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Fancruft. Enthusiastically-written fancruft. ...or is it!
... yep, it is. DS 00:45, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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...somebody has to tone this history discussion thing down. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for you people to have discussions on the game; thus it should only state what IS known about his history from the games, and NOT constantly have "but this theory is false, here's why!"
Also keep all the game information to Shadow the Hedgehog (video game). This is the character page, not an advert for another page. -- Shadow Hog 19:30, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I cleaned up the Character analysis section a little. I am still stunned by how much time has been spent trying to dissect the history of a character that represents a dark era in Sonic Team character design from a game series that hasn't had much of a plot to speak of.
Here's the text for the Character Analysis section - most of this stuff should be on the discussion page. Since I'm cleaning it up, this seems like a good idea... -- Jtalledo (talk) 20:38, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A popular opinion is that Shadow is an evil clone of Sonic. This is never stated in any of the games. Shadow is the ultimate life form and that he was created by Prof. Gerald Robotnik. His resemblance to Sonic character-wise is a pure coincidence. Sonic is fifteen years old, and Shadow was created approximately fifty years ago, so Sonic could not have been cloned.
The Shadow in Sonic Heroes is revealed to be a robot. There is either the possibility that Shadow was always a robot, or that only his clone was a robot. The Bio-Lizard is organic, and since that is the prototype of Shadow, it follows on to assume that the original Shadow is also organic. Finally, it must be easier to mass-produce artificial Shadows as weapons instead of cloning them. With his skills at mass producing large numbers of robots, its logical that Dr. Eggman used this same technology to mass produce Shadow.
What exactly is the ultimate life form that Gerald Robotnik was working on? We know that the Bio-Lizard (originally codenamed "Shadow") is the prototype and that Shadow himself is an incarnation, but there could exist a mysterious third ultimate lifeform. In Sonic Battle, Rouge tells Shadow that Emerl, the robot that Sonic found, is also know as "The Ultimate Life Form", except he's 4,000 years older than Shadow. Thus, Emerl could be the mysterious third lifeform.
In the speech before his execution at the end of Sonic Adventure 2, Gerald explains how the Ultimate Life Form project was supposed to be for the good of mankind. The military interpreted it as a weapon which led to the attack that killed Maria and supposedly destroyed the Ultimate Life Form. Gerald goes on to claim that, filled with hatred for the military for killing Maria, he completed the Ultimate Life Form based on what he remembered and programmed it to carry out his revenge. He also implores the listener to free it. This speech is quite confusing. We know that Shadow escaped ARK in an escape pod, and that same Shadow was the one freed by Dr. Eggman. But based on his speech, Gerald does not know that Shadow has survived. He would have realised that Shadow had survived if the military had delivered Shadow to him so he could continue his work. It is unknown why would the military continue to allow Gerald to work on Shadow if they already perceived him as a threat.
There are three possible explanations. One is that Shadow is the only true Ultimate Life Form and that the doctor improved Shadow even further after he was captured by the military. Secondly, there is a third, more powerful Ultimate Life Form in existence which has not been discovered. A third possibility is that, the Final Hazard is the true Ultimate Life Form.
Before he was executed, Gerald modified the Bio-Lizard so it could fuse with ARK using Chaos Control and destroy Earth by ramming into it. Sonic and Knuckles "free" the Bio-Lizard when they approach the core of ARK, and the voice of Gerald plays as it is released. The Bio-Lizard was also just a "prototype" of the Ultimate Life Form- an incomplete version. This would leave it open to being improved by Gerald. Finally, by using Chaos Control to fuse with ARK, it is carrying out the mission it was programmed for: to destroy Earth. Seeing that Shadow was not originally programmed to destroy Earth, it is improbable to suggest that his predecessor, the Bio-Lizard, was originally a weapon of destruction, especially considering that the whole Ultimate Life Form project was supposed to bring peace to the world. The only viable explanation is that it was re-programmed by Gerald. The only disproof of this theory is the subtitle of "The Prototype of the Ultimate Life" in the description of the Final Hazard.
Another popular theory is that the Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, and Sonic Battle is the real, organic Shadow and Metal Sonic used this original Shadow to clone his army. Proof to this theory is that Metal Sonic says "Ultimate Life Form data has been copied" after the Egg Albatross is defeated. Thus, Shadow in Sonic Heroes and Sonic Adventure 2, and therefore the one in Sonic Battle, who has the memories of the one in Sonic Adventure 2, is the real one, as Metal Sonic indirectly implies there that he couldn't copy the Ultimate Life Form data from one of the clones. However, the fake Dr. Eggman (Metal Sonic) tells Shadow that he 'has no past to remember' before he copies the Ultimate Life Form data, although this could just be to throw him and make him think he's a clone, therefore stopping him from realizing that he can warp in time and space. Obviously, Shadow realizing that would be a huge blow to Metal Sonic's plans. Also, why would a normal Shadow clone be kept in a different place to all the others?
Yet another popular theory is that Shadow's memories of Maria are entirely false, and that, in fact, the hedgehog form of Project Shadow never even set foot on Space Colony A.R.K. prior to the events of Sonic Adventure 2. The likely scenario is that, somehow, Gerald was able to continue work on Project Shadow while incarcerated by GUN (as indicated by Sonic X). How, we do not know -- Perhaps they were using the professor for other research purposes and he secretly did the work on the side. Regardless, planning to utilize Shadow for vengeance on GUN and, for that matter, the entire world, the very angry professor would have programmed fabricated memories of Maria and her death into Shadow's subconscious. This theory doesn't quite explain why Shadow had the change of heart he did toward the end of the SA2 story arc, but if anything, it can probably be accredited to emotional mental instability. Of course, many people [supporting this theory] say that since Shadow's memory contained the anger of Prof. Gerald, when he had his change of heart it actually represented Prof. Gerald's inputted anger realizing what was really happenning, and repenting. Also, it should be noted that the story of Sonic Battle cannot be considered canon material without completely disregarding the history laid out by Sonic Adventure 2. There are far too many discrepancies in the story relating to Professor Gerald's journal entries (unlockable by playing through the story a second time) that completely nullify any direct sense of continuity with SA2, where Shadow was created for the purpose of vengeance. Why would Gerald have intentionally programmed the final version of Shadow with a conscience if the very reason it was brought into existence was to destroy the world? The plot holes created by Sonic Battle are simply too large to disregard. Then again, Shadow seems to have his memory back from Sonic Heroes, so Sonic Battle may just have to be thrown out of consideration for plotline.
Lastly, to correct the assupmtions of many fans, there is nothing that states that the Chaos Emerald-empowered Shadow seen at the end of Sonic Adventure 2 is "Hyper Shadow." The proper terminology is Super Shadow, as, according to Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles, a character absorbing all seven Chaos Emeralds is always referred to as "Super" instead of "Hyper", no matter who that character is. "Hyper" is a second stage achieved by absorption of the seven Super Emeralds (powered up forms of the Chaos Emeralds), as seen from Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles in Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
I replaced the entire text of the Japanese Backstory: the Truth About 50 Years Ago with an external link to clean up the article and because it might be a copyright violation - if anyone has any objections, feel free to discuss them here. -- Jtalledo (talk) 20:41, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I deleted this entire section, it was poorly written and contained nothing not said elsewhere in the article. -- 210.246.47.234 10:44, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
He seems to be well informed of Shadow. ProjectShadow
I thought that maybe the "Hedgehog or Machine" section should be deleted, ince it's answered in the spoilers of the games. Shadow is the original; we learn that from Shadow the Hedgehog. If there was a spare robot or clone running around (not the Shadow Android drones) we'd have heard about it by now in Shadow's game. --Some Girl Called Harley
Should there be a Super Shadow article like there is a Super Sonic article? I would like to see your opinions in it before I decide to create it. Thanks. -- Admiral Roo 17:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Yop he is right, no point of making one, but you can, just do it in a subpage, put the link to the subpage under Super Shadow Header (in this article). and you are telling me there is a page for Super Sonic Article!? got to check that out:D
><ino
08:14, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Ok just seen the article, yea no point of putting it uder Super Sonic article, it will just flood it up and too much information making it boring to read on the way. I say their should be a Super Shadow articles or a Super Shadow subpage, and the subpage should link to Should be under Super Shadow in this article (not this talk page:D) ><ino 08:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
"The only thing Shadow has not been seen in that Sonic has is his Hyper form, which is from a lack of Super Emeralds in the 3D Sonic series." I think Shadow does transform to Hypermode, in his new game, when he collects at leas an emerald, then his body goes Blue and he can do chaos control by flying >x<ino 08:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
"(wasn't it Hero Shadow?) what? what do you mean
So...
hey.. you wanna play a game!? we make a bet. i say that is hyper mode you say it isn't. When the game comes out, who ever loses will have to email Sonic Team/Sega a fan mail and ask.. ok!?:D >x<ino 16:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
It's Super Shadow. Idiot. Rawr, the people that say it's Hyper Shadow are dumb. Xino, Chaos Control was in SA2, and it had no sign of "Hyper". THE SUPER EMERALDS ARE GONE! FOREVER! <.< Overall, it's Superform. -- Alexie
I really think Shadow is Hyper Shadow, not Super Shadow. But you can never be too sure about which one. --anon
What's S3&K? And when does Shadow say Super form? --anon
Define hyper mode!? i just gave you every single reason why it is called that! Super Sonic some of my points are in there
"Character skin (well, fur)"Fur is a hair, that covers up and protects animal with it's habitate. Sonic doesn't have any fur, nor doesn't other characteratics in Morbuis. Fur is a hair that covers up the skin/body!If you think i am dumb, look at the High defination of Shadow The Hedgehog game, and see if any characters has any hair
"I'm willing to bet the manual for Shadow doesn't mention any "Hyper" forms either - if Chaos Controlling was a "Hyper mode", you'd think Sega'd acknowledge it somewhere, but they haven't. It's not a "Hyper mode", and there's no evidence to say that it is, no matter how much you twist and turn it. You need seven Super Emeralds to go Hyper, and they're only in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, so there is no "Hyper mode" in any game Shadow stars in. Period." Why should the manual tell you some stuff for Sonic world? Did Super Metroid Manual tell you about Wall Jump"?. If Sega did acknowledge it, do you think they will mention it everywhere, like how people get confuse with Hyper and Super, they didn't mention anything. OK, you win, but what i am saying is, If Chaos Control, in SA2 & Heroes, when Shadow uses the chaos control, his body doesn't glow blue, or nor he doesnt fly. He just wrap, that is the word Warp through time & space. Anyway, Sega, keep changing the concept >x<ino 21:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Just so you hyenas stop yapping, I edited the section on Super Shadow. Thank me later. ~Suphanakori the Hedgehog
I'm confused about Maria in Shadow the Hedgheog. Wasn't Shadow made after Maria died? Because that's what Professor Gerald said in his diary in SA2. However, in Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow was apparently created while Maria was still living. It doesn't make sense!-- PokeOnic 17:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC) --anon
No!
Professor Gerald's dairy? where did you get that from!?
>x<ino 14:06, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
In Sonic Adventure 2, last story, Professor Gerald writes a computer diary and Rouge plays it for everyone to hear. I remember that after Maria died, he says, "I went mad!" And then said something about creating Shadow for revenge. And I know he wasn't a baby. I think he was created as a 15 yr old hedgehog. If you don't believe me, play SA2 again (if you still have the game like I do). --anon
lol what da hell?, you are now confusing me, you are the one asking, if Shadow was created after Maria's death, i explain, i wasn't sure what age Shadow was created, now you are telling me the age!?
lol:P
anyway!
"last story, Professor Gerald writes a computer diary and Rouge plays it for everyone to hear. I remember that after Maria died, he says, "I went mad!" And then said something about creating Shadow for revenge."
Yes that fool Gerald went mad!, but the creation he meant was Biolizard,
But he also created Biolizard, because that was his project, but when the GUN took all usless works from him, and mercked Maria, that fool doctor went mad, and did some improvent to that weakling Biolizard >x<ino 02:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
But I remember that Gerald said that he created Shadow after Maria's death, not Biolizard. And as for the Shadow-age-thing, I said I think! You don't have to get so mad at me. Can't we just talk about this diplomatically? --anon
i wasn't even mad, do you know what "lol" means
>x<ino 17:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I think lol means lots of love or laugh out loud. And Gerald wrote in his diary (I wrote the whole thing, so it is very, very, long. If you want to skip a lot of details, just read what's written after, "The ARK was shut down under the premise that there had been an accident." By the way, for anyone casually passing by, this is a spoiler for SA2) said, "I don't quite know what happened or what went wrong. Was it a mistake to create the ultimate lifeform? I thought it would be something that would benefit mankind. But then the military guards landed on the colony that day. They were sent to destroy the research project that I had been working on. My colleages at the research facility, my granddaughter, Maria, I hope you are all safe. The colony was completely shut down, probably to keep the prototype from falling into the wrong hands. The ARK was shut down under the premise that there had been an accident. I found Maria's name among those who died when the ARK was shut down. She meant everything to me and I couldn't bear the thought that she died because of my research. I lost everything. I had nothing more to live for...I went insane. All I could think about was to avenge her...somehow, someway. I got scared as I no longer was able to control my thoughts. All I could think about was that I wanted it all to end. Based on my original projections, I was able to complete my project. Shadow. I designed its mind to be perfect, pure. I will leave everything to him. If you wish, release and awaken it, to the world. If you wish to fill the world with destruction..."
As you can see, the GUN soliders were shutting down the facility for making the biolizard (A.K.A. prototype). Shadow was made afterwards, as you can see at the end, "Based on my original projections, I was able to complete my project. Shadow. I designed its mind to be perfect, pure. I will leave everything to him. If you wish, release and awaken it, to the world. If you wish to fill the world with destruction..."
And I'm glad that you weren't mad! --anon
"There, Sonic and Knuckles obtain the "Hyper" title when they power up after empowering all 7 Super Emeralds. In addition, if the final battle goes on for too long, Shadow comments that "[he doesn't] know how much longer [he] can stay in [his] Super form", supporting the "Super Shadow" title. So, since Shadow only uses the Chaos Emeralds and not the Super Emeralds, the "Super" title is correct while the "Hyper" title is not.
It also should be noted that on the Sonic Adventure 2 disc, his model and skin files are named "Super" Shadow."
This whole thing sounds like an argument and therefore, not encyclopedic. If you want to mention that people usually call Shadow "Hyper Shadow" instead of "Super Shadow", don't make a big thing out of it. --anon
what is this about now! I though we finished this talk about hyper & super
What game came after Sonic and Knuckles 3? the game that came after it, if it had hyper in it, then hyper still exist in Sonic world, but since no hyper hasn't being mentioned in after S&K3 then hyper is no more!
Yes, and people do call "Hyper" hyper shadow,
>x<ino
03:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
What I'm trying to say is that the whole thing sounds like an argument. When you talk about Sonic and Knuckles, you get off the Shadow subject. And when you stay stuff about "in addition", it sounds like you're giving reasons why Super Shadow is not actually Hyper Shadow. It's all true, but it's not sounding encyclopedic. --anon
wait, are you refering this quote, from this article?
you are right, i have just read it!, it doens't relate or talk about anything to do with Super Shadow, it does sound like an argument!
"Super Shadow"
suppose to talk about, his appearnces, abilies & powers, and correct saying(which is either Hyper Shadow or Super Shadow, which has been done!)
Or in Super Sonic Article, a section should be their about Super Shadow Or maybe we can just add more information to this article in the Super Shadow section, information about his ability & Powers, not only about the Correct Saying(which was talking about hyper mode & super mode) >x<ino 04:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
was there? are you sure? because it redirects to Super Sonic, and Shadow Article:P
>x<ino 06:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
If you saying that I want a Super Shadow article, you're wrong. All I said was that it sounded like an argument and therefore, not encyclopedic. --anon
not to you,
>x<ino 05:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh, okay. And thank you for agreeing with me! --anon
When shadow turns gold he's super shadow, when he glows blue he's hero shadow, and when he glows red hes dark shadow. Chaos control is an intstant warp when you're shadow but when your hero shadow it is a full power speed burst that does 50% damage to the enemies you pass.
Also think, if light is faster than sound and shadows are faster than light (see shadow article) than shadow is fater than sonic. (sonic=sound)
And your point is...
Because Shadow is a Cyborg/ Android/ Lifeform..but his creator/Master created him to also harnest the Emeralds...
But Sega, never get their factes straigth, they made Shadow & Sonic, there speed to match each other.
In SOnic.NeXt.Gen (SNG). Sega made sonic, super fast, stronger on Eggman's robot. And the unstopable creature has Super Sonic:P >x<ino 00:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
this article has been badly vandaled, on fools that havn't got unexpreince with articles
The quotes suppose to be, quotes that Shadow uses all the time
>x<ino 17:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
when i get back from college, i will swipe out all info accept the varuable ones, at the "Quote" Section, because it has been badly vandalise, they just pack all dailog Shadow used in Sonic Titles >x<ino 08:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I got some pictures of Super Shadow
File:Super Shadow Battle.png >x<ino 18:39, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Yea, but, i havn't play Shadow The Hedgehog game, and i don't want no spoilers:P >x<ino 20:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, it seems like you are trying to spoil it now:P Anyway, you try and get the image >x<ino 15:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Super Shadow, the only way to get his picture is by, playing the Last Story, and using my picture camera phone, to take it and upload it here
I'm just wondering, but how do you take pictures of the game? Because whenever I take a picture, you can see the lines in it. --anon
I know, it happens, you have to redirect the phone away for some few secs and direct it back before the lines reappear
Actually, what's a picture phone? All I have is a camera. --anon
Do the same to the camera...just try and make it work:P
Can't find one much better than this http://i1.tinypic.com/ojjf3k.jpg
MY G0D!
That is so damn c00l, THANKS!:P
Now that we have the greate picture...
We need the Super Shadow section...that section can't go under
Super Sonic because it's about Sonic. Unless the section goes under Chaos Emerald. Which explains what the 7 emeralds do when combined and charge which transform the character to Super.
The Super Shadow can also go under this article
When Shadow says, "Goodbye Shadow the Hedgegog..." doea this mean that this is the last we will see of Shadow?-- WitchesBrew82 14:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Yea, and it's just a metaphor:P >x<ino 15:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Actually, Shadow is saying goodbye to his past and starting over, as Zikar said. --anon
Because he was a fool before:P >x<ino 11:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
How was he? --anon
He was by being a fool:P
And I'm guessing that Sonic was a fool, too? --anon
Shadow the Hedgehog is often wrongly applied to Sonic the Hedgehog. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
I don't know how to upload pictures, but I have a different pic of Shadow in Sonic Riders http://tinypic.com/jtqhpl.jpg
That picture is alright, but let's stick to the Official Artwork
This one is real
http://i1.tinypic.com/nmmbz4.jpg
hmmm..we might need that picture
Well we will replace the old picture with this one:P
You know, this article needs external links. I put one, but somebody said it linked to spam. What does that mean? When I clicked it, it didn't go there! --anon
Yea it does actually. wait the link here, and let me see if it's a spam or not
>x<ino 01:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Here is the link. I hope it isn't a weak website! But you know, I really have trouble finding Shadow sites. Cause when I write "Shadow the Hedgehog", I get the video game info instead. --anon
Where is the Super Shadow article?
It's gone. But if you created another Super Shadow article and look at the history page, you can see it. Of course, it would be pointless to make a Super Shadow article and not have much stuff in it. But you can if you put enough info in it! --anon
I can put some more notes in it
Created the Super Shadow section!
what are you talking about suker!?
Anyway, that section seems to be a waste, they are not similarities nor Appearances, they are actually meant to be it, for example that desert Eagle Shadow was holding wasn't similar to the Desert Eagle, because it is exactly the gun and it suppose to be the same Desert Eagle.
Can some one tell me why there is spoiler section in this article!?
It's like me doing an article on Micheal Jackson, i was one of the kid that visited his house, and actually added some description about his house (inside)
First of all...the Article begins explaining Shadow's Personality, after that it then leaps to a Spoiler about his history, appearnce...what the hell!? There was a spoiler Warning for Shadow The Hedgehog Video Game in the Plot Summaries, which was added by Shadow Hog, that section was ok, because it actually reveals info about the game which doesn't relate to Shadow himself(which i try deleting and that suker ShadowHog reverts it). That was a real spoiler and I don't know why it was moved after the Personality.
Because the article tells major plot points in games, most of the article is spoilers
Yes The article, tells info about the game, but it tells the story, because the information is about Shadow, and so if Shadow was in a game, then it concerns him, which have to be added
You won't understand,
Like I said before, the information based in the game that are added to this article, belongs to the game article itself, so it won't cross between a Spoiler. Because an article containing someone's biography can never be a spoiler!
So... you are telling me, Other appearances: Sonic X is a spoiler!?
Well, for example, let's say you never played the Shadow the hedgehog game, and then saw the info about Shadow and Black Doom. Wouldn't that spoil the game for you? --anon
What are you talking about!?
That is not a spoiler, because just because the fool who hasn't played the game, we should set it out has a spoiler for that person. You don't seem to understand, if their is an autobiography about you, nothing can never be a spoiler! This article is all about Shadow, and what ever concerns him, the info goes in!
Well, for one thing, Shadow is fictional, meaning he can't actually read his own biography and know what's going to happen next. I'm trying to say that if you didn't know that Shadow was (spoiler for anyone casually reading this) part of Black Doom and read it, that would spoil the game. --anon
Alright then..no problem, I have only added the spoiler to the games alone
But what about Sonic X? I didn't watch that episode yet, and now, I know that (spoiler) Molly's going to die. --anon
Isn't the other songs, like Chosen One, Waking Up, etc. Shadow's theme song? I Am all of Me doesn't play all the time. It could just be the game's theme song (i.e. Sonic Heroes is Sonic Heroes). --anon
All of those songs are Shadow's theme songs. They all play at the end of the game, depending on which ending you reach. "All of Me" was the song used in the trailers.
Yea..I dunno why they deleted it in the first place. The first edit on it was poor, and I deleted wasteful information. Then someone from r0hAn edited it and deleted the Weapon section.
From your edit, I will move the section to it's right place.
I noted that while the the topics on Shadow's part in gamesgive good accounts of the storyline, they don't really have anything on his relationships - read; varying levels of hatred. I put in Shadow's associations with the other Sonic characters. --Some Girl Called Harley.
Not many people or SEGA has revealed Shadow's love life. Like before he is and always a nuetral. The only person Shadow ever love is Maria
Not exactly. According to the Shadow the Hedgehog booklet, Maria is like a sister to him. It is unconfirmed whether he actually loves her as well, though.
Also, this article has the possibility to be in the good article section (or be a featured article), but it needs references and external links. Couldn't we add some? And this article also needs a CVG peer review (or whatever it was called). --anon