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Pardon my pedantry, but is the 13-minute pastoral folky "Cinema Show", with its lyrics about Greek myth, and lenghthy mellotron-back synthesizer solo in 7/4 time, really what we'd "particularly" call "stadium rock" (or "arena rock")?
If we must talk about genres, it seems pretty "prog" to me.... -- feline1 07:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
I agree. Takin' that down.-- Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 04:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I know that there's been speculation about who wrote what, and some later interviews on that matter, but I think that the individual songwriting credits should be removed, because 1) the official releases of the album credit each of the songs to Genesis as a whole, 2) the band's official website, which is current, also credits each of the songs on this album to Genesis as a whole, and 3) part of the friction leading to Gabriel's departure has been attributed to the 'all songs done by all' attitude.
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Hriped
07:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I think Banks wrote the cinema show and firth of fifth lyrics,they just dont sound very gabriel
I'm not sure that it is a good idea for an encylopedic entry to use a sentence such as "It is considered by many fans to be one of the best overall albums the band produced.", particularly without citation, even if it is true. -- 68.239.49.94 03:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Thomas G. Marshall
Where does the information come from that Steve Hackett sang backup on "I Know What I Like"? He rarely, if ever, did backing vocals for Genesis. This needs a citation, or it should be removed.
I am curious as to how the album fit on the LP. From my limited knowledge of LPs, I know there is about 20 minutes per side, so I was wondering how the whole album fit as it is 53 minutes long? Nathanalex 04:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, I removed the tracklisting of the remastered album using more heavily edited pages such as Pink Floyd's as an example. The listing was identical and only served to demonstrate a second's difference in track two. --
Pixel Eater (
talk)
12:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
The original painting did not feature a lawn mower; Gabriel added it later as an allusion to the song "I Know What I Like".
According to 'Genesis: A biography' by Bowler and Dray, "The band approached [Swanwick] to do a new painting for the sleeve..because of time restrictions she modified the existing one, adding the lawnmower and garden fork." Whitespacebug 22:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I created an article for "More Fool Me" because all of the other tracks off of "Selling England by the Pound" have articles but " More Fool Me" did not. I have no idea what time signatures are, thus I have no idea what time signature More Fool Me is in. If anybody knows what time signature this song is in, please add it to the article. Also, did Steve Hackett provide the guitar on this track? I'm assuming it was him, as the album credits don't say that Mike Rutherford or Tony Banks provided it. If one of them did, please make revisions. Thank you.
Like father like son, nor flesh nor fish nor bone. I am Teh_Squonkz 06:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
"Teh Squonkz," a "time signature" refers to the number of "beats" per measure of music, a convenient way to chart out how the music proceeds. The most typical "time signature" (or, if you prefer, "rhythm") is "four-four," or 4/4, or "common time," variously. This would be ONE-two-Three-four, with a big emphasis on the first beat of the measure and a slightly lesser emphasis on the third beat. The "second-most" typical time is "three-four," or "3/4" time, often called "waltz time" as the music for that dance is always in 3/4. The rhythm is ONE-two-three, with a big emphasis on the first beat.
"More Fool Me" is in "common time," or four-four. It is really not necessary to mention that time signature in your article, since it isn't very noteworthy. All the discussions of time signatures for other songs on the album are because they are UNUSUAL, such as the 7/8 time signature during the extended vamp section in "Cinema Show." Other Genesis-related songs with "unusual" time signatures are Peter Gabriel's "Solsbury Hill," which is primarily in 7/4 time, and "Dance On A Volcano" with its alternating 7/8 and 6/8 bars.
Hope that helps.-- B. Polhemus ( talk) 06:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
As Start Class. All the relevant info is there, and it just needs some references, esp to UK chart position, see [1] for these. Also there is a lot of unsourced opinion in the "Sound & Live performance" section. References to Gabriel's "bluebell" hat, corn stalk & miming during "lawnmower", and pictured if possible, would be a useful addition. -- Rodhullandemu ( talk - contribs) 02:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
As noted above, all tracks are credited to the members of Genesis jointly; if anyone feels they should be added as separate attributions, this should go in a separate section, and be sourced. Meanwhile there's a ton of original research here which should go, or be supported. If anyone's got Gallo's book, that is a good place to source stuff (mine is many miles away). This album deserves a proper rewrite. -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 01:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused at where people are getting the info for who wrote the lyrics from, its not noted anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.110.137.50 ( talk) 15:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it's best to say the tracks were "credited to" (not "written by") all the members, and leave it at that. It's known that not every member contributed to every song ("More Fool Me" alone proves that), but details of just who wrote what (even lyrically) in Genesis' "all songs by the band" days are often unclear & sometimes conflicting. Ftg3plus4 ( talk) 14 October 2008
The way the credits are given on these Genesis pages can lead one to think Rutherford was the main driving force of the band, when it was actually Phillips in the beginning and after that, Banks. 177.19.27.237 ( talk) 15:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Under certifications someone should mention how the album went silver. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.110.137.50 ( talk) 14:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I propose that Dancing With the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, More Fool Me, The Battle of Epping Forest, After the Ordeal, The Cinema Show, and Aisle of Plenty all be merged into Selling England by the Pound. This was done for Nursery Cryme almost four years ago (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Fountain of Salmacis(Genesis song)), and it's high time we it for this article. None of the seven songs in question have any notability outside of the album, and none of the articles on them have any sources, so they completely fail to meet WP: NSONGS. Moreover, having separate articles for every song on the album means we've effectively divided one article into nine, which makes it a lot harder to do maintenance on Selling England by the Pound info, since a lot of information has to be duplicated across articles. So, in the interest of both conforming to WP policy and having two good articles on Selling England by the Pound rather than nine lousy ones, let's merge these guys. Martin IIIa ( talk) 13:46, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Alright, it's been over a week, and obviously no one but me cares about this one way or another, so I'll go ahead and perform the merge.-- Martin IIIa ( talk) 14:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I have added recently a citation referencing the RIAA Gold & Platinum searchable database for the Gold certification of this album. To make the search to display the Selling England by the Pound entry, I found only one way, namely to use the album name as search input with field "artist". If anybody knows a better way how to do this, please let me know.-- Cdl obelix ( talk) 15:01, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
The initial US release of Selling England by the Pound was actually on the Charisma label, though Atlantic did distribute the album. As far as US releases went, it was their last album to be released on Charisma as all other subsequent albums were released on subsidiary label Atco and the main label, Atlantic for the remainder of their tenure on US Atlantic. I know this to be true because I have this on vinyl myself as I am a vinyl collector and enthusiast and it is on Charisma.
I just thought that I would point that out. Frschoonover ( talk) 16:41, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
"Recorded August 1973 at Island Studios in London, England"
This can hardly be exactly true if the single "I Know What I Like.." was released, as the infobox says, on 3 August 1973. I wonder whether more accurate dating for the sessions is available? Harfarhs ( talk) 21:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
The sleeve notes and several other reliable sources say all tracks were credit to the whole band. Individual credits only started on A Trick of the Tail. To suggest otherwise is original research and should not go in the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:02, 4 February 2015 (UTC)