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This was a Palestinian uprising. Yet most of the photos are from an Israeli perspective. It's even worse on Commons. Ezzex ( talk) 16:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
in section 2002 of the timeline talking about the Arab peace deal the final line states "...endorsed by Arafat, but virtually ignoring by Israel" this should be "ignored by Israel" or "virtually ignoring Israel" 185.108.171.62 ( talk) 12:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Al-Intifāḍat aṯ-Ṯāniyya is incorrect: the t at the end of the first word is not pronounced, and the second word does not have a double yy. It should be Al-Intifāḍa al-Ṯāniya (according to the Strict Transliteration at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Arabic, ISO 233) or Al-Intifāḍah al-Thāniyah (ALA-LC romanization, approved at the same Wikipedia Manual of Style page). Linguistatlunch ( talk) 18:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
The first paragraph contain "as anticipated", but doesn't include a source for this claim as well as anticipated by who. In general I think this is not neutral language, but at the very least this kind of claim needs to be backed by a source. Asafg8 ( talk) 17:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
The outbreak of the Second Intifada is also intertwined with the story of another Israeli hero-soldier: Ariel Sharon. Palestinians loathed Sharon as the sword-bearer of Israel's reprisal strategy in the 1950s, as a father of Israel's settlement policy, and as the butcher of Palestinians in Lebanon after Israel's 1982 invasion. So when Sharon planned to visit the Temple Mount on September 28, 2000, to emphasize Jewish claims to the site, it spelled trouble. The Temple Mount, controlled by Israel since the 1967 War, is the most contested real estate in the world. It is the site of the first and second temples, the latter destroyed by the Romans in 70 C as pun ishment for a Jewish revolt. Indeed Jews gather to pray at one of the retaining walls for the second temple, the Western or "Wailing" Wall, because of its proximity to this holiness. Built on top of the Mount, how ever, are two mosques, the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, the latter of which is supposedly built over the "holy of holies," the inner sanctum of the ancient Jewish temple. For Muslims around the world, the mosques' antiquity and the holiness of Jerusalem in the Islamic tradi- tion make the Temple Mount's status a source of constant concern. Jewish control of the Mount is particularly galling. Months before Sharon's visit, as Barak and Arafat negotiated the Mount's status at Camp David, the fate of the site dominated the news. Radicals, and even moderates, on each side feared their leaders would make unforgivable concessions to clinch a deal. Sharon's visit was his way of dramatically demonstrating his opposition to any concessions. Palestinian officials, Israeli police, and Israeli intelligence all predicted that blood would flow if Sharon went forward with his visit. Dennis Ross, the U.S. envoy to the peace talks, warned the Israeli interior minister Shlomo Ben-Ami about the visit, "I can think of a lot of bad ideas, but I can't think of a worse one."4 Before Sharon's visit Arafat and Barak had dinner together at Barak's home in Kochav Yair. As Arafat left he warned Barak about the risks of Sharon's planned visit. Barak, however, felt he could not block Sharon; it was his right as an Israeli to visit the site, and any interference would be seen as politically motivated.
It seems to me that one of, if not the most notable aspect of, the second intifada are the myriad of suicide bombings, and attacks aimed at civilians.
At the moment, the lede states that it's a time of "heightened violence", as well as the IDF's replies - but literally nothing about mass civilian Israeli casualties, or quantifying the number of attacks the same way the IDFs response is - (e.g. "A million round fired").
I would submit that's a relatively unbalanced Lede in this case. 2001:569:5084:2400:5C9E:3365:D6AD:ED9B ( talk) 20:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
DMH223344 ( talk) 14:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Israel’s disproportionate response to what had started as a popular uprising with young, unarmed men confronting Israeli soldiers armed with lethal weapons fuelled the Intifada beyond control and turned it into an all-out war. This was one more case in Israel’s history where the overreaction of the military ended up defining the national agenda in terms that the politicians never planned. Nevertheless, the Intifada's resort to armed struggle and suicide terrorism was to have fatal consequences for the peace process.
In its first few days, the uprising was reminiscent of the First Intifada. Palestinians took to the streets with stones, light arms, and Molotov cocktails to face the Israeli army with its full range of weaponry. Rapidly, however, the Second Intifada (referred to as the al-Aqsa Intifada given its birthplace) militarized. The Israeli army fired between twenty-eight and thirty-three thousand bullets per day against Palestinian stones and light arms throughout October, strategically using disproportionate force to break up protests.
<- The IP is limited to making edit requests. Statements like "I would submit that's a relatively unbalanced Lede in this case" are not edit requests. IP, if you want a specific change, make an edit request with specificity per WP:EDITXY. Sean.hoyland ( talk) 10:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
I have undone a recent revert which removed references to references which include glossaries defining key terms.
The revert also includes other edits which include:
DMH223344 ( talk) 02:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
And the edit warring
continues (Note that the lead of
Sabra and Shatila massacre says "It was perpetrated by the Lebanese Forces, one of the main Christian militias in Lebanon, and supported by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) that had surrounded Beirut's Sabra neighbourhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp.[3][4][5][6]") so the revert appears to make no sense either.
Selfstudier (
talk)
08:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Also why was a source with a quote about antisemitism in Europe stuffed into the opening sentence of an article about an event in Palestine? Makeandtoss ( talk) 09:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)