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Reviewer: Super Ψ Dro

Hello, I will take a look at the article soon. Super Ψ Dro 17:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Thanks for reviewing! It's a long one so take as much time as needed. Answered comments so far below. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Since you linked 1986 to "1986 in paleontology" in the taxobox, you should do the same for 1975.

Done, and added "Sinopliosaurus" fusuiensis to the the 1975 in paleontology article table. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

You forgot doing it in the taxobox. Super Ψ Dro 11:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Whoops, fixed! ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• There are several duplicated links in the article.

Fixed. Had to temporarily remove the lead during editing with Ctrl C, since apparently it's the only way to get the "highlight duplicate links" function to ignore links there. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼

• "Early Cretaceous Period" "Period" should be in lower case.

Done and fixed in the lead as well. Looks like this is a mistake I've been doing in several articles (especially since I usually write stage in lower case)... So I'll be changing that in those pages as well. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "Yoshitsugu Kobayashi of Hokkaido University" shouldn't it be "Yoshitsugu Kobayashi of the Hokkaido University"?

Fixed typo. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

I have to disagree with these. Definite articles are rarely used with place names unless they contain "of". Lythronaxargestes ( talk | contribs) 17:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Took a look at some other articles and yeah, seems to be the case. Reverted the change then. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 17:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Same with "in Khon Kaen Province".

Fixed. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Reverted, see above. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 17:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "Siam" italics aren't neccessary.

Fixed and wrote Old Greek instead of Greek. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

I don't think you need to replace the name "Ancient Greek" by "Old Greek". Super Ψ Dro 11:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Hmm, was a suggestion in Ichthyovenator's FAC to have Old Greek instead of Greek, but Ancient Greek is probably more appropriate I'll agree. Changed. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "including Si Wiang Dinosaur Park" add "the".

Done. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "fellow Thai dinosaurs Phuwiangosaurus sirindhornae, Siamotyrannus isanensis, and Psittacosaurus sattayaraki" this is optional, but I think links should also include the specific name.

This has been bugging me for a while now, and seems to be inconsistent between articles ( Kentrosaurus doesn't link the species for example while Cetiosauriscus does). So not sure what to do here. Any suggestions from other editors? FunkMonk, IJReid. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

If I mention full species names, I'd link the whole thing. There is no guarantee a given species will stay in a given genus forever, so only linking the genus is problematic (I know most dinosaurs are monotypic, but that's not always the case). FunkMonk ( talk) 10:09, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

That's a good point. Linked full species names then and will do the same for other articles. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Move the italics outside the links. Super Ψ Dro 11:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Not sure how they ended up like that. Fixed. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "referred to as "Sinopliosaurus" fusuiensis." Since it's a redirect to the article and not a valid species anymore, the link should be removed.

Fixed. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "Spanish palaeontologists Rubén Molina-Pérez" I have always doubted how to treat names with two surnames in citations, so this point is not necessary, but Spanish names do not usually carry a hyphen between them. This also happens in Hou Lian-Hai, but I don't know if this is valid in Chinese names.

Molina-Pérez is hyphenated in most sources ( [1] [2], including the cover of the book [3]). It appears hyphens are also valid in Chinese names, as per this source [4], as well as papers and databases his name appears in ( [5] [6] [7]). ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Okay. Super Ψ Dro 11:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "from the formation by joint Thai-French palaeontological fieldwork" from the formation by a joint Thai-French palaeontological fieldwork?

Don't think this is needed; you wouldn't say "by a fieldwork". ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Nevertheless I think it's awkward to assign nationality to fieldwork. Maybe this should be reworded to talk about the team? Lythronaxargestes ( talk | contribs) 17:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Good point, reworded to "during fieldwork by Thai-French palaeontological teams". ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 17:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Explain "neural spine", "chevron", "scavenging event"

Done for the first two. I think most people know what scavenging means but reworded it for clarity to "though this could also represent evidence of scavenging." with an added link. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "series of spinosaurid caudal (tail) vertebrae" since "caudal" is an adjective, the explanation could be changed to something like "belonging/related to the tail" or "of the tail" or something like that.

Caudal/s is also a noun though, just like cervical/s and dorsal/s (see Glossary of dinosaur anatomy). ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Understood. Super Ψ Dro 11:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "9.1 metres (30 ft) long" since this is the first measure using feet in the main text, the abbreviation "ft" could be removed.

Fixed. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "255 kilograms (562 lb)" same thing here.

Done. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "And in 2016" I think this is a somewhat strange way to start a sentence after a period.

Removed "and". ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "The holotype tooth is relatively straight, with only minor front to back curvature." with only a minor front to back curvature?

Gave it a look. There's 244 Google search results for "with only minor curvature" [8] (some of which are from palaeontological papers) but only 7 for "with only a minor curvature" [9]. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Fair enough. Super Ψ Dro 11:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "the carinae (cutting edges) of Siamosaurus's teeth lack" remove the "s".

Done. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "The Siamosaurus morphotype also shares with Siamosaurus suteethorni, GMNH-PV-999, and IVPP V 4793 a wrinkled enamel surface, and between 12 to 15 flutes on each side." I think a comma should go after IVPP V 4793.

Maybe not needed, the sentence ends up having a jarring amount of comma breaks. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

I still think there should be one. I'd remove the comma in "enamel surface, and between", but I know this is serial comma and it's fine if you don't want to. Super Ψ Dro 11:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Removed comma as suggested, definitely flows better now. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 09:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC) reply

I suggested this so that you can include another comma after IVPP V 4793, but the phrase looks better now so it is not necessary. Super Ψ Dro 11:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Explain "matrix".

Already linked and not too necessary for the subject being discussed in this paragraph. I think readers should get a good idea from the "rock" part before anyways. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Okay. Super Ψ Dro 11:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "A 5.5 mm (0.22 in) -long gap" why is there a hyphen?

Removed. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "at the fossil's base exposes the dentine, which is covered" earlier you use "dentin" in the first subsection.

Changed to "dentin". ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "face of "Sinopliosaurus" fusuiensis's teeth." remove the "s".

Done. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "Buffetaut and colleagues most likened the" I never saw this before. Is it correct or a typo?

Correct as per [10]. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Link "sulci".

Linked to dinosaur glossary and changed to "blood grooves", since it's less technical. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 10:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Link "Spinosauridae".

Already linked earlier as spinosaurid. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "fish such as a saurodontid or an" this is a family, right? I think you should then link Saurodontidae instead of saurodontid.

Done, shame it doesn't have an article though... ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "And in 2012, an analysis" remove the "and".

Done. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "especially common with spinosaurs, given that" since Spinosauridae is a family, replace it with "spinosaurids".

Spinosaurid and spinosaur are interchangeable, but done anyways to avoid ambiguity with "Spinosauroidea" or Spinosaurinae. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "pointed out that plesiosaurs have significantly more" remove it with "had" or indicate you are referring to the teeth.

Reworded to be more concise "pointed out that plesiosaur teeth were significantly more recurved". Is this better? ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Yes, it's fine. Super Ψ Dro 09:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "a redescription of the genus' validity is currently being prepared by Buffetaut." does this mean that more information will be added to this article? I'm just asking out of curiosity, this will not affect the review.

When the redescription is published, yeah, probably. Unfortunately not sure when it's coming out. Depending on the results of the paper, the "potentially dubious" part of the article lead could be removed as well. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "skeleton from the Gres superieurs Formation of Laos" this should be "Grès supérieurs Formation".

Fixed. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "member of the subfamily in 2019, their cladogram can be seen below:" I'd use a semicolon here instead of a comma. Also, another question, if Spinosauridae is divided into two subfamilies, why its article doesn't mention Baryonychinae in the taxobox?

Used semicolon. The removal of Baryonychinae from the Spinosauridae taxobox was apparently done due to the fact that its monophyly has been cast into doubt by some researchers (mainly Sales and Schultz), thus making it not entirely accepted within palaeontological circles as an unquestionably valid grouping. Clarified this in the article, since the study was briefly mentioned but lacked detail or the reasoning behind their analysis. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 21:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply

More on that, Lythronaxargestes recently re-added to the taxobox (Note that Suchosaurus and Cristatusaurus were also placed within it afterwards). With a question mark it works quite well actually. [11] ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 05:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Thanks. Didn't realize those taxa had also been included in the clade. Lythronaxargestes ( talk | contribs) 18:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Interesting. And the rest (Ostafrikasaurus and Camarillasaurus) are basal genera? Asking so I get a bit more familiarized with spinosaurids. Super Ψ Dro 09:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Yep, Ostafrikasaurus is the most basal one known (besides possible Middle Jurassic spinosaur teeth from Niger). Camarillasaurus—if it is indeed a spinosaurid—is probably not that basal since it's from the Barremian and shares some similarities with Spinosaurus. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 09:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "similar to that of modern Gharials." lower case here.

Fixed. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 12:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Link "sauropod".

Done. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 12:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• "may have employed similar feeding tactics, and been under comparable mechanical constraints" I'd remove the comma.

Done. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 12:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Perhaps explain "ecological niche", but I don't know how common is this in dinosaur paleontology.

It's pretty common, but reworded for a little more clarity to "Therefore, Lauprasert suggested that Siamosaurus—as a piscivorous predator—could have replaced the ecological niche of contemporaneous long-snouted crocodilians." ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 12:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC) reply

• Almost flawless section... "between the Ichthyovenator and the European genus Vallibonavenatrix." remove "the".

Fixed. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 12:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Excellent article, passing now. Judging by your userpage, you want to nominate this one to FA. I will try to remember to support the article, but if I don't, you can ping me. Congrats! Super Ψ Dro 14:12, 14 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Many thanks for the kind words and the great review! Will do! Probably putting it up for peer review before FAC; it's a long article so just wanna make sure I'm not missing any potentially big changes. Cheers! ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 15:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC) reply