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James Bond is already more than double the recommended maximum length for an article. Since there's been no comment on the merge suggestions, I'm going to turn this into a brief article on the bond martini. — Michael Z. 2006-02-09 16:51 Z
shaking also breaks up the ice, and allows tiny bits through the strainer, diluting a martini with water. dunno if that's an addition that should be included...
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A veteran barman I used to know told me a similar story - he claimed that if you use cubed ice, stirring the drink cools it without diluting it with too much water. If you shake it, little bits of ice get chipped off - and being smaller, melt more quickly resulting in a colder - but significantly more diluted drink. However, if that's what you wanted, a professional barman such as you find in the swanky places Bond frequents should be happy to crush the ice before stirring it into the drink - thereby giving you the cooling and diluting effects without the 'bruising' from shaking it. Going for a diluted drink seems somehow very un-Bondlike - but it's evident that there are enough other reasons to prefer it shaken to account for this quirky preference. SteveBaker 01:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Most bartenders I have met (including myself) will tell you that you should stir a martini very gently to get it as cold as you can with as little water in the drink as possible. Stirring vigorously will add more water. Shaking will add even more, as more ice melts and any chips will either melt or sneak through the strainer. Theoretically, you still get the same amount of alcohol in the drink, as all of the liquid from the mixing cup should get poured into the glass, but the volume of a shaken drink will be higher, therefore contain less alcohol per sip. Very smart for a spy, as he is sounding sophisticated ordering it, except to bartenders, and keeps himself from getting drunk as quickly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.218.118.20 ( talk) 22:39, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
This is a pop-culture article, so this subheading title doesn't really mean anything. Anyway, let's please not add another droll list of trivial mentions in genre television shows. — Michael Z. 2006-08-11 06:19 Z
What exactly is the purpose of the 'In popular culture' section? Of course, the Mucha Lucha article for example, should link here, but why vice versa? 65.27.238.60 16:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
'A dry martini,' he said. 'One. In a deep champagne goblet.'
'Oui, monsieur.'
'Just a moment. Three measures of Gordon's, one of vodka, half a measure of Kina Lillet. Shake it very well until it's ice-cold, then add a large thin slice of lemon peel. Got it?'
'Certainly monsieur.' The barman seemed pleased with the idea.
'Gosh, that's certainly a drink,' said Leiter.
Bond laughed. 'When I'm...er...concentrating,' he explained, 'I never have more than one drink before dinner. But I do like that one to be large and very strong and very cold, and very well-made. I hate small portions of anything, particularly when they taste bad. This drink's my own invention. I'm going to patent it when I think of a good name.'
— Casino Royale, Chapter 7: Rouge et Noir [1]
The exact words "shaken, not stirred" do not appear in the above snippet. It is, however, clear that Bond wanted the barman to shake the drink. JIP | Talk 12:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
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I removed the following from the section "Why shaken, not stirred".
*In the
2006 film
Casino Royale, a bartender asks Bond if he would like his martini shaken or stirred, to which Bond replies "do I look like I give a damn?"
It repeats the dialogue presented in the intro paragraph. -- Pavithran 18:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed text from the section "Why shaken, not stirred", as it is factually incorrect; the martini that Bond orders with "Do I look like I give a damn" comes after losing his initial buy-in. The poisoned drink is a Vesper, which comes a few scenes later. It is poisoned by Le Chiffre's blonde associate at the bar, after Felix stakes Bond with his $5 million rebuy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.79.6 ( talk) 07:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Since first being muttered by James Bond in the 1964 film, Goldfinger, "shaken, not stirred" has become a catchphrase in western popular culture.
That section on fusel oil makes no sense at all. It should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.197.7 ( talk) 12:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
The article states "Ironically, while playing Bond, Moore never ordered one, although he received one in The Spy Who Loved Me"
and also states that "Roger Moore's Bond has barely ordered more than three, although he has received one in the 1977 film The Spy Who Loved Me."
So, did he order 0 or order 3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spartacus007 ( talk • contribs) 17:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
In the "Other Drinking Habits", it ought to be mentioned that Bond drinks Sake in You Only Live Twice, and commends his Japanese host for serving it at the proper (heated) temperature. My understanding, however, is that fine Sake is actually served cold. -- 12.32.87.3 ( talk) 19:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
I did some own research that I would like to share.
It is true that vodka's and martini have different density, different specific weight and show some degree of immiscibility when mixed in a proper way.
clouds of one liquid into the other when properly mixed can give an element of surprise. you'll never know what's next when having some properly shaken vodka martini. Would it be martini's dominant sweetness, or vodka would punch your tongue hard?
just my 2c. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.167.13.156 ( talk) 00:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Apparently the Telegraph reported some fallacious information from a previous version of this article stating that Bond drank a Heineken: ...he has slummed it and drunk beer before. Heineken was his choice in Goldfinger."
This is apparently an issue as fandom is in an uproar:
And so on. However, I did a search in Goldfinger via Amazon. No Heineken. And I dug a little further. Apparently it's a Löwenbräu. From: http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/james-bonds-beer/ (this info might be good to mix in):
When this sentence was added, "In Goldfinger, he favours Heineken," no citation was given. So I have removed it.
TuckerResearch ( talk) 02:36, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
The reason for the "citation needed" tag is not clear. Please clarify or remove.
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Do we have any videos showing a martini being made both ways? If not, we should make one to illustrate this article, which currently doesn't have any illustrations. Daniel Case ( talk) 00:24, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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I re-worked the Bon bois quote a bit. It talked about Fins Bois, but that's not in the cited source or any other source I checked, and I don't believe it's correct. Fins bois and Bon bois are two different things; see Cognac.
I used a different source, a book that seems more reliable than the web page that had been cited, and adjusted the quote and links appropriately. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 15:43, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
It strikes me that the text in Sec. 1.1, Novels, regarding modern substitutions for the discontinued Kina Lillet, and apparently sourced to a specific London bartender, is outside the scope of the article. It might be nice to know how to make a drink, with current ingredients, similar to the ones Bond drank in the novels, but Wikipedia is not a recipe book. Spike-from-NH ( talk) 23:58, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Bond prefers the '69 vintage although that may just have been a quip (Moonraker). 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:3453:7AF8:7F0:AFDF ( talk) 15:39, 8 June 2021 (UTC)