team resignations etc. that simply isn't useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.137.110.134 ( talk) 15:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it is just a load of bickering by and about a bunch of sexual inadequates rather than a Wiki article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.195.173 ( talk) 05:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Y’all this was literally the most important part of the article. This was a community driven and developed game, hence the community being a big part. — Preceding
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I removed the list of maps and classes in the mod. They don't contribute to the article and only serve to make this article seem like a game guide. Eik Corell ( talk) 13:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Wow. The original team certainly didn't leave the project in very good hands. 3 years of bickering and the end result is absolutely nothing. 88.14.36.64 ( talk) 23:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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Okay, let's talk about every new update to the page like what I've read about on how it should be. I want to make this page 100% factual. The links in dispute have been added to all official channels that have been considered valid. The Moddb has links to all issues discussed in the edit history.
If you have not played this free game, play it before editing information that is common knowledge to a day 0 player. This game is a Capture the Flag game. There is 2 teams, red and blue, both have flags. The only image on this site even shows the flag.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick12506 ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
You skipped the part in which I said this is a CTF genre game. /info/en/?search=Capture_the_flag#Software_and_games Nick12506 ( talk) 16:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
ferret, I believe your edit of the external links was misinformed.
These are the links that I believe should be on the site. I've skimmed the rules regarding external links and with such a case as this in when every other form of article on an subject is lost to time, the only links that can be provided should be. The wiki speaks of exceptions for certain situation and I believe these links fall under such exceptions.
Please discuss this. Nick12506 ( talk) 03:07, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
ferret I've looked into the rules I believe that because of the limited information and the limited available sources for this topic that we must allow the other 2 links. This game has had its online presence pretty much erased from the flow of time and the only way we can begin to make this article wikipedia worthy is by including those 2 links. I read a bunch on the rules and the exception clause shows that this is a outlier case.. The title of the rule you've quoted is "Links normally" this is by far the farest we can get from normal case and I believe its covered by the exceptions to allow the 3 links.
Nick12506 ( talk) 05:15, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Nick12506 (
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16:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
It was me, I asked for help and you start talking about deleted a decade old page. What type of person are you, I can not express my disgust that you would follow someone looking for help and then try to destroy what they hold dearest. Neither of you have yet joined any groups relating to this game, showing that you would rather delete a page then do a little bit of research. The game at one point was at the top 10 games on Steam in terms of active players. Go look up the historical records of Steam game ranks instead of talking about deleting a page that you're in no way helping and at the same time destroying the quality of Wikipedia through sheer ignorance and refusal to do your homework. How can a game that was ranked in the top 10 games of Steam, the largest game distributor in the world, not be notable? The game has 900+ user made maps that can be located on Moddb, how can something not noteworthy have that much content?
I will gladly upload my entire archive of the game, it is 190GB, I can trim it down to 40gb~ if you want just the website data archive, I can send you it via FTP or any other method you'd like.
I would have a far larger archive, but when Megauploaders died, it pretty much caused every project for the game prior to it's deletion to be wiped given it was the main file transfer service the game used. Then the backup, FileFront started removing downloads that were past a certain age, it caused a 2nd major lose in the community aspect of the game. I still actively look for anything relating to the game because of these events. When years of work is deleted in a instant, people drop from the community.
On a side note, I did pull up the exact page of the magazine because it came up in the discord chat. So I might as well post in it this talk page.
Nick12506 ( talk) 16:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, hey on a related note ferret ( talk)Ferret. I really do archive the game and since the game has downloadable content per server operators configuration, each instance of past SourceFort installations are unique. I have been searching for new files to archive and the search is pretty scarce, do you still have your server files or original sourcemod folder of SourceForts? I am extremely interested in obtaining any source/metamod plugins, maps, models, materials, and the sound folders of each. It does make me more trusting of you knowing that you've been with the community before instead of someone from the help section that I posted on just suggesting to delete the page.
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so we must include SourceForts. The burden to find correct sources is on all of us to make sure this site stays true to its goal.
Relating to the trailer, how can I use steam as a source for such and how can I source defunct websites that I have archived on my LAN?
For most of SourceForts life, I was a player. Up until Valve broke the game with the source base update I was just doing what you did. Then we had to work together as the community shrank from the lack of a playable game to release one. Now with credits in the latest patch I can not update this page. What can we do about situation that would improve this article. What do you believe this articles missing so that I can help to obtain proper sources for such information. Nick12506 ( talk) 19:37, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Capture_the_flag#Software_and_games
Multiple games that fall under the genre Capture the Flag.
Last sentence even reiterates that it's a genre.
Nick12506 ( talk) 16:42, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
On top of this, shouldn't we add this game to the action genre? It did win the Moddb player choice award for the action genre. /info/en/?search=Mod_DB#Mod_of_the_Year Player's Choice By genre Action: SourceForts
Then, since this game has 2 rounds, building and combat. Shouldn't we also make this a strategy game, given the base building aspect of the game?
Nick12506 (
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19:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Video Source of game, production of Half Life Fanboy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml_p_WXmcDc
SourceForts was one of the original games to be initially added to Steam not produced by Valve on August 4, 2006, here is the link to the Steam trailer that was included on the page. https://steamdb.info/app/928/
SourceForts Interview https://web.archive.org/web/20061109103544/http://dx.ampednews.com/?page=articles&id=9830
German Review: https://web.archive.org/web/20070216044136/http://www.giga.de/tv/gigagamesmaxx/00133546_capture_the_flag_die_siedler/
Planethalflife Review: Source Forts : https://web.archive.org/web/20110711071737/http://planethalflife.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Reviews.Detail&id=13
Partial Interview from defunct invert-on.com https://n4g.com/news/1132522/interview-sourceforts-2-invert-on
I work for a living, m-s 9-5
I'll get more sources later. Nick12506 ( talk) 17:00, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Also, we should make the genre Action, given this ...
/info/en/?search=Mod_DB#Mod_of_the_Year Player's Choice 2006, By genre, Action: SourceForts Nick12506 ( talk) 17:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't we also add the mod of the year ModDB award? Nick12506 ( talk) 19:46, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Link_rot
Someone's going to need to go through the past edits and add them back in since a few of the change log has edit details saying the information was removed because of dead links. While protocol says to leave them up and to throw up an label on it instead.
Example is on
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=SourceForts&diff=400276806&oldid=395303190, it has around 30 sources.
Nick12506 (
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01:21, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I struggle to understand what harm this article had been doing for the last 15 years that warrants removing content from an encyclopaedia. It's clearly not original research, and included several references to secondary sources that establish notability in the article - with more out there if anyone bothered to look. How is Wikipedia enriched by not having this in it? — Vanderdecken∴ ∫ ξ φ 19:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Ya, someone skipped the vote.. ....
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If gmod and other source mods qualify trying ti sugfest SF doesnt is bad and double standards. Yall cant go around deleting decade old that have been declared not allowed to be deleted by the past vote just because yall dont wanna google Nick12506 ( talk) 01:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks guys, breaking a decade old wikipedia page, super classy, can someone upload the lateat logo? Its inckuded in the latest release of the game Nick12506 ( talk) 01:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)