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In the collage picture add Karl Malden and Milla Jovovic as well as Bora Milutinovic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.86.144.128 ( talk) 01:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
The number of Serbs in Slovenia is definitely not 38964 + 18000 erased. First, the 18000 "erased" inhabitants of Slovenia (i.e., citizens of other ex-Yugoslav republics who failed to apply for either residence permit or citizenship and were subsequently "erased" from the official registry in 1992) were not only Serbs, but also Bosniaks, Croats, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Albanians etc. Second, practically all of the "erased" have either taken care for their status since then (i.e. obtained citizenship/residence permit) or have left Slovenia. Most of the "erased" remaining in Slovenia were therefore already included in the 2002 census. So, the upper bound for the number of Serbs in Slovenia is about 40000. The number of almost 60000, suggested by the article, is therefore a misinformation and a gross overestimate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.235.183.141 ( talk) 09:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Serbia with over a 100 other countries sees Kosovo as a province. So that is why it is under Serbia in the population. Mike Babic ( talk) 22:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The serb population data is ridicolous. 83% are the Serbs in Serbia Ecluding Kossovo - which means 83% of 7.5 ml = 6 ml. Including Kossovo the population of Serbia is 10 ml and the percent of serbs - 60% —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.92.229.11 ( talk) 13:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
the Serb population in Serbia is 6.2 million...it should be remedied...8.3 milion? 83% of what? it is clearly wrong... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.145.11 ( talk) 11:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
If you include Kosovo then Serbs in Serbia are approximately 65% of the total population, without Kosovo 83%. iadrian ( talk) 09:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
My first notion here is that dispelling all your suspicions about number of Serbs in Serbia with and without Kosovo is promptly needed. According to the 2002. census conducted in Serbia excluding Kosovo,there were 6,212,838 Serbs (82.86 %) of 7,498,001 inhabitants. When Kosovo is included the number of inhabitants is put at 9.5 million,among which 6.4 million Serbs (around 200 thousands of Kosovo Serbs included) or 67 % of whole population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookey34 ( talk • contribs) 11:04, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Number of Serbs in the Netherlands is overestimated. Dutch Institute of statistics holds very specific data on 1st and 2nd generation of immigrants and for whole of the former Yugoslavia, the number does not reach 100.000 let alone 180.000 mentioned in this article. Anyone with common sense living in Holland knows that these numbers are simply not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.116.228.145 ( talk) 00:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
According to this Dutch Institute mentioned aboe there are actually around 35.000 Serbs in the Netherlands. I do not understand why the couple of thousend in Luxemburg are mentioned and not the significant number of Serbian people living in Holland. I would like to ask the administrator to add this to the section demographics. The info from the Dutch Statistics is available!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.123.151.238 ( talk) 09:01, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
802,000 Serbs in Brazil? Come on, this is a joke, right? The Serbian Wikipedia says about 2000. So I changed that. -- 80.133.188.228 ( talk) 10:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
There aren't 1,711,576 Serbs living in Bosnia. [ [1]] Following the latest release from the Republika Srpska government, there are 1,430,000~ Serbs living in Bosnia. A 300,000 increase of population is highly impracticable seeing as ~3,000-4,000 Serbs have been leaving Bosnia since the year 2003. Kalesija ( talk) 19:54, 19 December 2009 (EST)
Hence, I am putting a disputed tag on this section. Sideshow Bob 10:19, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Correct number of Serbs is given here http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/00/minifakta_en/en/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.202.68.209 ( talk) 01:15, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Of course in Norway, that was mine comment. what kind of comment is this "just got awful big all the sudden"???... number is not correct have a look the link and there u'll find right number 2807 in year 2010 (source SSB, Norway) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.16.226.251 ( talk) 12:56, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
ok. first click here http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/00/minifakta_en/en/
then, 3. Demographics, health and crime and finally, Immigrant population and Norwegian-born to immigrant parents
would be nice to have so much serbs here in norway, but it is not true —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.16.226.251 ( talk) 20:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afghan British (contains proposal for deletion of the British Serbs article). Badagnani ( talk) 04:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I just reverted one vandal who changed numbers in the Infobox, and in doing so I noticed that the Infobox data has 35 regions. Please note that the template used has a maximum of 31 regions, and is not changeable. Perhaps someone would like to re-structure the data to accommodate all the data? Ronhjones (Talk) 21:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Dustin in the coolest kid alive —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.66.198.224 ( talk) 17:16, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I believe a small Serbo-Austrian community exists in the town of Rust (Luzic) Burgenland, Austria. They have Slavonian-Serb ancestors whom migrated into Austria in the 16th century to escape the Ottoman Turks invasion of Slavonia (Croatia)/Northern Serbia. There isn't any mention nor an article devoted to the Austrian/Luzic Serbs, although an article of Estereicher, Bosnian-Austrians is available. If any chance the category broadly includes Luzic Serbs, but Germanization has nearly replaced the cultural identities of multi-generational Serbs living in Austria-Hungary. I checked out Wikipedia articles on Slavic peoples in Austria: Carinthian Slovenes and Burgenland Croats in case there was (but isn't any) references to Luzic Serbs or Serbian migration to Austria. + Mike D 26 ( talk) 12:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
native Thracian, Dacian and Illyrian tribes. Celtic tribes in the 3rd century BC, Roman colonization, Avar and Slav settlements. - signed by anon IP
The people of Duklja were called Serbs, Dukljans, Triballi, Dalmatians, even Croats by medieval sources. At least until recently, few historians would doubt that Dukljians were part of 'Serbdom'. However, middle age 'states' like Duklja/ Zeta and Raska/Serbia were dynastic realms and not nation-states like in modern times. What is undeniable is the religious, linguistic and culural similarities and the dynastic relations which linked the two regions. They were like two 'power centres' for the southern west Balkan Slavs. Hxseek ( talk) 03:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
hahaha what imagination... Sources with mention of Doclea were only saying about the Croats and Docleats in Doclea. No Serbs. It was Red Croatia (Southern Croatia), as well as White Croatia was Western Croatia. Serbian mythology lives on and on. God help us. 89.172.88.166 ( talk) 12:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Well, Skylitzes calls Voislav 'Ruler of Serbs'. The early modern, western scholar, Daniel Farlati, considered Duklja as one of the Serb statelets. How would you link a Byantine chronicler and an Italian historian with "Serbian mythology " ? Hxseek ( talk) 09:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Typical Greater Serbian metathesis!!! Vojislav lived in the 12th century, there was no Doclea anymore. And Skylitzes was already dead. Farlati's referrence is a Holy Spirit? Or maybe someone like Deretić? This article is full of lies, like that stupid map with "Serbian lands". Serbian lands? What is that if not Serbian mythology? Only sick nationalists are writing here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.148.232 ( talk) 09:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Can we please include Vlade Divac, Dejan Stanković, Novak Đoković, Jelena Janković, Rade Šerbedžija, Karl Malden, Holly Valance, or at least some of them?
Maybe Emir Kusturica too? Bojan7B ( talk) 16:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
He has said him self that he traced his family tree and that he saw that his family was serbian origin but they had changed to Islam because of the ˝political˝ times... SO in conclusion because he discovered his family was Serbian he declare him self a Serbian and changed his religion to Serbian Ortodox.... 213.198.232.226 ( talk) 11:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
But as we know, the ethnic group called "Bosniaks" started to exist because of the same reasons you state as reason why Kusturica should be listed as a Serb, because of people changing to Islam due to political reasons in the Medieval... or did Kusturica's family change to Islam much later? I highly doubt that. I don't think listing Kusturica as one of the most famous Serbs is correct, since he is clearly not an ethnic Serb, but only a self-proclaimed and nationalized Serb. If we list him as a Serb, we have to merge the articles "Serbs" and "Bosniaks". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayhemma ( talk • contribs) 23:38, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Can we please include Rushka Bergman and link to her page? She is a Fashion Editor of Italian L'Uomo Vogue and Vogue Italia, as well as former Personal Stylist to Michael Jackson and alumni of the University of Belgrade Faculty of Economics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.39.127.198 ( talk) 17:50, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Is Bregovic one of 12 most famous Serbs in our history? He is just a folk musician with bad taste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anps3 ( talk • contribs) 08:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
OK, Tesla was a Serb, i'll give u that, but Ivo Andric was ethnicly Croat! So why do u keep putting him where he doesn't belong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.202.117 ( talk) 23:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Andrić was born in ethnic Croat catholic family in Bosnia. He wrote in both Croatian and Serbian language and made tribute to the both cultures. But it is pretentious to call him a Serb. If you wanna be accurate you can call him Yugoslav, Yugoslav orientated Croat or or Yugoslav who was born Croat but call him a Serb is just wrong and isn't up to wikipedia standards...Greetings from Croatia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.22.34 ( talk) 13:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Shut up you st*?=d id+-t Ivo Andrić maybe was from a catholic family and yes he was a Croat but he declared himself a Serb and I think he is a Serb. I don't see why we (croats) try to make him look as a Croat when he declared the opposite, I myself think of him as a SERB because he gave up his Croatian ethnicity and degraded himself to a Serb, so if you put him on your image of famous Serbs, I and every other normal croat will not say anything of that, because when I asked everyone what do they think of Andrić they said that he was a SERB. Carib canibal ( talk) 11:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Andrić was neither a "Serb" nor a "Croat," but A Yugoslav. Paperoverman ( talk) 12:32, 2 April 2009 (EST)
Lol,,,. I know that the discussion happened a long time ago, but it doesn`t matter how Ivo Andric declared himself, that doesn`t change the fact that he was of Croat, Serbian, or any other EX-YU ethnicity. iadrian ( talk) 09:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Ivo Andric was a great, wise man, Nobel prize holder for literacy. He was citizen of the world. You still argue about stupid things. Wake up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.66.164.189 ( talk) 13:23, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I just want too say that he declared him self a Serb before his death i think he should be in both articles Croats and Serbs(we need to respect the mans wishes) 213.198.232.226 ( talk) 11:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
No we don't have to respect that...WE have to face the fact that people can't choose their own ethnicity... they can choose a nationality by accepting a new citizenship, but an Inuit can never suddenly become a Tanzanian, even if he really wishes for xD These articles ("Serbs", "Bosniaks", "Croats") are about the ethnicity, not about the nationality of being a Serb or Croat. So when we talk about ethnicity, Andric has nothing to do on the article about Serbs. He was an ethnic Croat, no matter what his own stance towards these people was. As we all know, family are the friends one cannot choose. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayhemma ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Quote: "Serbs (Serbian: Срби, Serbian Latinic: Srbi pronounced [ˈsr̩biː]) are a native Balkan South Slavic ethnic group."
How come that Serbs are a native to Balkan, when it's a common fact that Slavs migrated to Balkan region in the 7't century?... If here is taken on consideration the genetic material of Serbs then we can easily say that Americans are native to the North American continent because they assimilated native Indians so that in this way they can be considered native of Americas!!!yllbardh 02:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yllbardh ( talk • contribs)
So according to you Americans can as well be considered as natives of North America...lol...yllbardh 15:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yllbardh ( talk • contribs)
A native is really anyone who is born in a specific area or country where that individual or group of people continue to live. So, while those very first Serbs in the 7th century weren't native to the Balkans, their children and the generations born after certainly were and are. Thus, Serbs today are native to the Balkans. Buttons ( talk) 04:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
After this much time, yeah, they are "native." The whole area has been such a swirling whirlpool of races (as noted in the novel Dracula) that to speak of the "original" inhabitants of the area as the only natives is somewhat myopic, IMO. Note that the Slavs intermarried and were assimilated over time by the existing peoples, who adopted Slavic tongues. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 14:44, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
File:Europe 814.jpg has generated discussion on its talk page for being accurate. I would cite that it shows Serbian population extending into southern Greece. This is bound to generate heated debate at some point. It also seems to show ethnic and political distribution at the same time. Can we take it down for a different image? -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 18:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
No, it's not inaccurate for the brief period of time it covers (early 800s AD). "Occasional Slav tribes, continuing their southward movement, penetrated into Thessaly, while others even reached the Peleponnesus and actually took over and settled a considerable area of this venerable soil." -Ferdinand Schevill, A History of the Balkans; The map does not indicate a lasting presence, nor political organization. Ignatiusboethius ( talk) 14:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not really sure what does Ruđer Bošković do among all those Serbs in infobox, when he was a Croat Catholic priest? Neither Ivo Andrić...if he is Serb, than Nikola Tesla is Croat...or you will say that even Pope himself is Serb? :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.142.122.204 ( talk) 18:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Ruder Boskovic is an ethnic Serb. He just happened to be a Catholic priest. His name and family all suggest he was clearly an ethnic Serb.
Not his name but his ancestry is not Croat, nor he saw himself as such, one cannot depict all Catholic Slavs as Croats, in that case Poles, Slovaks, Czechs are also Croats, just because they are Catholics. There are Serbs which are Catholic or Muslim, however not Croats or Bosniaks, it is their religion, not their ethnicity.
The basic name, Serboi, originates in the works of Tacitus, Plinius and Ptolemy in the 1st and 2nd centuries, describing a people living north of the Caucasus. Following the migration into Central Europe, Serbs established a state called Sorbia (Belasrbia - White Serbia) in the 5th century. The term White Serbia (White Rus/White Ruthenia, Belarus) is connected with Iranic word-side system because of their Sarmatian heritage, as Sarmatians were indo-European proto-Iranic branch of people who used colors as world sides: white designated the west, red the south, green the east, and black the north. Part of Sarmatian and Scythian tribes settled at present day Ukraine/Russia around river Tanais (river Don). The historian Ptolemy identifies the Serboi as a tribe who lived north of the Caucasus, and other sources identify the Serboi as an Alan tribe in the Volga-Don steppe in the 3rd century. Some historians argue that the arrival of the Huns on the European steppe forced a portion of Alans previously living there to move northwest into the land of Venedes, possibly merging with Western Balts there to become the precursors of historic Slav nations. Their arrival in the Balkans is thought to have happened in the sixth century A.D., when Serbs settled among the other Slavic tribes that settled there a century earlier and mixed with them forming a medieval Serbian nation. Some of the White Serbs did not leave and their descendants are known as Sorbs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studiesad ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
The new infobox image (now part of the Template:Serbs infobox) is pretty dubious for following reasons:
I propose the old picture be restored before the consensus is reached for a new one. What do You say? Vanjagenije 10:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Ok dude, so every other ethnicity and race in the world is allowed live people except Serbs. Seems like you're trying to vandalise the page dude. --- Lukic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukic12345 ( talk • contribs) 05:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Reading up on Pokrajac's history, it's clear he's anti-Serb and has been damaging Serb related pages. He simply doesn't want there to be many Serbs in the info box. All edits made Pokrajac should be reverted and the old infobox should be re-installed. Looking at most other ethnicities, living people are present (Croats, Germans, French, Basque and so on) Lukic12345 ( talk) 19:56, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
The infobox here, one of the first things a reader sees, gives a rather bad first impression of Serbian society. There's only one woman among the famous Serbs in the infobox, which of course will lead the reader to wonder whether the position of women in Serbiabn society is that bad? If there are famous Serbian women, and I am sure they are, I would strongly suggest making sure that at least 25%-50% of the famous persons featured with pictures in the infobox are female. The current infobox leaves the reader wondering about how equal Serbian society is, and that is probably not what anyone wants the infobox to do. Jeppiz ( talk) 13:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
How about including some more famous sportspeople such as Savicevic, Mihaijlovic or tennis player Monica Seles or basketball players Sasha Vujacic, Nenad Kristic and Peja Stojakovic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.211.88 ( talk) 09:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_XI_Palaiologos
The last emperor of the byzantine empire was a Serb. He qualifies for the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukic12345 ( talk • contribs) 05:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
It is hard to say was he Serb, becouse nobles and people from dinasties have very mixed nationality.-- Wustefuchs ( talk) 19:17, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
he was half greek half serb. byzantine empire was all greeks but they had very friendly realtionships with the serbs so the last 2 emperors where half serbs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.130.80.35 ( talk) 09:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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About serbs origin in ethnology/genetic category.I would like to suggest the following sentence :
Many studies have been made and suggests a focus of Iranian origin whose Serbs and Croats are derived, the relevance of this possibility is led by philology, vexillology, folklore, anthropology and genetic. The source : http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php
Thank you for your consideration.
Demislav ( talk) 15:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC) Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. While that article looks interesting, it does not appear to meet our reliable source guidelines. It looks like it was first published in the "Magazine of the World Jat Aryan Foundation", but I can't find any information about that magazine online to show it's a reliable source, and even the hits I'm getting on the organization appear to be either non-independent or self-published. If the same ideas have occurred in reliable sources, though, we could include the information as one theory. Qwyrxian ( talk) 06:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Genetic analysis is scientific approach and that is fine. But results are quite confusing. They are really not telling us much. Some things makes are similar to one side, the other to the other. Results are pretty much inconclusive to make such amazing conclusions that all Balkan nations suddenly come with on their predominantly non Slavic origin???
Question: How the hell most of them speak pure Slavic languages (namely Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians, Slovenians and Slavic Macedonians). The were subdued to other empires most of their history. What work to Slavic language advantage to become so dominant if Slavs were outnumbered by Ilyrians, Trakinas and Dacians?
Even appearance. I would never forget old Indian guy in hotel in Los Angeles, who never heard for Serbia, but the moment he saw one person in hotel lobby, without a word spoken he guessed that it was Slavic. Puzzled, after answer in confirmation, I asked how did he know? He said just pure physical features, shape of head, body structure. He said it was so Slavic...
And look Croatians and Slovenians. They even look more as Slavs then Serbs (with except of Dalmatia).
Yes Slavs mixed with many, everyone did. There are no "Arian pure" on this planet and thank God for that. But it is so obvious that they are much more alike Czech, Polish, Russians, Ukranians that they have anything to do with e.g Albanians who also claim Ilyrian origins —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.77.80.106 ( talk) 07:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I believe Goran Bregovic consideres himself a Yugoslav (he is already on the picture in the Yugoslavs article infobox, as well as Emir Kusturica, however I'm pretty sure Kusturica considers himself a Serb) therefore shouldn't be on the picture in the article infobox, if I'm right, of course. Ostalocutanje ( talk) 16:51, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
What do you guys think about a new info box ? I think that 6x3 or 7x3 would be just fine. This version is pretty bad. Those colors are just too bad, and a great part of those biographies is not edited, plus we have better people for the info box. And I think that Karadjordje should be out because his picture can be senn on both Serbia and Serbs article, and articles about Serbian history, as well. Than, Goran Bregovic is simply out. And tzar Lazar should be replaces with his son.
My candidates:
Nobles, polticians, saints:
Army:
Science:
Scholars, writers, poets:
Arts:
Sports:
As a Serb myself, I would like that we have a good infobox, and here we can all work on that. Just to edit that and the article will be the best. Your comments are appreciated.-- Mm.srb ( talk) 19:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Rudjer Boskovic indeed was born to Serbian father (his father was writing about Serbian monasteries in Raška region: Sopocane, Djurdjeve Stupove kod Novog Pazara, Studenicu, Patrijarsiju, Decane, Trojicu kod Pljeval etc.). By that we can see a lot. Read "Relazione dei Monasaterij della Provincia di Rassia".
And Serbs have indeed deep roots in Dubrovnik (see DAI and Pagania). After you reed that Pagania was a part of Serbian lands and that the people were still pagans, you can check the same article on Cro. Wikipedia. Do you see the diffrence ? The same was done here - Rudjer Boskovic - to fit Croatian needs and interests. But I think that you as respected Croatian editor already know that. That is called PROPAGANDA, mate. Serbs did not show any interests in a great number of their notable people, and that is the only reason why Rudjer Boskovic is Croat to Croats. There are even some English writers who agree that Rudjer Boskovic was Serb (I can give links later if u want). In older editions of Britanicca he was seen as Serbo-Croatian, and Ivan Gundulic as a Serb. All those claims ("Croatian language", "my brave Croats") are pretty much unstable and most probably fake (check the later entry on Croatian "historian", who most probably done that). Why? When one scientist called him to be Italian, he saied that he is Dalmatian. Why did not he menttion that he is Croatian ? Notice, a great part of Dalmatia (we are talking about south Dalmatia) had a lot of Serbian population, and they were Catholics. Because of the wrong politics and unstability of Serbia in those times they are Croats today. Even your historians admited that Dubrovnik was Catholic but Serbian, such as Vatroslav Jagic, Antun Radic and Natko Nodilo. There are so many sources which claim that Dubrovnik was Serbian. But today that is not reality, and enough about that. Respected Vuk Karadzic concluded that language in Ragusa is pure Herzegovian, except that they use "H", and more Italian words.
I am trying to be objective as much as possible. But, to Boskovic than. From that we can see that he considered himself as a Ragusian (Dalmatian) on the first place. And a lot of propaganda was made in Croatia for people to know about Boskovic (аs a Croat). Starting with that Croatin "historian" Franjo Racki who used fake documents in order to glorify Croats, the same one who taught that the name of Croatian currency should be - Rudjer. Check out his work on Rudjer's orign - prilog u „Radu JAZU". broj 87 and 88 for 1887. „Ruđer Josip Bošković". Complete fake - no sources, nothing about his father's work.
Ancestors of Rudjer Boskovic are Rovcani, Serbian tribe from "Serbian Hills" (Brda), today Montenegro. Their patron saint (slava) was St. Luke. Rudjer's father Nikola (common name amoung Serbs) married with daughter of Italian tradseman Baja Betere (in our language?).
This is in Serbian, but it's just too late to translate and I am going to sleep. You'll find something interesting in the next entry.
Check this out If you do not belive me:
Scepanovici poticu od Scepana Gojakovog, koji je imao 5 sinova: Vuka, Vlatka, Bozidara, Stanisu i Radoja. Bratstvo Scepanovica se dijeli na DRASKOVICE, Puletice, BOSKOVICE i Mutapovice. Svi osim Draskovica su se iselili sa Rovaca. Pored Sime Milutinovica Sarajlije, hajduk Veljka Petrovica i Petra Dobrnjca, Rudjer Boskovic je ipak djelom najveci Rovcanin koji je svjestku slavu stekao daleko od Rovaca. U vreme pokatolicavanje Boskovica Orahovom Dolu njegov otac Nikola je ipak kao pravoslavan otisao u Dubrovnik. Neprihvatajuci pokatolicavanje, dio Boskovica, koji su se nazivali SESELJI i Milici, odselili su u Velicane. Iako su odatle uskoro SESELJI odselili u Do, dio Velicana i danas se naziva Seseljevina. Zbog seobe zbog Turaka (neuspjela pobuna) otuda mnogi rodovi u Popovu slave Lucindan, krsnu slavu Rovcana: Boskovici, Ivanisevici, Ljepave, Batinic, Seselji, Milici i dr.
Jeremija D. Mitrović, 1992
„Preci Ruđera Boškovića prvo su kao vlastela nosili prezime Podkravići odnosno Pokraјčići. Rano su se spustili u Popovo Polje, u selo Orahov Do ili Orahovo gde su se razmnožili kao Boškovići. Iz 1629. sačuvana јe јedna izјava ljudi napisana 'in carattere illiricho overo serviano' (srpskim јezikom). Iz ovog hercegovačkog srpskog sela kraјem 17. veka došao јe u Dubrovnik radi trgovine i Ruđerov otac Nikola, sin Boška Boškovića i Damјane. Kao trgovac brzo se istakao; u Dubrovniku se oženio Italiјankom po ocu, doseljenom iz Italiјe sa koјom јe izrodio više dece. (...) No, trguјući, Nikola Bošković ne samo da јe kao katolik 'srpski pisao' već se kao Srbin interesovao i za srpsku prošlost, svoјe srpsko poreklo i to јe prenosio na svoјu decu, i na Ruđera. (...) Baš zbog ovog njegovog interesovanja za srpsku prošlost, Riđeputi, koјi јe sa Farlatiјem i Koletiјem izdavao čuveno delo u osam svezaka "Illiricum sacrum" zamoli Nikolu da mu opiše srpske starine koјe јe upoznao na svoјim putovanjima po srpskoј zemlji. Tako јe nastao Nikolin spis Relazioni dei Monasterij della Provincia di Rassia - Staroraška sećanja. Nikola јe ovde uneo srpske manastire sve od Hercegovine do Kosova, kako ih јe video i kako o njima što doznao. (...) Eto, iz takve srpske kuće potiču deca Nikole Boškovića i sin mu Ruđer, koјi јe celog veka vodio prepisku sa svoјima u otadžbini, a naročito sa sestrom Anicom i bratom Božom, koga јe stalno opominjao da traga za njihovim porodičnim grbom iz Bosne. Za ovu Ruđerovu prepisku na 'slovinskom' velikohrvatski istoričar Foretić kaže da јe vođena 'na hrvatskom јeziku'. Gde se to Ruđer nazvao Hrvatom? Niјe ni Srbinom, ali znamo da јe žudeo za potvrdom porekla svoga bosanskog semena. Znamo da јe, opisuјući јedan trenutak sa svog putovanja, rekao da su u društvu tu bili on, јoš јedna osoba i јoš 'il Croato'. Šta znači ova Ruđerova izјava o onom trećem prisutnom?"
Vida Vuletića Vukasovića iz Gradca kod Stona, obјavljen u „Јavoru" 1887. godine povodom Boškovićeve godišnjice smrti.
On kaže da јe Ruđer Bošković ostavno neku vrstu fonda za pomoć očevom rodnom Orahovu Dolu u Hercegovini. Fond niјe ugašen sve do pada Dubrovačke republike. Vuletić tim povodom zapisuјe i ovo:
„Treći dan po Maloј Gospi iz Ravnog ću put Zavale. Bio mi јe pratidžijom pandur Niko Kristić. Popovac iz Oraovog Dola od plemena čuvenog matematičara Ruđera Boškovića. Pričao mi јe o njemu priču da valja i konja i vola."Sad sliјedi priča o Ruđeru, navodno, u Puli, koјu јe ispričao neki mornar i koјa јe po svemu narodna fantaziјa. Stari Dubrovčani koјi su bili vјerni katoličkoј crkvi i srpskom rodu sјećali su se Ruđerove sestre Anice u dubokoј starosti i njenih svјedočanstava o srpskim uspomenama u kući Boškovića. U „Јavoru" iz 1887. godine zabilježeno јe da se tada niјe ničim označila godišnjica smrti Ruđera Boškovića u Beogradu, uz ironičnu primјedbu: „Biva neјaci smo i inokosni".
Lujo Vojnović, 1938:„Zar niјe mudriјe, istoriјski verniјe, estetski finiјe ono što јe napisao dr Dušan Nedeljković u predgovoru svome srpsko-hrvatskom prevodu Boškovićevog putopisa iz Carigrada u Poljsku (prvi i јedini prevod Boškovićevog јednog spisa na naš јezik i јoš od Srbina!). U ovome putopisu postaјe sasvim јasno koliko јe iluzorna i besmislena ona svađa, koјa se u naše dane produžuјe, oko toga, јe li Bošković Srbin ili Hrvat. Svoјim 'zavičaјem' i svoјom 'otadžbinom' Bošković јe toliko puta nazvao i uvek samo svoјe rodno mesto Dubrovnik, i prema tome se on zavičaјno i otadžbinski osećao јedino Dubrovčaninom, ali јe imao, to se u ovom putopisu vrlo lepo vidi, i јedno mnogo šire osećanje, osećanje Južkim Slovenom ili Slavincem.
So, we can see. Rudjer Boskovic - Serbian father, Italian mother, Roman Catholic by conversion and because of his mother (his father died when he was very young), Dubrovnik was his homeland. That is more than enough about Boskovic. Beetwen Serbs and Croats - only Serbs have the right to see Boskovic as Serb, but that would wrong too. He was something like Yugoslav, but he can be seen as a Serb because he has clear Serbian orign. Mm.srb ( talk) 00:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
No arguments, I see. If Ivo Andric, Josip Broz Tito, Rudjer Boskovic, Ivan Gundulic and + That Croat with German roots were not a problem on Croats page why the hell would it be a problem to include Boskovic here, when we know that his father indeed was a Serb ? And the page has been semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. By the way did you even mind reading ? I explained a lot of things about Boskovic. Mm.srb ( talk) 09:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
And you would not have anything to say, because I saied most of it above. Some great definition there - when Tesla or Penkala can be Croats. So typical. Andric indeed was born to Croatian family, but he considered himslef to be Serb and worked for Serbian interests as a diplomat. Of my Lord, which IP vandalazing are you talking about when we got the extra protection level, primarily because of such things ? You are becoming quite paranoid (Or is it a problem for you that I am a Croat). Thanks for the advice. bye Mm.srb ( talk) 11:08, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree. I feel sorry If you think that I am giving any cind of decision out here. First of all, I think that we should call few more fellow editors. Second, I think that we need to see is this info box going to be 6x3, 7x3 (my suggestions) or something diffrent. Third - at the begining we should put few "mush-have people" such as: Stefan Nemanja, Saint Sava, Nikola Tesla, Mihajlo Pupin, Ruđer Bošković(?), Novak Djokovic etc. I want good info box as much as you do. Mm.srb ( talk) 12:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
What do you think about adding Nino Belov and King Tvrtko I at picture of famous Serbs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.143.175.78 ( talk) 22:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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The religious section mentions that, throughout History, Serbs suffered for their Eastern Orthodox religious beliefs and goes on to mention Ottoman islamization and the Ustashis. These examples are correct and worthy to be mentioned. However, why is there not a word about the latest / most recent round of persecutions, i.e. state atheism under Tito's communist autocracy? Marshal Tito killed, terrorized, repressed thousands of religious believers. I believe this should be in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.138.33.196 ( talk) 11:21, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Could someone change Vlade Divac's image ? It's dead.
And could we change Mokranjac with Nikola Pašić, Stojan Novaković or someone else ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mm.srb ( talk • contribs) 08:53, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
How about we add another famous female Serb in the collection of images of famous Serbs? Nadezda Petrovic is the only female we have up there, it seems so male-dominated. How about adding Ana Ivanovic? Or someone else like Ivana Zigon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lumosnight ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I think that we should make a whole new infobox: 3x7, 6x4 or 8x3. Two or three women should be included, and the most prominent candidates are: Marina Abramović, Ana Ivanovic, Jelena Janković, Svetlana Ražnatović, Ksenija Atanasijević and Desanka Maksimovic... It's really unfortunate that our senior editors do not wish to discuss about this. It seems that someone really wants that this (his) infobox stays unchanged. Mm.srb ( talk) 12:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
“When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts about the article in which it appears. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. Of necessity, some infoboxes contain more than just a few fields; however, wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content.”
The map is a shovinistic and nacistic serbian politic! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.244.177.109 ( talk) 20:09, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
I am really delighted to see such a wonderful and balanced article slowly emerging, however as I suspect there might still be a high propensity of controversy in any subject pertaining to South Slavic history I prefer to bring up these few following issues before performing any actual revisions on my own. Whereas the main articles History of Serbia and Medieval Serbia are largely successful at refraining from inflamed rhetorics and avoiding unsubstantiated conclusions marked by personal views, the following two paragraphs in the Middle Ages sub-section of the current article are less so impressive:
As I am sure any historian, or even so layman, of the South Slavic subjects is aware of, to impose any definite ethnic identity on the medieval Bosnians apart from recognizing them as the Slavs who lived in Bosnia is considered highly unsubstantiated. The current formulation of Serbs being the "dominant population" alludes to a form of medieval Bosnian demographic majority comprised of a consciousness of Serb ethnicity; an inflammatory claim lacking proof. What is more, the crowning of King Tvrtko I Kotromanić taking place in Mileševa is significantly contested and ought not be presented as an absolute fact. Thirdly, duke Stefan Vukčić Kosača possessed many different titles througout his power of which "herzog of Saint Sava" was merely one. Prior to assuming this title as a diplomatic appeal he held the titles of Herzog of Bosnia and Herzog of Hum and the Coast, hence the subsequent inheritance of his title on the name of the present-day region cannot be hinted as the result of him assuming the title of Herzog of Saint Sava. In this context, the holy Saint Sava is irrelevant to the history of the contemporary toponym Herzegovina as the title Herzog was merely a way in which Stefan Vukčić Kosača dealt his lands. I can nevertheless unfortunately see why it may be of interest to link the toponym of Herzegovina to a Serb Orthodox saint on loose grounds.
The second and last paragraph pertains the following writing and continues the same type of inflammatory phrasing:
In this regard, little doubt exists among historians that the Kingdom of Bosnia was not subordinated, it was on its own, a nation living its independent life and governing itself. Thus, to define the Kingdom of Bosnia (and Herzegovina which was part of the Bosnian kingdom, once more by irrelevant association to Saint Sava) as a Serbian state is sadly a severe bias and personal point of view requiring extensive revision.
In conclusion, these two paragraphs made me quite disappointed to the otherwise so great progress with the article in question and related main articles. Praxis Icosahedron ( talk) 13:46, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
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I believe Marina Abramovic is deserving of being a representative of the Serbian people. If Vlade Divac and Novak Djokovic can have their photos displayed, she most certainly deserves it. One of the most important artists of the 20th and 21st centuries. Also, there are no women represented in the photos on the page.
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First of all, here is an update on the total population in the US for 2010: http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/ACS/10_SF4/B01003//popgroup~558
Second, here is detailed information on the ethnic Serbian group in the US: http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/ACS/10_SF4/DP02//popgroup~558 From this second link, it can be seen that over 100,000 self-declared Serbs speak only English language at home, thus English needs to be added as one of the languages in the info box. I believe similar information can be found for Serbs living in Germany, France, Italy, UK and similar, so someone else can look into that.
Truthseeker43 ( talk) 06:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Why has the "Ethnology" section been removed? I would like to see that section (which now has been divided between History and "Identity") at the beginning of the article, not after History. What do you think?-- Zoupan 21:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
There are Serbs in Syria. 142.197.8.220 ( talk) 00:01, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Serbian language can not be standardized register of Serbo-Croatian as Serbian language is older than Serbo-Croatian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markoni1010 ( talk • contribs) 15:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
somebody is cleary lowering the number of serbs from year to year and on the othe rhand highering up the number of croats.
how is it possible that number of serbs in world drasticly dropped from 12-14 million to only 10 million, and number of croats drastically raised from 6,5 or 7 million to up to 9 million all of a sudden?
how is it possible that there are 4,5 million more croats in world besides 4,5 million in balkans, and out of 8,5 million serbs in balkans only 1,5 million serbs in world? as long as i know serbs had more wars, reasons for leaving their lands, but also a large nuber of people makes a large number of people leave lands... so it would be normal and civilized to put these numbers at.... croats around 7 million in world and serbs up to 12 million in world, (as you should know that throughout whole history, the number of serbs was always one time bigger or more, than the number of croats)... figures for macedonians are also massive... there are 1,5 million macedonians in their country.... how can there be exact or even higher number of them in world? while number of serbs is that much lower? ... no. of macedonians worldwide should be put to 2-2,5 million max. in world..... i live in diaspora myself and believe me i can precise very good.... and also by the old datas that were available in past years.... for the number of peoples....
also number of serbian language speakers used to be 11 million few years ago, how can it just fall to up to 9 million suddeny? .... there are almost 9 million native speakers only on balkans... than in diaspora believe me, serbian diaspora is about 3,5 to 4 million strong and out of ca. 4 million between 1,5 and 2 million serbs speak the language..... while there are also second language speakers... atleast half of albanians in kosovo can speak serbian, about 70% of slovenians can speak or understand serbian (or serbo-croatian) and also a couple of hundreds of thousands of macedonian can do it also....
′′′i have posted a link which shows the official data of researches on estimations of number of serbs in diaspora. it is the official website of serbian diaspora!′′′
http://www.srpskadijaspora.info/vest.asp?id=2056
so however we turn it (it is known that there were 8,5 million serbs in former yugoslavia) and that today the number is slightly lower due to moving to other countries and lower birth rate in serbia alone) if there are 6 million serbs in serbia and about 2.120 000 more serbs in neighbouring countries as it is written (and they probably forgot to add data for kosovo (130 000 - 140 000 serbs) coz i see nowhere kosovo written under the data... then there should be about 8,35 million serbs in the balkans right? .. then add an addititional 3,5 to 4 million serbs in diaspora which is written here http://www.srpskadijaspora.info/vest.asp?id=2056 and we gain a number of about 12 or 12 million + strong in the whole world . right? .... there are also numbers written for number of serbs in usa (about 1 mil.) and germany about 800 000 as i wrote my self when i was editing but then it got deleted.... so i would PLEASE ask someone to tell me... is this a right ref. i just gave out? can it be verified? its an official site with official data on the numbers o fserbs throughout world, and you can find same or very similar results on other sites if you check em out.... and please use this ref. i gave you http://www.srpskadijaspora.info/vest.asp?id=2056 ... to write the new data on, coz i dont know how to add references or similar things myself on wikipedia, coz i just made account, so im new here. i am my self living in diaspora and i know pretty well the already existing data on wikipedia isnt correct.... i would kindly ask if someone can change that data (also the data on american serbs where only census data is written), while everybody knows there are alot more serbs by ancestry in usa (around 350 000 in chicago alone)not to mention rest of usa... im sure that alongside the census datas there can be added the estimation datas ... so please someone give an answer to this, and if everything is righty right and ok, pls change those certainly false datas on total worldwide number of serbs.....
i would also recommend that under the pictures of famous serbs --- king alexander karađorđević of yugoslavia could be added, along with knez mihajlo, famous actor bata zivojinovic (more famous in china than in rest of the world), and legendary actor dragan nikolic and most beautiful tennis female player ana ivanovic could be added. i also think mor epeople could be added under categories of americans serbs, australian serbs, bosnian serbs (where is legendary savo milosevic?)and so on and so on.... pls — Preceding unsigned comment added by Правичност ( talk • contribs) 07:11, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
how about these articles i found!? ... it mentions the same number again (around 4 million) if you read , and its from the serbian news...
http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/planeta.301.html:386716-Razlicite-procene-o-broju-Srba
but i think this is the most reliable source..... "GOLDEN SOURCE" from a serbian unity congress page and the page even has national sponsors (telekom srbija etc...) as you can see two countings were made (by the nin magazine and by the ministry of diaspora ) i found the second counting more realistic eventough their estimations of total serbs in world are very close (12,17 mil. or 12,45 million serbs in world) ... i posted the start page and the second one i posted is the page`s pdf of reaserch results:
http://www.serbianunity.com/serbianunitycongress/statistic
datas per country on wikipedia should also be changed as per these datas... Правичност ( talk) 20:17, 9 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Правичност ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
with all that data on page "Serbs" ... someone still lowered the number of Serbs in the world for some reason... without any sources or anything...
on the page it says : that nearly 6 million serbs live in serbia and atleast 2.120.000 in neighbouring countries, after that it says that 3,5 million serbs live in diaspora... someone is bad at mathematics? or just wants to lower serbian population by nearly 2 million? please...
~6 million (serbia)
+
2.120.000 (neighboring countries)
+
3,5 million (serbian diaspora)
=
! ~11.620.000 ! (or otherwise somewhere around that number clearly)
if you doubt in my calculations, then try the counting yourselves...
there is no way it can be 9.9 (or 10,5 million as it used to be few days ago).
Правичност (
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22:01, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
PLEASE READ ALL ...this is my answer to both themes at the end of the 2 main discussions ....
--- First of all im sorry but i do not know who has made that change of the total population... 2nd of all Thank you Adrian for changing the article based on the counted numbers beneath the total population (eventough data about Kosovo Serbs is still missing in that tabelle (ca. 130 - 140 000 serbs), however there still exists a problem with this number as you said... and ty for posting this reliable source [Vecernje novosti] ... and as you asked, i will reveal where the number is stated, by making copies of the texts and translating them (you can also translate by yourselves to make sure) ....
at the beggining of the article it says that exact estimations on number of the serbs (in diaspora) dont exist, however estimations also reveal a number of 4 million. (Precizni podaci o broju Srba u svetu ne postoje, a procene "prebacuju" i 4 miliona.)
Beneath; a number of 294.000 or around 300.000 is widely described as a number showing only; how many people with serbia`s passports temp. work or live outside their country atm (according to 2011 census). so dont get confused by this number.
Real estimated number "they" (country and communities of serbian immigrants around the globe) have concluded is around 4 million.
!Beaneath you can see the key statement!:
U Ministarstvu vera i dijaspore kažu da je potpuno precizan podatak o našim ljudima u svetu gotovo nemoguće dobiti.
- Naša je procena da je ukupan broj Srba u regionu i dijaspori veći od četiri miliona - kaže ministar vera i dijaspore Srđan Srećković.
--- (translated) - >
In Ministry of religions and diaspora, they say that a specifically precise data about our people around the globe is impossible to get.
- Our estimation is, that a total number of Serbs in region and diaspora is larger than four million - says the Minister of religions and diaspora Mr. Srdjan Sreckovic.
i want to add that while he was mentioning "region and diaspora" this ofcorse exludes the number of Serbs in states where Serbs are a constituent nation (Serbia (also Kosovo) and Bosnia & Herzegovina (and in past it used to be Montenegro also)) ... others would be mentioned as region (Croatia, Montenegro, Romania, Albania etc..) as this article is about the number of serbs in the world; and not about the numbe rof serbs in their homelands (SRB, BiH)... otherwise it would sound funny if he would mean by that , that only 4+ million serbs reside on whole balkans and rest of the world - when we know 6 million serbs live in serbia alone, another 1,5 in bosnia and 140k in Kosovo (if not counted under Serbia) and we all know these countries are homelands to serbs by constitution... (Kosovo -if looking it as a coutnry independent from serbia it is also a state where albanians and serbs are a constituent nation).
in a grey box on the right of the articles page it says:
SRBA NAJVIŠE U SAD SRPSKA dijaspora najbrojnija je u Americi, gde živi oko 560. 000 naših sunarodnika. Na drugom mestu je Nemačka, gde je oko 400.000 Srba, a prati je Austrija sa 190.000 i Kanada sa 180.000 ljudi. Više od 100.000 ljudi broje i srpske zajednice u Francuskoj, Švajcarskoj i Australiji. U Švedskoj ih je 70.000, a Velikoj Britaniji 55.000. Većina Srba i njihovih potomaka okuplja se u oko 200 hramova SPC.
which means (translation ->).. MOST OF THE SERBS ARE IN THE USA where aprox. 560 000 serbs live, after that it says ... germany 400 000, austria 190 000, Canada 180 000, more than 100 000 in France, Swiss and Australia. etc. etc... eventough i considered some of these datas as dated... coz newer sources reveal a much higher number in some of the countries ... like austria for example (350 000) and its widely known among folk that more than 110.000 serbs live in Vienna alone - on wikipedia its written that after chicago, vienna is said to be home of the largest serbian population outside of the balkans or serbia. on this video , american news guy states theres about a quarter of a million serbs living in chicago area which is the second most populated city by serbs on the world besides Belgrade (he jsut mentioned chicago while with an aditional Illinois area the population of serbs is around 350 000 according to most of the sources if you check up around the net (even on the serbian americans wiki page) btw ... ignore the theme about an awful movie and just check the last few seconds of the video from 1.49 (eventough i know its not a good reference) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vel-WvZKbUk
hope my statements and translatians made some success id just like to conclude that if they estimate 4+ million serbs in the world ... region and diaspora (outside serbian homelands serbia (inc. kosovo serbs) and bosnia (and / or maybe montenegro - as serbs lost constitution rights quite recently in that country and were recognized as a minority among others - eventhough counting second largest nation in MNE and the largest language native group) number alltogether is = ca. 7,5 - 8 mil.) and + 4 million rest of the (southeast european) region and diaspora (around the globe) the final number would be 11,5-12 or 12+ million serbs in total .... and let me remind you that ive given you a number of sources which would say the exact number (3.5 or 4 million) serbs in diaspora, similar or exact as this article says.
Id also want to add this article - where it cleary says that serbian language is being spoken by 12 million people (serbian national television news):
http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/125/Dru%C5%A1tvo/45760/Srpski+jezik+govori+12+miliona+ljudi+.html
but in the end,if we think of it, and calculate it all...it all adds up! the data that was mentioned on multiple sources and even on this wiki page, about ca. 3.5 million serbs living in diaspora, (this data that you can find anywhere!) is as it seems CORRECT, just add an additional 500 000 people from the sorounding region (excluding SRB and BiH) and you have it! 4 million! as this guy mentions to be, (remember he/the page mentioned more than 4 million serbs in the region and diaspora) it all adds up!
Region: (CRO: 200k + MNE: ~180k + SLO,ROM,MAC,ALB,BUL and HUN: 110k+) = "~500k", then add "3,5 million+" serbs in diaspora and its more than 4 million as the estimations say. then add also serbian population from two native countries serbia (inc. kosovo serbs) and bosnia (republika srpska) and you get about 7,5-7,8 million serbs to which we add 4 million+ (region and diaspora) = ca. 12 million around the world - which is exactly the same number as the earlier datas of serbian population worldwide was showing on wikipedia, (it actually used to show even 12-13 mil.)... but then someone gone changing it to 11, then 10,5 etc... now it ended up on 10, while they risened croatian population from 6-7 to up to 8,5 million in that time for example... very unrealistic whoever has decided on changing these datas some year ago in first place. However i turn it i must say i was ight in the first place when i stated that up to 8,5 million serbs live in balkans and another 3,5 million in diaspora - houalla - le 12 million... agree? Правичност ( talk) 05:08, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
- i agree to you on everything except for number of serbs and diaspora again.... pls tell me, how can serbs in bosnia (mainly republic of srpska) be counted as a diaspora? Bosnia is a country that wouldnt be a coutnry if it wasnt made in two enteties - Federation of BiH (the Bosniak (Muslim) - Croat federation, and Republc of Srpska (an autonomous republic of Bosnian Serbs inside Bosnia) , its made up of 3 nations, if one of these 3 nations would make a claim by themselves there would be a war...
are you telling me that bosnia or republic of srpska doesnt belong to serbs? does it belong to bosniaks (bosnian muslims) more maybe? or to croats more maybe? does any of 2 nations have a bigger right on claim of bosnia? how could that be possible? or does bosnia belong to some other nation or people in europe or in america maybe? my friend you know this cant be true, bosnia is no serbian diaspora, bosnia is homeland to serbs just like serbia... the only difference is that bosnia has 3 constituent nations , and all 3 nations have a right to equal claim of rights, and all 3 nations lead and present the country, because this is the only way this coutnry can exist as a souvereign state... when i go to visit family there it says welcome to republika srpska when i enter the state, everything is written in serbian cyrillic, road signs, newspapers, shops.... republika srpska has its own president who represents serbian interests....
but other than that it makes no difference to bosniaks and bosnian croats who live inside entity of republika srpska... because they have the same status as they have in their entity of federation of BiH. just like serbs have same rights in other parts of bosnia inside BiH - when i say rights i mean, same official languages (in every part of that country) everywhere serbian,bosnian and croatian are official... everywhere orthodox, catholic churches and mosques are standing, every town every village has bosniak, croat and serbian political parties... etc.. etc....
so sorry mate, but bosnia is no serbian diaspora... serbs cant be classified only by serbia, if you know history, you will see that serbs used to be actually the most numerous peope in bosnia in history, and bosnia was also under serbia in midevil times etc. etc... there is much to learn ... this is why i think he didnt just state serbs out of serbia.... because when we are talking about serbian people only, then we cannot ignore bosnian serbs under no hand, ... when we talk about serbian minorities we talk about croatia, romania etc.... but never about serbia, bosnia and montenegro ... eventough montenegrin nationalists are preventing serbian rights and serbian history in that country, and have also canceled serbs as constituent nation in montenegro which is a shame, coz montenegro was just a serb nation state in its whole history... all fo thsi happening now has just its routs from communist times montenegro and an idea of inventing montenegrin nation and language independent from serbian. and i know this coz my ancient routes are from this land which is swarming by serbian orthodox churches hundreds and even thousand years old.)
anywaysss.... i just wanna conclude that serbia and bosnia are nation states of serbs and also kosovo (eventough bosnia has 2 more and kosovo 1 more, constituent peoples) and that cant be ignored especially from that minister... my actual opinion is that when he said region he actually meant everything around serbia (and kosovo), bosnia and even montenegro as these countries or egions cant be classified as serbian diaspora especially not bosnia.
its impossible that there are only 10 million serbs in world as almost 10 million serbs lived in ex-yugoslavia in 1991 and even back then there was a huge serbian diaspora... i thought this source was to reveal a 3.5 to 4 million strong diaspora, but now you say that he ignored one of the serbian lands - bosnia (and its also a croat land besides croatia, and a bosniak land) ... idk which source can i provide more but i know this cant be true... the i compare serbs and croats articles .. and its jsut impossible that serbs who were always atleast 1x times more numerous than croats throughout whole history (when there were 5,5 million serbs there were 2,5 croats in yugoslavia, when there were 8,5 million serbs there were 4.7 million croats in yugoslavia only) , its impossible that their number is now almost identical to serbian population, serbs coulnt just vanish... for example...
10 million serbs? maybe 10 million "pure" serbs, but where are people of serbian descent?
- is it possible that a nation (Serbs) who were in 1991 over 9 million strong in the balkans, have ONLY 1 million people in diaspora?
-When they had hundreds of wars, political and economical reasons to leave their homelands (nowadays SRB,BiH,MNE,CRO) in history, while for example, Swedes (eentough a smaller nation) a "peaceful nation" throughout history.. count so many more in diaspora nowadays? is this possible?
-I live in diaspora and i got alot of family members like other serbs around the world and i cannot accept this lie. do you know that around 500.000 people left Serbia (only Rep. of Serbia) in period of 1990-2000?
[1] How many left it tens and hundreds of years ago? and how many Serbs left sorounding countries?
-There were 20.000 Montenegrin Serbs in USA at the end of the 19th cent., around 17.000 Norwegians were in that country at that time too. And today there are more than 5 million american norwegians and only 172.000 serbs in usa?
-You must understand that Serbs were under pressure of communism in the former state of Yugoslavia, therefore they had to start to declare as Montenegrins, alot of them who were in love with Yugoslavia declared as Yugoslavs (75% of them were of Serbian heritage).... but today alot of them still declare Serbian as their maternal language or they are Serbian orthodox Christians--- therefore i cannot understand, if you dont count these people under Serbs, why cant you count them atleast under people of Serbian descent. We should add estimations of Serbian ancestral diaspora in infobox maybe.
-And how many Serbian Americans are there actually in the USA? When most are illegal citizens, others declare as Yugoslavs, Slavs, Eastern European etc... eventough they carry Serbian surnames, either speak little serbian or were raised to be Serbian Orthodox Christians....
-Check out this article (it says there are 400 000 Serbs only in Chicago and illinois area, while there are 1-2 million American Serbs in whole USA, eventough those are estimations) ..
http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Svet/185441/Samo-u-Cikagu--zivi-oko-400000-Srba
Правичност ( talk) 22:11, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
-No, but i suggest we include also official datas like these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_diaspora
which say there are 3.5 million or 4 million serbs outside serbian native lands (serbia (and kosovo), croatia, bosnia, montenegro). its true what you said, but you also must have in mind that illegal citizens arent participating in any of censuses, therefore they cannot delcare at all. and as i said there are many illegal serb citizens in usa and around world, there are also those who didnt declare at all, but left the ethnicity, ancestry or maternal language field empty, but still know or classify themselves as serbs... so i suggested that besides those "presice numbers of censuses" we could atleast add a higher estimation of Total Serb population worldwide (for those illegals, for those who stayed neutral on census but privately consider themselves serbs, for those who didnt even get a chance to declare and for those whos census datas are far dated...)
All im saying is: Leave the precise datas for each country (by census sources) but if official estimations say there are 3,5 million serbs outside serb homelands (srb,cro,mne,bos)- then why not write total population estimation as 11,5 million + or 12 million as the calculations would say (8 - 8,5 million + 3,5 million)...
http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/planeta.301.html:386716-Razlicite-procene-o-broju-Srba
and if it says 315.000 can claim serbian descent in turkey, and 328.000 declared as yugoslavs in usa... why not add that data in total population
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SerbsCite error: There are <ref>
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I also suggest we add South Africa among other flags - As there are 10-20 000 serbs in RSA by estimation
http://www.svetitoma.org/Modules_FE/layout1/displayfull.asp?id=1#
http://glassrbije.org/%C4%8Dlanak/kako-%C5%BEive-srbi-u-ju%C5%BEnoj-africi-otac-pantelejmon
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