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The terms 'Kaik Kolar' refer to only people in the Chola regiment and not a caste. the word kaikkolar means one belonging to a regiment. People from various castes represented in the chola army. Therefore the current day Kaikolars are descendants of the commanders and soldiers of Chola army and they are not originated from a single caste
Historical Dictionary of the Tamils by Av Vijaya Ramaswamy, Jawaharlal Nehru University- Page 229 contradicts the claim entered in the wiki-The adoption of the
Mudaliyar title, thus Sengunthar Mudaliyar, is probably
aspirational. Below is the sentence given in the reference: The caste title Mudali or Mudaliyar is used by upper-caste non-Bahmins like Vellala agriculturists and Kaikola weavers... — Preceding
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Hi Sitush, Could you check the above extract? Sengunthars and Vellalars were the first among the Tamil communities to be known as Mudaliars or the earliest castes using the Mudaliar title. Later chola inscriptions and literary works during the period provide the sufficient reference. Hence, the phrase "aspirational usage" of Mudaliar contradicts with the other native Tamil sources.-- Elangots ( talk) 04:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
"Like the sheikhs among the Muslim community of Uttar Pradesh, the title of Mudaliayar seems to have been used as a caste title by those social groups seeking upward mobility".So, yes, looks like I have it wrong, sorry. - Sitush ( talk) 05:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Fom the sources: The Mudaliar title has been used by Sengunthars for at least 900 years(Later Chola age starts from 9th century though). They have been engaged in weaving and related businesses througout the historical timelines. They were also army commanders, soldiers and chieftains for few hundred years. The occupation of weaving wasn't well received by few communities during the Modern period. Hence, it was considered as less prestigious by others for a brief period. Sengunthar's usage of Mudaliar title is a continuous usage though and it has to do with their Shaivite affliation in the Chola society and their positions in the Chola military-- Elangots ( talk) 05:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Before 17th century Sengunthar used Mudaliar, Pillai, Devar, Rayar, Desigar as their title. After 17th century they used only Mudaliar as their Title
Chola sengunthar ( talk) 13:01, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Sengunthar and Senaithalivar has same origin They split separately after later Cholas Chola sengunthar ( talk) 13:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Kathleen Gough uses the word Sengunda in this book. I suspect that is an alternate spelling. - Sitush ( talk) 18:09, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Why Edgar Thurston is not a reliable source ? Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 12:50, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Is Fj Richards is reliable source Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 05:29, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Is this cite news is reliable source. http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=32283 Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 05:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Put privacy lock for edit in sengunthar page Vigneshvikifz ( talk) 05:37, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
why removing gotra of Sengunthar And hereditary headman of Sengunthar who called as Naattanmaikarar and Periyadhanakarar of Sengunthar Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 16:39, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
There are 72 nadus for sengunthar.they are still existing in Tiruchengode,Tharamangalam,erode,etc Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 17:01, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
The gotra of Navaveerargal is Upa Subramanya gotra who were ancestors of Sengunthar Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 17:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
In this place Upa Subramanya gotra is representing the god Murugan. Sengunthars are linked to god Murugan so Sengunthar are Upa Subramanya gotra. Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 17:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
In Hinduism text Goddess Parvati created Navaveerargal to help God Murugan in war. The Navaveerargal (nine hero) who connected to Murugan were ancestors of today Sengunthar so they were called as Uba Subramanya gotra Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 17:27, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
why removing Naadu system Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 15:38, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
https://books.google.com/books?id=y089AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA73 Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 16:05, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Adhi Diwakaram is not comes under Chola period because the time line of medival Chola is 9th to 13th century. It comes under interregnum period of Tamil Nadu. [1] Red dagger kaikolar ( talk) 13:21, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Mr. Scartiastic last version is best accepted, evidenced one. Why do you revert it??????? Kavin Mudaliar ( talk) 08:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Mr.Sarcastic: They not only weavers. They perusing many Textile related jobs like Sizing, [[Spinning], Dyeing. [1] Tirukodimadachengunrur ( talk) 08:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Yeah all is related to weaving only, why to mention it separately??? Look at other weaving castes all others do similar jobs only. Also see the page 11 of the source you added its clearly the same statement I wrote in the lead section. Mr.Sarcastic ( talk) 09:47, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Mr.Sarcastic: these all are related to weaving but today Sizing, Spinning, Dyeing became seperate occupation. In olden days all these process were done by weavers but today these textile process became seperate seperate job Tirukodimadachengunrur ( talk) 15:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
. Tirukodimadachengunrur ( talk) 06:11, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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@ Mr.Sarcastic: Please add Murugan(Subramaniya swami) As kula deva for this community.
[1] Tirukodimadachengunrur ( talk) 08:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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[1]vijaya ramawamys book -historical dictionary of tamils has been misquoted quoted here.
its seen here that the kaikkolars are tradional users of the title "mudaliar", along with vellalars .
The caste title Mudali or Mudaliyar is used by upper-caste non brahmins like vellala agriculturists and kaikkola weavers .
It aslo mentions the castes which came to use the title mudaliar aspirationally.
the title of Mudaliyar seems to have been used as a caste title by those social groups seeking upword mobility. Thus, communities of Jains, Gadabas, Occhans, Pallis, and Vanniyans also used the title of Mudaliyar..
Hence i request the editors in charge @ Mr.Sarcastic: @ Sitush: and others to delete the "asipirational" wording and make changes accordingly . Thank you. -- An asian peasant ( talk) 10:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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