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I don't think the DS is Seventh Generation because first, it was made in 2004, and it's graphics are similar of the PSone. Yes, one. I think the DS belongs in Sixth Generation, because is is not 7th Gen. worthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.215.236 ( talk) 17:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to think that release dates aren't the only thing that define generations either. It's worth noting too that the scope of the some of the older generations overlap in years. As it is I feel the DS is seventh gen mostly due to its attitude. 7th gen systems are all focused on socialability to some extent and the DS is certainly included in that trend. Of course release dates have something to do with it otherwise we'd include the original XBOX in the 7th gen under my classification too. I think maybe the generations are best defined as time periods in which certain trends and technologies are dominant. Under that model then yes, the DS is definitely 7th gen. 70.171.212.60 ( talk) 00:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Handhelds aren't consoles at all. Neither the PSP nor the DS really belong here.-- 72.200.213.177 ( talk) 06:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
To tell you the truth you DO have a point! But ya know what i mean Gameboy would be third gen Neo Geo Pocket would be forth and Advanced Pico Beena would be fifth so i guess that is how it works. Mcjakecool Mcjakeqcool ( talk) 19:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
But still, it's got no 7th Gen technology. A touch screen isn't all that fancy. Plus, the old one is big and bulky and old. I still think it's not 7th Gen.
If you're going by power, the Wii is in the same range of power as the Xbox (actually less powerful than the xbox) and thus should go with the 6th gen. However, as the consensus is that generation is rated by date, not power, the wii is a seventh generation console. This might run into problems in the future however, as the playstation 3 is stated to have a longer expected lifespan than the 360. Over time makers may have no direct link between release dates. This might want to be considered in defining generations. 24.187.148.32 ( talk) 04:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Without going into console wars, thats not a true statement. While the clockspeed of the PS2 was 1/3rd of the Xbox's that doesn't mean it has one third the power. The xbox was a superior system, but not dramatically superior, due to massive differences in architecture. Letting the media define a gen is a poor plan as the media feeds off the general consensus of the people. Is wikipedia not a place where the consensus should be made first, and then the media feed off of the people? If there is a predefined policy that states otherwise, I am unaware of it, but would love to be enlightened. 24.187.148.32 ( talk) 09:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I definitely believe we need a better definition of the generations and their standard. Time does play a factor, and so does the media and the populace. Power, graphics, formatting...these things are slowlyg mattering less and less with each generation. If you look at each system from each generation, you'll notice many similarities between the gameplay. From controller design to in-game interactions, these systems are virtually the same. What these new generations are doing differently to set themselves apart is the Gamer's interaction within the console. XBox has given a level of interaction between gamers and their games an unpresidented edge over the other systems with XBox live. PlayStation added motion sensing to their controllers to involve their players more and their decision to use Blu-Ray discs was not to make more stuff in the game, but more depth within the game to suck in players and give them more satisfying gaming experiences. Nintendo ignored graphics and power altogether and brought an insane level of interaction with the player and the game that older, younger, and non-gamer people go out of their way to buy a game console just to lean from left to right and swing a controller around. Even though the PSP doesn't have breakthrough technology or controls, but allowing the wi-fi connectivity to allow complete strangers to game together on the spot brings an independence unachievable through other systems. The DS may not be the latest greatest thing around and a touch screen is pretty ancient as far as technology goes. But using the touch screen to game allows the player to feel more involved with the game. The 7th generation of gaming consoles AND portable consoles all share the same desire and ability to change not the hardware or methods of a game, but to change the way we game. And this is just the beginning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tren Frost ( talk • contribs) 00:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
The Wii is an overclocked Gamecube and is not a 7th gen machine. The PS2, lower powered than the Xbox or not, still offered capabilities beyond the last console, which the Wii does not do because it is just an overclocked Gamecube with a controller. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.115.236.120 ( talk) 21:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Should the Vii be included, or are there many other Famiclones in this generation that should then be included as well? The Seventh Taylor ( talk) 21:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
MAybe we should include the console war... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.79.140 ( talk) 23:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
The page is starting to get rather long, so I would suggest an archive up to and including "Sales Standings." If there are no objections, I will archive the page by Tuesday. Laptopdude ( talk) 15:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I think we should add current price to the comparison table. It will give readers a better idea on how the consolemakers position themselves on the market today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueblister ( talk • contribs) 03:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Should this article not be called History of video game systems (seventh generation) ? Handhelds are not consoles. xenocidic ( talk) 14:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
“ | A video game console, especially as opposed to a handheld. | ” |
Can someone tell me why VG Gartz is not a relaible source for sales figures? Thanks. Seanor3 ( talk) 15:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
It starts off with the headline about the consoles and the goes right into mid-article about XBox without the title or beginning of it. If you try to edit it you see that it's there in the editing section but there's nothing I can seem to do to make what appears in the edit section appear on the page itself. -- 67.165.141.239 ( talk) 21:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I came to this article expecting to find a clear explanation of what characteristics qualify a video game console as belonging to the "seventh generation." Instead, all I see are comparisons of various video game consoles that are generally deemed to belong to this group. Unfortunately, this does nothing to explain what sets these apart from sixth generation machines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.23.57 ( talk) 06:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Worldwide must mean Worldwide minus US and Japan, but it doesn't say that. In the worldwide sales for XBox 360, PS3, Wii the numbers can not be the worldwide sales. Is there anyway to change this without having to write too much? 142.165.59.39 ( talk) 00:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, my understanding of memory isn't that great, but the article currently says Wii has 91MB total of RAM. I think it may be in error. Someone please verify.
24.180.171.1 (
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The Wii does in fact have 91 MB of ram to the best of our knowledge. Many of the specs of the Nintendo Wii are only estimates, as no manufacturer specs have been officially released. While testing has been done by third parties, it was anonymously done so the reliability of it is dubious at best. To the best of our knowledge, the wii does sport 91 MB of RAM, but no truly reliable source can be given for this, only the fact that Nintendo has allowed this to be believed.
24.187.148.32 (
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06:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I added an update template to the milestone games for a few simple reasons:
I'm really busy right now, but I might do some stuff to it tomorrow.-- haha169 ( talk) 05:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Ahh...yes, and also:
Not really. Milestone titles aren't just titles that largely affected future games. They are also titles that have affected a large amount of modern events. For example, Halo 3 had been shown on various CNN and other TV network news stations. Super Smash Brawl had a midnight Gamestop tournament.
Technologically, Wii Sports created a whole new platform of movement while playing, while Call of Duty 4 is a breakthrough in graphics. -- haha169 ( talk) 21:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
It says there is a request for a screenshot. What kind of screenshot are we looking for, here? -- haha169 ( talk) 23:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I believe this article to be biased toword nintendo and the wii. For example:
“ | BioShock (Xbox 360, PC) is considered a major influential and artistic game of this generation[108][109] with a plot that quickly created controversy with the decisions the player makes during the game.[110] | ” |
“ | Halo 3 (Xbox 360) broke many first day records, including preorders (1.7 million+), and first day sales (US$170 million+), surpassing its predecessor, Halo 2, in both of these fields.[111][112] It created a breakthrough in artificial intelligence technology, making the enemy, Al, a strong figure. However, the player's allies could easily be considered to be far poorer in intelligence quality.[113][114] | ” |
“ | Super Mario Galaxy (Wii), currently one of the most critically acclaimed title of the seventh generation, sold more copies in its first week, including over 500,000 in the US, than any other game for the Mario title in the history of the franchise.[115] It is second only to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time as the overall best-reviewed game of all-time, as listed on Game Rankings.[116] | ” |
“ | Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) is a product of a landmark joint cooperation between former rival companies, Nintendo and Sega, along with the help of Konami.[117] [118] It is the third in a series of cross-over fighting game and is the first Wii game to strongly support online play.[119] It dominated sales during both Japan and North American release dates, selling 850,000 in its first week in Japan and 1.4 million in North America.[120][121] | ” |
“ | Wii Sports (Wii) has been attributed as a major factor in the Wii's worldwide success.[122] The game, along with Wii Fit, has been cited as attracting more casual, female, and elderly gamers.[123] This is a rarity among seventh generation games, as developers tend to try and attract young males.[124] It has also been cited as one game that can provide a bonding experience among family members,[125] and as a means of exercising and losing weight when played regularly.[126] As of December 31, 2007, the game has sold 17.85 million copies worldwide—including bundled copies, making it the best-selling Wii game published by Nintendo.[127] | ” |
Hey, if you want, you can add verified criticisms of the Wii games (but don't over-do it), and you could add some more positive things for 360, and maybe add an obvious PS3 milestone title. One whole reason why there are more Wii games is because of the Wii's nature of being the only console to be based on in-game motion. There isn't that much to talk about graphics, except that the graphics are "quite amazing". Remember, be bold and edit the article yourself. But its good that you pointed it out, I'll see what I can do. -- haha169 ( talk) 23:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
As a nintendo fanboy I'd like to agree that this part is too biased toward Nintendo. I play Smash bros. brawl for hours each day right now and I still don't think it's influential to this generation - it's just a popular franchise brought to its next obvious iteration. Smash-brothers-now-with-internets might be tons of fun, but it's hardly influential. It might have broken a few wii specific sales records, but it hardly changes the way video games get designed (like Galaxy or Bioshock do), nor does it demonstrate a specifically earth-shattering market performance, (like Halo 3 does and GTA 4 probably will). On the other hand, I don't see the "controversy" statement about Bioshock as negative at all, but I'm the sort of person who assumes any popular artwork that also sparks controversy is a good candidate for "influential." 70.171.212.60 ( talk) 00:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC
Pjh3000, don't make stuff up if you're going to add titles to the "Milestone titles" section, like what you did with
Gears of War, which was a blatant copy and paste of Halo 3's text and references. 90.9 million+ preorders for Gears of War? And when was Gears of War the successor to Halo 2? --
Silver Edge (
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Update Actually, I took a quick scan through Bioshock and it seems interesting. But I think someone needs to expand it. -- haha169 ( talk) 04:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC) Response to the IP - the Brawl section actually says a bit about how it was influential to the seventh generation, not just sales numbers. -- haha169 ( talk) 04:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
You can take them both out if you want, but it says, and I quote: "Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) is a product of a landmark joint cooperation between former rival companies, Nintendo and Sega, along with the help of Konami...and is the first Wii game to strongly support online play." The second one probably isn't too important, but a joint cooperation between Nintendo and Sega, when they were bitter rivals in the 3rd-6th gen consoles is quite an important factor. -- haha169 ( talk) 22:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, no. Don't remove it. Sega+Nintendo partnership is a major event in the seventh generation video game history. -- haha169 ( talk) 22:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Bioshock still needs expansion. Anybody up for it? And I still need to watch that commercial with audio...-- haha169 ( talk) 03:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I can't answer easily to somebody who doesn't even know how to sign their signature. (Its ~~~~, by the way). I'd really like for you to point out any faults listed in the other games. Please, do so. Plus, its milestone titles, so we aren't really supposed to be writing negatives about games, are we? And finally, if you were the person who added that horribly written piece about Brawl's disc error, I suggest you put it here and let other editors correct your grammar before actually posting it. -- haha169 ( talk) 02:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, I'm quite curious as to why you singled out Brawl. It is perhaps the one game on the list with least POV. It states only facts, and why it is important. Landmark joint cooperation, first Wii game to fully support online gaming, and sold dot dot dot... Why did you single it out? I'm curious. -- haha169 ( talk) 02:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Not a lot needs to be said about it, but I think it's significant that this generation is the first to see major consoles offering different versions of themselves at launch and beyond. We might not think too much about it now, but I think it will be remembered that this generation is the first to see widespread acceptance of all demographics, and the fact that the consoles have been parsed to meet different practical and economic uses is indicative of that. (My analysis, of course, shouldn't be part of the article - I'm just trying to convince you all that is IS important). 70.171.212.60 ( talk) 00:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure, but I think the key phrase in my post was "at launch." There were also multiple versions of the gameboy advance, nes, snes, genesis, etc, but those were mostly just ongiong manufacturing changes. 70.171.212.60 ( talk) 00:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that there is already some mention about this in the article. If you want, you can go find more to add from the PS3, Xbox 360, or Nintendo DS articles. Just don't fluff it up too greatly.-- haha169 ( talk) 04:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
hey, pjh, the section with Resistance uses "publicity" in the intro, though it doesn't really make much sense in the sentence. Do you mean "publicly" or something of that nature? Or do you mean it helped publicity due to ....? -- haha169 ( talk) 03:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I say we get rid of Gears of war on the milestone list. It didn't do that much that would have a legacy(hence milestone). All it did was get on the top ten list and ON THE DAY IT WAS REALEASED ONLY was it the number one played on xbox live. ANy objections? If not I will remove it soon PandaSaver ( talk) 00:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)PandaSaver
Hi there. Just responding to the request for assessment for this article at WikiProject Video Games. There's a lot of work that's gone into this article that's clear to see. There are some recommendations that I've made below that I think will improve the article further.
Other than these issues, it's some good work. I'm happy to regrade to B-Class. With further work, it'd be worth getting a peer review before pushing for GA or A-Class. Well done! Gazimoff ( talk) 20:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Should Grand Theft Auto IV be added for a milestone video game? It has sold countless copies and was given 10/10 by many reviewers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.7.176 ( talk) 10:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The top row of the chart comparing the PS3, 360, and Wii has misleading prices. It shows prices at the launch of many derivative SKUs that were launched 1 or 2 years after the initial launch of the console. Therefore it's actually not conveying any useful information. IMO the only prices shown in the top row should be the configurations that were available at the initial launch of the console; a big part of the story of this generation of consoles is price differential between the 3 systems; and listing every single SKU that has appeared since the initial launch just totally obscures this important aspect, since the prices are now all over the place. Probably best solution is to create another row in the chart for the *initial* versions that were available and their prices. Then another row can have subsequent versions. Sorry, not time to fix it myself right now. Tempshill ( talk) 16:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
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PS3 now supports DTS-HD Master Audio and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio for Blu-Ray discs since the release of system software update 2.30. You can use this site for reference: http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/SystemUpdate -- LF2 ( talk) 00:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Added audio output for PS3 v2.40 before it even came out. I added a little footnote stating this is as of 2.40 and my citation refers to the ps3 systme software article.-- A. Rafey ( talk) 00:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Gizmondo be on this page somewhere? Even if it is just under the "other systems" section... and while we're at it, what about the second-gen N-Gage, which is listed on its article as seventh-gen? - rst20xx ( talk) 13:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Well yes, i agree! Gizmondo should definitely be on the Seventh Gen, but the N-Gage is definitely a sixth gen console. Unless your speaking about the QD? But then Game Boy Micro, GBA SP. Sorry can't help you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcjakeqcool ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Since when does Xbox 360 play DivX/Xvid???? 76.69.168.223 ( talk) 05:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
The intro talks about the PSP's connectivity with the internet, PS3's and other PSP's, and how the DS has outsold it despite lacking these features. The DS's connectivity to the Wii, other DS's and the internet (through the DS Browser and Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection) is completely left out. Maybe it's not a bias, but it's definitely lacking important information. -
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I'm just wondering should MGSIV be considered a milestone. It's now one of the few titles to get a perfect score on IGN, Gamespot, and Famitsu as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.26.155 ( talk) 02:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
This should be updated. Wasn't Grand Theft Auto IV the bestselling game for one of the consoles? -- 71.225.85.57 ( talk) 20:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit on the High definition video section which implied that the 360 can't output 1080p. Having just re-read the cited article, I've realised that nowhere does it say that the 360 can output 1080p. It does say that it supports "up to 1080p" TVs (this is not the same thing), and that it can output up to 1920 x 1080 (p/i not specified) but not that it can actually output in "1080p". I'm not saying that it's not true, but I can't find a reliable source confirming that the 360 does this. Can someone please update this? ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 15:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
These final 2 sections need to be much more than simple galleries of products. I can't even imagine why they were added like that.-- 221.143.25.19 ( talk) 10:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
If possible, (it is getting a bit crowded down there) but there are three game for the DS that could be considered milestones at the moment, Nintendogs, New Super Mario Bros., and Pokemon Diamond and Pearl versions (also the 3 or 4 (depending on how you view Pokemon) best selling games on the system.) I don't really know the PSP but I'm sure that someone can think of some 71.164.201.42 ( talk) 01:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't see the reasoning behind the PS3 not being listed with the available platforms. It is being released on the PS3, therefore it should be there. I don't why there's a dispute. The reasoning behind it being a "milestone title" is because it is "considered a major influential and artistic game of this generation" and because it has a "plot that quickly created controversy with the decisions the player makes during the game". Why would this be any different on the PS3 version? The article makes no mention of it's graphics or control system which could be the only difference on the PS3, if there are any. Please discuss here before making the edit again, which smells suspiciously of fanboyism ;) ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 18:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
There is some talk of whether the Pandora (listed under "Other Systems") will be 7th or 8th gen. It is viewed as being the successor to the GP2X, which is 7th gen, and will have hardware considerably more powerful than any of the other handhelds. And considering the fact that it has not even been relased yet, I'm removing the reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PlopperZ ( talk • contribs) 12:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Well yes, you do have a VERY good point! The Pandora has been releaced in the middle of the Seventh Gen era but it still could be Eighth. Let's think back a while TG-16 in 87 FM Towns in 91 well it could cut it as eigth. Good thinking! mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool ( talk) 19:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
The Pandora shouldn't be listed yet anyway, it's an upcoming system, not a current one.
Masqueofhastur 20 December 2008 —Preceding
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15:39, 20 December 2008 (UTC).
Agreed that it shouldnt be listed. The gizmondo should also be listed if this is.-- Deathtrap3000 ( talk) 05:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I think that it would be useful to have sales figures for Europe, Does anyone know a reliable source to get this data from? m-surtees ( talk) 08:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree, the data can be found at http://vgchartz.com, and the Eurozone is a big enough market to deserve a mention, with sales comparable to those in the USA (Wii 10341858, PS3 6189818, Xbox 360 5837109 - Source http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons[]=Wii&cons[]=PS3&cons[]=X360®[]=UK®[]=France®[]=Germany®[]=Spain®[]=Italy®[]=Scandinavia®[]=Other+Europe&start=38662&end=39698). However, I have no experience of altering sortable tables in Wikipedia. If someone could modify the able it wouldbe appreciated Colostomyexplosion ( talk) 14:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
There has not been an update on the 360 since 25th April 2008. Why? Surely the 360 has extended it's lead on the overpriced ps3, and caught up on the dominant Wii. Mcjakeqcool (360 all the way) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcjakeqcool ( talk • contribs) 19:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
What are some upcoming consoles that have yet been released? I currently have listed PlayStation 3 (160 GB) and PSP-3000 series. – Wiki131wiki ( talk) 21:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
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There are two 80 GB versions of the PS3, so the earlier one is now identified as the 80GB (2007 version) and the newer one is identified as the 80GB (2008 version). I have also added some bits from the 160GB PS3. And MGS4 shipped 3.94 million rather than just 3 million. I also added Life with PlayStation with Folding@Home in the Network section, I wonder why Folding@Home wasn't added before? Ffgamera ( talk) 11:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
* Xbox 360 controller (up to four controllers; any combination of a maximum of 3 wired [4 with the use of a USB hub] or 4 wireless) * Xbox 360 Wireless Racing Wheel * Scene It Trivia Controller * Xbox S-Controller/Duke Controller Via Adapter
I was wondering who put this in, after seeing this I got fairly excited because i'm planning on getting a 360 soon, and I was fairly sure original xbox controllers weren't compatible with Xbox 360, ANYWAY...
I did some google searching (very light, mostly shopping websites) to see if such a thing existed, all I found was either guides for modding the controller to work with a USB cable or pre-modded cords for the use.
I would like to challenge the validity of this accessory, because it looks to me not to be an official Microsoft product (which are the only products we should list on the 360 page or the comparison chart)
If anyone has anything to prove that Microsoft creates such an accessory, or it is an official third-party accessory (such as Madcatz, Pelican, Etc. Etc.) then please reply to this, if enough time passes without any solid evidence, I recommend deleting that part.
Respectfully submitted, Alec92 ( talk) 19:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Unsure whether percentages claimed in this edit are accurate. Unsure of remaining changes done in edit also. -- Oscarthecat ( talk) 19:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
The stats need to be updated for the nintedo DS.
The japanese nintendo site has most of the specs there already. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/dsi.html (go there and pick the rightmost tab and click a little button on the flash that says specs in Japanese. -- penubag ( talk) 05:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The link we have is way out of date for Motorstorm. Off-hand, MGS4 came to mind.
http://kotaku.com/5033383/metal-gear-solid-4-is-a-giant-angry-sales-pac+man-ships-394m-copies
What do you think? 70.131.211.219 ( talk) 13:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I feel the iPod Touch should be included under other consoles. I have tried this before, but someone removed it saying "The article is for devices with the main purpose being games.
The thing is, they are advertising it as a gaming device, Apple executives refer to it as the future of handheld gaming. If the iPod Touch cannot be on this list then neither can the Sega Vision, which exists as a PMP, not with the main purpose being games.
I am adding the iPod Touch to the list again. Anyone who disagrees can talk to me about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikizeta ( talk • contribs) 04:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
The itouch is a system with multiple purposes just as the PSP has multiple uses. Its architectures is powerful and sophisticated enough to put it in the same league as the DS in terms of capability. It belongs with the consoles.
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How many phones have a more powerful and sophisticated architecture then Iphone? Include them all or remove the Iphone 84.39.114.68 ( talk) 15:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
It's completely stupid to put Iphone here. It's a PHONE not a portable gaming console! wow it plays MP3... How many phones have the ability to play mp3? I known thousands of them. How many phones have the ability to play games? Thousands. Why is just Iphone listed? marketing? publicity? Iphone fan boys work? If you put Iphone in this article you have also to put every other phone with similar features like the nokia nseries for example. They have a LOT more games available. In fact they can even use emulators. I use my N95 like a portable gaming console. Yes it has limited capabilities compared to the portable gaming consoles because it's a MOBILE PHONE not a gaming console! In fact I have both Iphone and N95 and I have hundreds more games for the N95. But that's just ONE example. REMOVE Iphone or include every other phone capable of playing games like thousands of Symbian OS phones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.39.114.68 ( talk) 15:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Whoever added that is doing it Wrong, specially for the OS part, learn to edit the Wiki, guys —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.119.103.190 ( talk) 03:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Wait, if the IPod touch can't be included as a 7th gen gaming system because it plays movies, then the 360 and PS3 should be taken out because they can stream Netflix or play Blu-Ray! Jdkessler ( talk) 18:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I think the key point is that most in production phones have similar features to the iPhone, so if we put the iPhone in, we should include every similarly equipped phone too. I think maybe a line in the handheld section about how some of the market has been taken over by other media players or something would be the most mention the iPhone deservers. 86.171.28.48 ( talk) 15:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree. The iPhone, while new and very advanced, has very similar features to just about every modern phone today. One cannot justify adding the iPhone without adding the rest. I think adding a section or at least a comment in the handheld section about the gaming similarities of cell phones, but they themselves are not handheld consoles. The main argument though is how the product is advertised. The iPhone is a cell phone that just happens to play games. When was the last time you went to GameStop or EB Games to buy an iPhone of iPod? Same with consoles. Do you look for a PS3 in the DVD player section or a laptop computer in the video game section? The important thing is how the product is marketed and advertised, not its capabilities. If we classified by uses and capabilities, then MP3 players, cell phones, computers, consoles, handhelds, and even many DVD players would all be classified under the video game console section. Tren Frost ( talk) 01:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Major game developers are creating video games designed around the architecture of the iPhone, which differentiates it from other cell phones or similar multi-use products such as palms, blackberrys etc. The games being developed are not run of the mill standardized games which have been ported to mobile devices in every generation but rather fully fledged games in their own right. Both the Spore and SIMCITY series have iterations on the iPhone. In addition, it has a significantly faster clock speed than either the PSP or the DS. Its capabilities and the fact that game developers see fit to develop games for it (not just ports) justify it's inclusion as a 7th gen system. 155.246.142.129 ( talk) 23:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Since the DS has many new features that not Original Style DS or DS Lite had, like audio file playback, video playback, in-built download function for games, a interface, the removal of the GBA-port etc., I think that it's notable enough for it's own "part" and not it's details being included in the DS/DS Lite one, since DSi has, as mentioned, many features, own games, and has changed drastically. More drastically than Game Boy to Game Boy Color. But before I go ahead and change the article, what do you think?
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Metal Gear Solid 4 and LittleBIGplanet must be included on "milestone titles" section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.100.203.152 ( talk) 23:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Why? Whats so special about LittleBigPlanet? -- Deathtrap3000 ( talk) 06:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Can we talk about 64, 128 and other bit processors in seventh console generation like we could in previous generations? -- Artman40 ( talk) 17:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Back then processor power was largely based on what bit the processor was. These days that's simply not true, and most processors are 32 bit.
The NDSi is not an 8th gen console, but when will the 8th gen come out, rumors for the xbox 2010, a whole new handhelled! And PS4. Rumors stated E3 will announce something at its E3 09 Press Conference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.42.93 ( talk) 07:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
http://www.pre-order-ps3.co.uk/ps3_specification.asp http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46782 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariex ( talk • contribs) 07:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is this listed as an online service in the comparison table??? Its like having youtube listed. I vote for removing it from the list.-- Deathtrap3000 ( talk) 05:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
The article doesn't explain what defines "7th generation" and what authorities use this term. The only reference I can see which for the term "7th generation" is the first reference in the article (this one [2])... which in turn references this wikipedia article!! So that's a circular reference and doesn't count as a WP:RS. So... the article has no reliable sources for the term "7th generation", and obviously needs some. p.s. other "generation" articles have the same problem: There is no cite in the 6th generation article either. The 5th generation article does try define 5th generation, but the section is entirely unreferences and is written like WP:OR. Peter Ballard ( talk) 02:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Current cumulative unit sales for US are listed up to beginning of November, but NPD Group (the recognized source for this sort of sales information) released unit sales for all of November. These releases, though, only list the sales for each given month and not the cumulative sum. Is it okay to keep the up-to-Nov/01 citation and add a citation that references the new month's sales and then just change the number to the sum of the two?
That probably sounds like a dumb question, but doing the above becomes a bit of a problem wrt sales in Japan. This article currently lists sales up to early October, but there are two primary recognized organizations reporting unit sales every week ( Media Create and Enterbrain/ Famitsu). Using these (and, as with NPD, this data is the source material for the press releases and articles written by the console makers -- including their quarterly reports -- and the various news organizations covering game sales), we have verifiable data up until the 4th of January. But this would require adding twenty-two citations (from the currently-listed August 1st 2008) unless newer "up until now" recap articles are found.
What's the cleanest way of handling this?
(also, should there be a "Handheld sales standings" section? Or is the Handheld section still being considered for its own article?)
Jcholewa ( talk) 18:28, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Altough the Xbox 360 sales were last updated on the 5th Jan, it appears that the PS3 and Wii have not been updated since the 30th September last year, can someone please update this, thankyou mcjakeqcool. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool ( talk) 13:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Evidence that 50 million Wii's have been manufactured http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ati-hollywood-nintendo-wii,7249.html And evidence that 100 million DS's have been shipped. http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Nintendo-DS-100-Million,news-3603.html Jab416171 ( talk) 01:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
This has been bugging me for some time. Is there any credible information on 8th generation consoles? I understand that there have been discussions about a Wii2 and the the PS4 is already being designed, but has there been any realeased information thats completely viable, or at least some information on when the concept designs of the 8th gen. consoles will be reavealed?-- TheNuGai ( talk) 04:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Same here. My question is, what would they call the new xbox...the xbox 720?-- TheNuGai ( talk) 03:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
360 * 2 = 720 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.72.242 ( talk) 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
The PSP worldwide sales have not been updated since 20.8.08 surely that's a cause for concern, because with the 2008 holiday season unless it has been discounied, it would have had more units sold, and also the Gizmondo 2 is a concern as I feel it should be listed upon the upcoming less popular handhelds section alongside with the GP2X Wiz and Pandora, this should be changed, I will atempt to change it but if what I've changed is wrong, than someone else sould change it. Regards, mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool ( talk) 18:49, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I am very happy with this article, in the past couple of months it has improved greatly. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool ( talk) 13:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned about the statement "The Xbox 360's advantage over its competitors has been its quantity and quality of titles." This seems partly inaccurate and partly subjective.
With respect to quantity, is there a citation for this? I did a quick grep of the List of Wii games and List of Xbox 360 games articles (just a dirty accounting of every table row, not exhaustively looking for currently released titles), and I came up with 579 for the Xbox 360 and 797 for the Wii. Surely, if we have a conflict with another Wikipedia article, we either have to revise/remove/qualify the above statement or add the missing Xbox 360 titles.
With respect to quality, we're heading into subjective territory. Even aggregated review scores are subjective, given that certain games that are considered of the highest quality by the most mainstream market segment were given comparatively low scores by gaming publications (Nintendo's own Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Wii Play come to mind, scoring 76, 80 and 58 respectively on metacritic), and even in the dedicated gamer audience, there are some niche games for any systems carrying labels such as "game of the forever!", games which those players would consider superior in quality to the entirety of competing systems' libraries combined.
The statement would be better if "quantity" was removed and "quality" replaced with the more literally accurate "higher average review scores", such as "The Xbox 360's advantage over its competitors has been its games' higher average review scores." - Jcholewa ( talk) 15:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
The sentence should say "The Xbox 360's advantage over its competitors has been its quantity of quality titles."-- Deathtrap3000 ( talk) 23:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
On a article like this, It's not the review scores of the games that counts, but the amount of games that counts. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool ( talk) 10:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out this discussion which is taking place at List of best-selling video games. Essentially, there is not currently a reliable source which states that MGS4 has sold more than Motorstorm and therefore Motorstorm is still the PS3's best-selling game. If you wish, please join the discussion there instead of replying to this comment as the result of the discussion may affect several articles. It's easier to keep all discussion in one place. Cheers. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 09:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
The article states that the wii is compatable with most Gamecube accesories. So which ones is it not compatable with? 69.151.242.190 ( talk) 22:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This is mentioned in the final statement of the 3rd paragraph in the XBOX 360 section. However the 2 referencing links (19 and 20) don't seem to support the argument. 19 is an article about how the PS3 is not more difficult to program on, and 20 is mostly speculative and written 8 month before the launch of the console. If this statment is true, is it possible to get some proper references? `Urseye —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.236.25.194 ( talk) 15:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I am not sure if it is true or not. I am just pointing out that the referenced sites don't support the argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Urseye ( talk • contribs) 07:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
This section is primarily to discuss as to what extent the iPhone OS should be included in this article. Someone had posted a section to discuss the inclusion of the iPod Touch here, but the discussion was in the absolute wrong direction because it was never focused on what the true gaming platform is–iPhone OS. Why is it important to differentiate? Because both hardware and operating system are not one in the same here. In the video game world, we're used to lumping them into the same category because of the highly proprietary nature of the OS these game systems run on, but again it's not the case here. The iPhone/iPod touch and iPhone OS combination is something that the video game world has not really seen yet, and that's why we're having problems classifying it. There are both arguments for the inclusion of the iPhone OS as a video game console (albeit a virtual one, maybe more similar to the current iteration of N-Gage), and there are arguments against it. I want to present some signs of both to get the ball rolling. Sorry it's so long, but it's really a deep subject.
So what are some of the signs we're seeing that would disqualify it from being considered as a video game console? Some arguments I've seen are:
How about arguments for the iPhone OS as a console? These are signs that we've not seen on other mobile platforms besides the DS and PSP:
Again, I'm sorry for the length of this, but it's a long topic. Please post your thoughts. Brianreading ( talk) 20:33, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I do not believe that the iPhone, iPod Touch or even their OS can be classed as a 7th generation video game console. Their primary purpose is that of a mobile phone and a media player respectively. The difference between this platform and "traditional" games consoles, such as the Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii, is that those devices are primarily for playing games; the media capabilites all deliver added value and a better consumer experience, but ultimately the core purpose is gaming. I will agree that Apple's approach represents a milestone, but I think that the same can be said of previous iPod iteration - Apple are managing to do what everyone else has been trying to do, and doing it a lot better than the competition. However any other modern mobile phone platform is capable of achieving the same (albeit with a lot of money behind them). Take Windows Mobile Pocket PC phones as an example; the hardware is of comparable power to the iPhone/iPod Touch, if not more powerful, and many devices feature dedicated 3D graphics hardware. The operating system is not nearly as intuitive, but is much more mature. But because the market is so fractured and diverse, it makes it very difficult to find good content - especially games - which is where Apple have excelled. Having said that, that is only the current situation; Microsoft's plans for the next iteration of the Windows Mobile platform includes a distribution system similar to that of the App Store for the iPhone/Touch or Google Android. It remains to be seen whether or not it will be as successful however.
I think we are starting to reach, or approach, that Holy Grail of digital convergence (much as I hate the term). I believe that the lines between what a device "is" or is designed to do are going to almost disappear in the coming years, and arguments such as these are going to become more and more difficult. Blcollier ( talk) 08:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I changed it to that since its shows on the IGN article for the 360 selling 1 Mil in Japan. link is here P.S. Who changed the 360 to 8 Mil? Thats biased. -- CeAH ( talk) 18:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
How is the PSP's ability to be used as a PS3 controller "Backwards Compatability"? Shouldn't it be re-classed as something else? Doomphil ( talk) 17:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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