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Hi there - I would like to propose a rewrite of the introduction section which introduces the Soil Association. At the moment, the intro does not differentiate between Soil Association (the charity) and Soil Association Certification (the wholly-owned, not-for-profit subsidiary of the Soil Association charity) which is responsible for the certification of organic products. The charity and certification business have quite different aims and objectives. How would fellow wikipedians feel about two different articles, one for the charity, one for the certification business? Roxy the sceptical dog. wooF - seeking your advice on this before proposing redraft of the introduction section on this article. Worth saying at this point that there are many sections on this article that I would like to update, but as per your advice, I will take it one section at a time for ease and to make sure we get it right. Thanks in advance DanMor0806 ( talk) 10:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi Roxy the sceptical dog. wooF. I'm sorry - that's my fault - no disrespect intended. A few people left my team and resource became an issue. I will get working on a revised draft as soon as possible and send something over here. If you are still willing to help I would really appreciate it. Thanks again DanMor0806 ( talk) 11:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi Roxy the sceptical dog. wooF. Here we go - as promised, the first section of this page as a redraft. I have built in more information about the history of the Soil Association to give more information about its founders rather than just two. I have also included history about the origins of the Haughley Experiment, how it influenced Lady Eve's book and the founding of the organisation. I think this is important. I then included details about when the Soil Association Certification trade arm was established. This is an important part of the organisations history as the birth of organic standards in the UK. I could have gone on with details about different programmes launching over the years but felt, for now, this was a good start. I have made sure the content is referenced correctly - when uploading the draft, I will include backlinks to appropriate wiki pages. For now, I'd welcome your feedback on the draft. Thanks, DanMor0806 ( talk) 14:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
History The Soil Association was founded on 12 June 1945 at a founders meeting in which about a hundred people attended.[2][3] The Soil Association was formally registered on 3 May 1946,[4] and in the next decade grew from a few hundred to over four thousand members.[5] As of October 2021, the Soil Association has 10,000 members.
According to its website: "The Soil Association was founded in 1946 by a group of farmers, scientists and nutritionists who observed a direct connection between farming practice and plant, animal, human and environmental health..."The catalyst was the publication of "The Living Soil" by Lady Eve Balfour, the niece of former Prime Minister Arthur Balfour, in 1943. The book was inspired by her experience of the Haughley experiment [6,7] and presented the case for an alternative, sustainable approach to agriculture that has since become known as organic farming."
The Haughley experiment was based on an idea that farmers were over-reliant on fertilizers, that livestock, crops and the soil should be treated as a whole system[8], and that "natural" farming produced food which was in some way more wholesome than food produced with more intensive methods.[9] Lady Balfour believed that mankind's future and human health were dependent on how the soil was treated, and ran the experiment to generate scientific data that would support these beliefs.[9] The Soil Association was founded on these beliefs.
The founders of the Soil Association included Lady Eve, Friend Sykes ( /info/en/?search=Friend_Sykes), Jorian Jenks ( /info/en/?search=Jorian_Jenks), George Scott Williamson ( /info/en/?search=George_Scott_Williamson), Innes Hope Pearse ( /info/en/?search=Innes_Hope_Pearse) and Mary Langman ( /info/en/?search=Mary_Langman) amongst others.
Friend Sykes (1888–1965) was an English organic farmer and writer. Along with Sir Albert Howard ( /info/en/?search=Albert_Howard), an English botanist, Sykes has been described as a founder of the organic movement.[10] The use of compost and manure to improve soil was important to Sykes' approach to farming. Sykes and Frank Newman Turner's organic farming emphasized ploughless soil cultivation, green manure, organic soil cover and ley farming[2].
Jorian Jenks was an English farmer, environmentalism pioneer and member of the British Union of Fascists (BUF) closely associated with Oswald Mosley. Jenks was the editorial secretary of the Association's journal "Mother Earth". During the late 1940s the Association involved far-right and even antisemitic elements, remnants of the defunct BUF, and was driven by far-right political ideas as much as ecological concerns. Following Jenks' death in 1963, the Association tilted towards the left of the political spectrum, especially under the new president of the Association, Barry Commoner.[11] The campaigner Alastair Sawday was Vice Chairman of the association between 2005 and 2007.[12]
George Scott Williamson and Innes Hope Pearse were both doctors who designed the Peckham Experiment ( /info/en/?search=The_Peckham_Experiment) which was designed to determine whether people as a whole would, given the opportunity, take a vested interest in their own health and fitness and expend effort to maintain it. The experiment took place between 1926 and 1950, initially generated by rising public concern over the health of the working class and an increasing interest in preventive social medicine.
Mary Langman who secetary to Wwas also involved in the delivery of the Peckham Experiment, was an organic farmer and a pivotal contributor to the development of the wholefood and organic movement in Britain. As a french speaker, Langman played an important role in setting up IFOAM, the International Federation of Organic Agriculture Movements.[13]
The Soil Association was one of five like-minded associations that founded the International Federation of Organic Agriculture Movements (IFOAM) in 1972 in Versailles, France, to act as the umbrella organisation to advocate for the global uptake of organic farming.[14]
In 1973 Soil Association Certification was launched. To date, 70% of organic food in the UK is certified by Soil Association Certification, and the organisation is one of only six UK approved control bodies.[15]
Following the introduction of organic standards, Soil Association Certification launched in 1973. Soil Association Certification Ltd (SACL) is a not-for-profit subsidiary of the Soil Association charity, independently providing organic certification services and advisory support on all aspects of organic certification. SACL is one of the organic certification bodies in the UK,[15] approved by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. Organic certification sets strict benchmarks for organic food production, packaging, animal welfare, wildlife conservation, residues and additives to reassure the buying public over the quality of products labelled organic. The standards cover agriculture,[16] aquaculture,[17], EU equivalent standards[18], food and drink processing,[19] forestry,[20] health and beauty products,[21] and textiles[22]. 70% of organic food in the UK is certified by Soil Association Certification. Products certified by the Soil Association carry an organic logo.
2 - Conford, Philip. (2001). The Origins of the Organic Movement. Floris Books. p. 252. ISBN 978-0863153365 3 - Lockeretz, William. (2018). Organic Farming: An International History. CABI. p. 189. ISBN 978-0-85199-833-6 4 - Paull, John (2009). "The Living Soil Association: Pioneering Organic Farming and Innovating Social Inclusion" (PDF). Journal of Organic Systems. 4 (1): 15–33. 5 - Conford, Philip & Holden, Patrick (2007), "The Soil Association", in William Lockeretz (ed.), Organic Farming: An International History, Oxfordshire, UK & Cambridge, Massachusetts: CAB International (CABI), pp. 187–200, ISBN 978-0-85199-833-6, retrieved 10 August 2010 ebook ISBN 978-1-84593-289-3 6 - White, Kim Kennedy; Duram, Leslie A (2013). America Goes Green: An Encyclopedia of Eco-friendly Culture in the United States. California: ABC-CLIO. p. 176. ISBN 978-1-59884-657-7. 7 - "LADY EVE BALFOUR". IFOAM. Retrieved 21 August 2014. 8 - "The Haughley Experiment". Nature. 179 (4558): 514. 1957. Bibcode:1957Natur.179T.514.. doi:10.1038/179514d0. 9 - Gordon, Ian (2004). Reproductive Technologies in Farm Animals. CABI. pp. 10–. ISBN 978-0-85199-049-1. 10 - Scialabba, Nadia; Hattam, Caroline. (2002). Organic Agriculture, Environment and Food Security. Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. p. 141. ISBN 92-5-104819-3 11 - Macklin, Graham (2007). Very deeply dyed in black: Sir Oswald Mosley and the resurrection of British fascism after 1945. I.B.Tauris. ISBN 978-1-84511-284-4. 12 - "Alastair Sawday: the green travel pioneer". The Simple Things. Retrieved 7 January 2019. 13 - Mary Langman - https://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/apr/26/guardianobituaries.food 14 - Paull, John (2010). "From France to the World: The International Federation of Organic Agriculture Movements (IFOAM)" (PDF). Journal of Social Research & Policy. 1 (2): 93–102. 15 - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/organic-certification-list-of-uk-approved-organic-control-bodies 16 - "Farming and Growing Standards". Soil Association. Retrieved 11 November 2021 - https://www.soilassociation.org/our-standards/read-our-organic-standards/farming-growing-standards/ 17 - "Aquaculture and Seaweed Standards". Soil Association. Retrieved 11 November 2021. - https://www.soilassociation.org/our-standards/read-our-organic-standards/aquaculture-seaweed-standards/ 18 - "EU Equivalent Organic Standards". Soil Association. Retrieved 11 November 2021. - https://www.soilassociation.org/our-standards/read-our-organic-standards/eu-equivalent-organic-standards/ 19 - "Food and drink standards". Soil Association. Retrieved 11 November 2021. - https://www.soilassociation.org/our-standards/read-our-organic-standards/food-drink-standards/ 20 - "Forestry standards". Soil Association. Retrieved 11 November 2021. - https://www.soilassociation.org/our-standards/read-our-organic-standards/forestry-standards/ 21 - "Health and Beautry standards". Soil Association. Retrieved 11 November 2021. - https://www.soilassociation.org/our-standards/read-our-organic-standards/health-beauty-standards/ 22 - "Textiles standards". Soil Association. Retrieved 11 November 2021. - https://www.soilassociation.org/our-standards/read-our-organic-standards/textiles-standards/
DanMor0806 ( talk) 14:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks - It has been just over a month since sharing my draft changes for the Soil Association 'History section' and requesting a review. Hoping it is now acceptable to upload my changes to the page. If this is reverted, please can I request a dialogue with someone to discuss any further necessary amendments? My aim is to continue working through sections of this page (as per the conversation above) so would like to now draft up changes for the next section. I want to follow the rules as instructed and am respectful of processes - this just appears to have stalled a little. DanMor0806 ( talk) 16:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi Wikipedians. I am hoping to have a review of a redraft for the history section for this page following a suggestion to do so from SmartSE ( talk. The draft changes are in my sandbox User:DanMor0806/sandbox with full citations and independent sources. It has been over a month since sharing my draft changes for the Soil Association 'History section' and requesting a review {{ Request edit}}. Hoping it is now acceptable to upload my changes to the page. Again, as advised by a fellow wikipedian, my aim is to continue working through sections of this page (as per the conversation above) so would like to now draft up changes for the next section. I want to follow the rules as instructed and am respectful of processes - but I have been advised three times now that people don't have the capacity to help, so it feels like I am hitting a dead end each time. I think I am going about this in the right way? DanMor0806 ( talk) 10:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi all - as one can see from the most recent discussion in this talk page, it has been difficult to update the information on the Soil Association page. My COI is problematic, as is the required time from wikipedians to help with the editing process. Taking recommendations from Wikipedia's TeaHouse I am going to attempt to make small edits at a time, and request a review each time (rather than asking someone to review a whole section redraft which has proven prohibitive. Thanks in advance to anyone who helps with this process. First edit as follows;
Remove: "The book presented the case for an alternative, sustainable approach to agriculture that has since become known as organic farming." Replace with: "The book was inspired by her experience of the Haughley experiment [1] [2] and presented the case for an alternative, sustainable approach to agriculture that has since become known as organic farming."
Add: "The Haughley experiment was based on an idea that farmers were over-reliant on fertilizers, that livestock, crops and the soil should be treated as a whole system and that "natural" farming produced food which was in some way more wholesome than food produced with more intensive methods" [3]. Lady Balfour believed that mankind's future and human health were dependent on how the soil was treated, and ran the experiment to generate scientific data that would support these beliefs. [4]. The Soil Association was founded on these beliefs.
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Replace: "It was founded in part due to concerns over intensive agriculture and in particular the use of herbicides." With: The first president of the Soil Association was Lady Eve. [5] The organisation was formed following the publication of her book 'The Living Soil'. Reprinted numerous times, it became a founding text of the emerging organic food and farming movement and of the Soil Association. [6]. The book is based on the initial findings of the first three years of the Haughley Experiment, the first formal, side-by-side farm trial to compare organic and chemical-based farming. [7] [8] [9].
Add: The Haughley experiment was based on an idea that farmers were over-reliant on fertilizers, that livestock, crops and the soil should be treated as a whole system and that "natural" farming produced food which was in some way more wholesome than food produced with more intensive methods" [10]. Lady Balfour believed that mankind's future and human health were dependent on how the soil was treated, and ran the experiment to generate scientific data that would support these beliefs. [11].
Request edit DanMor0806 ( talk) 01:33, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi Justlettersandnumbers ( talk). I was hoping you could explain what was wrong with the edits I have made to the page - you reverted my edits without explanation. After a month of waiting for edits to be considered, I decided to publish. It has been identified by many in the talk history that this page is not fit for purpose. As the only person who is seemingly willing to add detail to improve the page, I am very unclear how I am expected to do so without a review of proposed edits. I was told to make small and minor changes as I go rather than propose whole page edits. I am happy to take this approach but without adequate and timely feedback to proposed edits the page will take years to update. Some advice on how to move forwards would be appreciated. I am trying very hard to stick to the guidelines suggested by Wikipedians (which have also differed from one another). Can you please provide an explanation so I can try again or at least just any option for moving forwards with this piece of work? Thanks DanMor0806 ( talk) 16:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Remove and Replace: It was founded in part due to concerns over intensive agriculture and in particular the use of herbicides. With/Add: The first president of the Soil Association was Lady Eve. [1]. The organisation was formed following the publication of her book 'The Living Soil'. Reprinted numerous times, it became a founding text of the emerging organic food and farming movement and of the Soil Association. [2]. The book is based on the initial findings of the first three years of the Haughley Experiment, the first formal, side-by-side farm trial to compare organic and chemical-based farming. [3] [4] [5]
Add: The Haughley experiment was based on an idea that farmers were over-reliant on fertilizers, that livestock, crops and the soil should be treated as a whole system and that "natural" farming produced food which was in some way more wholesome than food produced with more intensive methods". [6] Lady Balfour believed that mankind's future and human health were dependent on how the soil was treated, and ran the experiment to generate scientific data that would support these beliefs. [7] DanMor0806 ( talk)
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