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A request has been made to translate de:Westwall into this article. If you are able to do this please make a note on Wikipedia: Translation into English Ellsworth 15:55, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
There appears to be contradiction between the de:Westwall and Siegfried Line.
There is no mention in de:Westwall of what happened before 1938.
Aimaz 11:27, 30 June 2004 (UTC)
(from Wikipedia:Translation into English)
As I know was the beginning of building up the westwall known in english as siegfried line in the year 1938.
It is most likely that the name simply came into use from the end of 1938, without Nazi propaganda using the term to a great extent.
I'm not sure I follow this exactly. Would it be accurate to say "It is most likely that the name simply came into popular use toward the end of 1938; at that time it had not been heavily used in Nazi propaganda, although the Nazi regime later used the term." I'd like to substitute that, but I want to make sure it is factually accurate. -- Jmabel 18:57, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)
The caption to one of the Dragon's Teeth photos says 5 "teeth" . There are definitely more than 5 in the photograph. Perhaps it is meant to say 5 foot teeth?
This is a brilliant article. It is comprehensive, and wholly interesting. I appreciate the work that has gone into this. glasperlenspiel 20:17, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
I agree. Very comprehensive, and a fascinating read! One of the best WW2-related articles I've read! Devari 05:54, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
Claims that more than 50,000 US soldiers died in Huertgen battle, are pure nonsense. See de:Allerseelenschlacht for a quite detailed examination. See also: Battle of Hurtgen Forest
WernerE (german.wiki) - 05.4.2005
The article says ...With this organisation’s help, huge numbers of workers - up to half a million at a time - were found to work on the Siegfried Line... and ...Life on the building site and after work was monotonous and many people gave up and left....
It might be useful to clarify the wording "workers were found" with a note that many workers were 'recruited' in occupied territory. These workers didn't have the option to leave. My now 83-year old neighbor lived in a hole in the ground for almost 2 years with his father to escape this work.
In the section The role of the Siegfried Line at the beginning of the war: "This phase of the history of the Siegfried Line is memorialized in the Billy Joel song Seigfried Line, a previously unreleased track from his 2005 boxed set My Lives." I'll presume that this is true, but is it really notable enough to belong in the article? If it is, is it really important enough, boxed set and all, to interrupt the general flow of the narrative rather than being somewhere at the bottom? It doesn't seem to me to throw any light at all on the topic for someone who turns here for research purposes. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
The link to the mp3 extract of the song in English is a link to a modern commercial site of someone signing the song for a nostalgia audience. It is thus both not authentic, and commercial. This is surely a problem, but I wanted someone else's opinion before removing it. Johncmullen1960 ( talk) 07:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
The translation Westwall(de) = western wall(en) seems a tad false-friendish to me. The Wall(de) is more related to "rampart" or "parapet", with a slight subtext of "mound". The latter in the sense of the ancient roman limes structure or mounds found around medieval castles. The Wall(de) has NO connotation to the brick structure one could paint a mural on. Having that in mind, the German term and its derivation seem very straight forward to me. No changes to the article, an English native speaker should please cross check that, I'm no language professional. 137.226.12.155 ( talk) 08:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
User:JCHeverly 23:01, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I've spent a half hour or so cleaning up some of the more egregious statements of opinion, weasel wording and unreferenced statements tagged as far back as four and a half years ago, but this is still a badly underreferenced article which could use some TLC. ῲ Ravenswing ῴ 12:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
There were no concrete FlaK "towers" in the western air defence zone, only concrete foundations for heavy FlaK or maybe wooden towers for light FlaK, standing on concrete foundations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.139.123 ( talk) 09:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
http://westwall.elvamie.nl/index.php Check it out. In German, but Google Chrome translates well. Loaded w/ pics and maps. Not for nothin' . . . johncheverly 18:56, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Since it can either refer to the Siegfried line of WWI or the Westwall of WWII. 108.45.79.25 ( talk) 00:31, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. After relisting, there has been no support for this move. (closed by a page mover) (non-admin closure). Anarchyte ( work | talk) 11:36, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Siegfried Line → Westwall – First, "Siegfried Line" is ambiguous, and the article has to begin with disambiguation; "Westwall" is unambiguous. Second, "Westwall" seems to be the more familiar name. Any frequency comparison would need to strip out WWI references and Wikipedia clones. 108.45.79.25 ( talk) 00:39, 15 June 2016 (UTC)--Relisting. Eventhorizon51 ( talk) 17:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Since Westwall is the normal American English term, how can WP:UCN/ WP:USEENGLISH be a reason to oppose the proposed move? 108.45.79.25 ( talk) 23:09, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
American casualties should not be provided to the exclusion of allied casualties. This reads like an American story not a wikipedia article. I'll try and correct where I can but this is not my area of expertise. WayeMason ( talk) 01:42, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I've taken out all references to this. Possibly does deserve a "see also" or one-line reference of some sort (feel free to make such an addition) - but not the double-billing that it had before my edit. - Snori ( talk) 11:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
The name section explains what the Germans called the line at various times, but Why did the British call it the "Siegfried Line"? This is a far mor pertinent question for an English language encyclopeadia. -- PBS ( talk) 20:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I just watched a programme about dragons teeth and it was too expensive to remove them? I was just thinking that it would be appropriate for them to be used as memorial plac's that could be engraved in memory of all soldiers and people from both sides that died in the area that the dragons teeth lay? 💐🌹💐 88.105.251.10 ( talk) 15:01, 6 December 2021 (UTC)