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Doubt about the dates
Are we sure that this type of award has only existed since 2019 and not previously? On Ibrahimovic's page he is reported as the winner in some months of 2008,2009 and 2012. In particular, his victory in January 2012 can be easily seen by looking for an article from those times in the "Corriere dello Sport" with an attached photo of Zlatan holding the award.
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QPQ: - Not done Overall: @
Dr Salvus: Good article. However, i feel as if there needs to be more citations before this proceeds. The end of the second paragraph and third paragraph needs a citation. Multiple winners, awards won by club, and awards won by nationality also need citations.
Onegreatjoke (
talk)
15:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)reply
RoySmith,
WP:CALC 2.0. You can see the source and notice only those two won the trophy. If you see the source, you can make four calculations and obtain the info. Couldn't find anything that says the textual words.
DrSalvus17:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry, that's not a good enough citation. Even with your hints I can't find the information to support the stated fact. If you can't come up with a better citation for this, you'll need to write a different hook. --
RoySmith(talk)16:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)reply
The source does say who won the trophies and in what month they did. If you read the entire list of winners, you'll see my hook is supported.
DrSalvus16:41, 1 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Here from
WT:DYK – I understand the dispute is about the veracity of the source, but something else jumped out at me while I was reading this. Even if the sources say what Dr Salvus says they do, it'd still be SYNTH to arbitrarily group the winners into various time periods. It's a form of interpretation – it makes some of the awards seem more special than they are, but it's doing that based off of primary sources. For that kind of analysis, I'd argue that secondary sources are needed, and
WP:CALC wouldn't cover it. Off to investigate the sources now, will return shortly.
theleekycauldron (
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contribs) (she/her)
20:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Okay, so it does seem like the table checks out – Gómez and Ronaldo both have two MVP wins in 2020 (I'm not sure why the sub-awards aren't listed), one under the 2019–2020 season and one under the 2020–2021 season. I assume that's what Dr Salvus was driving for?
theleekycauldron (
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contribs) (she/her)
20:17, 1 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Some thoughts. Firstly, the date sorting in the table is set up wrong; it needs to be based on
Template:Date table sorting to produce meaningful output. Secondly, and more importantly, I believe that the sourcing for the hook is good enough. The first table is sourced and whilst sourcing is indirect, everything can be traced back to a reference and beyond that,
WP:CALC is a reasonable argument. That said, thirdly I need to point out that the article currently fails rule D2 of
the supplementary guidelines. We cannot have unsourced sections. The sources need to be repeated for the bottom three tables. Schwede6601:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Request for immediate close. This list article has now been tagged because it does not include any independent secondary sources. It currently only cites Lega Serie A (primary source) and a re-published press release from Electronic Arts and Lega Serie A announcing the new EA SPORTS Player of the Month Award (not independent). @
Dr Salvus: As a matter of urgency, please look for secondary sources discussing the Serie A Player of the Month Award to satisfy the notability guidelines at
WP:NLIST; otherwise this list may be nominated for deletion, and these days there doesn't seem to be a lot of support for these types of lists, even among members of WikiProject Football.
Cielquiparle (
talk)
07:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)reply
I've abandoned this article and its FL nomination but more in general, I've left Wikipedia for a while. Do whatever you want with the article.
DrSalvus22:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)reply
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