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Wikipedia:List of encyclopedia topics/Biographies A lists Samuel Adams as having the nickname, "The American Cato."
However, there is presently nothing about "The American Cato" in this article. Would anyone care to research this and add it?
Kevyn 07:39, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Yes I know! The American Cato would make a very good addition to this/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.37.10.164 ( talk) 22:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I moved Samuel Adams (American revolutionary) here because he had by far the largest number of incoming links: see [1] (after I changed the links to that page), compare to [2], [3], [4], and [5]. —No-One Jones (m) 18:09, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Just a question to put out there, and before doing any editing i thought i would ask it. There are opposing views of Sam Adams' role in various events leading up the American Revolution, and this article tends to be more biased towards the "Sam Adams intentionally instigated (event)". For example the article states he organised the Boston Tea Party, whereas there is actually speculation as to whether he really wanted the event to happen and that he have tried preventing it. In light of this, i suggest a few minor edits to the article, or alternatively, a subheading could be placed at the end of the birography discussing these oppising interpretations. This is in the interest of balance and transparency. Lawson
I am removing an anonymous addtion. Its format and placeent are bad, even if the material is good. I cannoy recommend the link but, with improvement, the material might go in the article. Lou I 13:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Removed material:
(After failing as a brewer and newspaper publisher, Adams found that his chief preoccupation, politics, was his true calling. Following lengthy experience in Boston town affairs, he rose to prominence in the Massachusetts assembly during the opposition to the Stamp Act in 1765. An organizer of Boston's Sons of Liberty, he played a key role from 1765 until the end of the War of Independence in Patriot opposition to what Adams believed was a British plot to destroy constitutional liberty.) from
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_001100_adamssamuel.htm
The final sentence really bothers me: "Samuel liked young schoolchildren, he wanted them to be present at his funeral; his daughter refused, as she didn't want them to miss school."
I changed a comma to a semicolon to make it more grammatical, but I feel like the sentence really needs to be reworked or deleted. As written, it hints at the perverse. Did Samuel Adams like "young schoolchildren" in the manner of Miss America? Or in the manner of Lewis Carroll? Or in the manner of John Wayne Gacy?
This is my first edit at Wikipedia, so I thought I'd comment first, before just deleting the sentence.
As it's been about two weeks with no objection, I've deleted the following sentence: "Samuel liked young schoolchildren, he wanted them to be present at his funeral; his daughter refused, as she didn't want them to miss school."
PS. Thanks for the tip, Lorax.
Idahogie 19:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
The Dictionary (Webster's 3rd) defines Patriot as: one who advocates or promotes the independence of his native soil or people from the country or union of countries of which it is a part (as a colony). Fits Sam Adams perfectly. (The Loyalists did NOT call themselves Patriots.) Rjensen 02:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to add some more quotes to the samuel adams entry to help give it more depth. Feloniousd 04:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Posted the following quotes to entry on Samuel Adams:
"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions" --Samuel Adams, Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of 1788
"Driven from every other corner of the earth, freedom of thought and the right of private judgment in matters of conscience, direct their course to this happy country as their last asylum." --Samuel Adams, Speech, 1 August 1776
Source for both was liberty-tree.ca [ [6]]
I'm an infrequent editor, so I'm sorry for any breach of convention. Please contact me if there are issues with my edit. Feloniousd 04:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Am I right in assuming that, a quote that is not recorded by the the man himself on paper should be labled as "atributed", and if possible by whom? For instance; "blah blah blah" --atributed to Samuel Adams by Jon Doe at his grandmother's funeral, 1783 Feloniousd 04:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Added another quote; "If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
if anyone knows the source text let me know
by Samuel Adams - 1904 online at [7] Rjensen 20:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
What were Sam Adam's siblings? I can't find it anywhere, thank you.
Like many who were born during the 18th century, Samuel Adams was the only surviving child of his parents. They had 13 children in all-Adams was the youngest. As I understood it, the children died in infancy and in early childhood. Some of them were not named I believe.
Finding out information on Samuel Adams' early and personal life online can be difficult. I had to hunt for sometimes to find out the names of his first wife and his children. I did read in one of his biographies that he had a son of the same name that was a doctor and after some tweaking and googling I found references to him. Many things tend to be centered around his life just before, during and a little bit after the Revolutionary War.
Hopefully in the future Samuel Adams will get the same type of resuscitation that his cousin John has enjoyed.
Ladydayelle 15:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Someone needs to edit the intro thing, I dunno how to do it. Inappropriate... some jerks probably got a kick out of that.
I think we should mention the British political cartoon published during the American Revolution, or at least mention it. It was actually quite popular among the counter-revolutionaries. Those Americans who supported England
It reads "
SAM ADAMS SAYS I WANKED IN YOUR ALE"
I reverted a long list of quotes that 72.80.105.76 added to the page. If anyone thinks some of these are significant, feel free to add them back onto the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Samuel_Adams&oldid=103704123 -- >|< shablog talk/ cont 23:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey slightly off the Samuel Adams topic, it says in the early life section that Adams was influenced by john Lock and his ideas, of natural rights "life, health, liberty, or possessions" i don't pretend to be an expert on the topic, however, i have read a fair bit that the laws were of Life (including health and safety), Liberty, and Property (and its pursuit through enterprise etc etc and protection of that property) not trying to be annoying but i figure if your gonna do something do it right, could someone check this for me? i don't want any decision to be based on my knowledge alone. cheers
Hey slightly off the Samuel Adams topic, it says in the early life section that Adams was influenced by john Lock and his ideas, of natural rights "life, health, liberty, or possessions" i don't pretend to be an expert on the topic, however, i have read a fair bit that the laws were of Life (including health and safety), Liberty, and Property (and its pursuit through enterprise etc etc and protection of that property) not trying to be annoying but i figure if your gonna do something do it right, could someone check this for me? i don't want any decision to be based on my knowledge alone. cheers
sorry i added it twice
Someone please check the birthdate at the beginning of the article and under "early life", they do not agree.
Guys, just discuss having or not having the link at "External links" instead of unproductively using the undo and revert button. Personally, I think the link shouldn't be included. It does not provide with many quotes by Adams (if it had more, I would consider it), and if readers really want to see quotes, they should go to WikiQuote. A few editors, including myself, sourced all the quotes there, so WikiQuote would be the most appropriate place for quotes by Samuel Adams. Nishkid64 ( talk) 18:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I draw your attention to Ray Rapheal's book "Founding Myths" (New Press, New York, 2004 - ISBN# 1565849213) which fairly convincingly shows that Adams did NOT "organize protests against the British, including the Boston Tea Party in 1773". According to Rapheal, Adams did approve of some protests after the fact, but did not organize them ... and ardently disaproved of at least one of the protest (He criticized that of August 26, 1765 - calling the participants "mobbish")... and during the evening of the Tea Party he called for calm and expressed a desire for peaceful solutions. There was no "secret signal" as the article states. It is always difficult to separate fact from patriotic myth... but we should try. Blueboar 16:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
The "mobbish nature" quote comes from p. 52 of Raphael's book... He gives the following citation for it: "Samuel Adams to John Smith, Dec. 25, 1765, in Harry Alonzo Cushing, ed., The Writings of Samuel Adams, (New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1904) 1:60" Blueboar 22:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't Sam Adams be considered a terrorist by todays standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.181.241 ( talk • contribs)
I think the section about the Boston Tea Party needs to be reworked. It may be understandable to someone familiar with the event, but for someone like me, it seems unclear, poorly written and unprofessional. Here is a particularly confusing section:
By November 28, a cargo ship named Dartmouth was in the Boston Harbor, carrying 114 chests of East India tea. British law stated the ship was required to unload and pay the duties for the cargo within twenty days. In response, Adams introduced a resolution the next day in a town meeting in Faneuil Hall. The measure stated that the tea should be sent back to England without paying for the import duties. The resolution was passed unanimously.
It is unclear here who pays the duties. If "the ship" pays the duties then what do the american's care? Are they upset because that increases the price of tea for them? Why would they send the ship back? Why not accept the tea, without the duties? In addition the whole idea that the shipment is taxed at all seems contraditory to a sentence at the beginning of the section:
"The Tea Party was an act of protest in response to the Tea Act, a tax law passed in London that allowed the British East India Company to land tea free from the tax that had been imposed on it earlier."
This seems contradictory. Are the Americans FOR the tax. Obviously not. Then why would they protest a ship that is allowed to land "tax free" And how can it be that British law states that "the ship" (which is bearing east India Tea) "was required to unload and pay the duties for the cargo"
In addition, this sentence is particularly irksome: "The measure stated that the tea should be sent back to England without paying for the import duties" It makes it sound as if the tea itself pays duties. Why not just say: "The measure stated that the tea should be sent back to England and the import duties should be left unpaid."
In conclusion I am very confused. I'm pretty sure that the Americans were feeling hostile to both the British East India tea co. and the British government. Yet this does not seem consistent with a protest against a law "that allowed the British East India Tea Company to land tea FREE FROM THE TAX that had been imposed on it earlier." I thought it was a protest which involved the delay of a tax which it appears that the British government REQUIRED to be levied on the shipment aboard the Dartmouth.
Eathan Keyboards 20:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Why does "Sam Adams" re-direct to this article? In my experience, Sam Adams most often refers to the beer, not to this article...
I don't know if that's a common problem or anything, just thought I'd bring it up.
Actually, Hosmer's book points out on page 16 that "to his contemporaries it was affectation quite superfluous to go beyond the monosyllable in giving his Christian name". I would be curious as to where Maier found that he wasn't called Sam. 69.116.89.12 ( talk) 22:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I am new to wikipedia so i cannot yet edit certain pages. while i was writing a research paper on sam adams i noticed an error in your page; the newspaper he wrote was called the Independent Advertiser not the public advertiser... just thought i would let you know so that someone could edit it since i can't yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethancfa ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Please add Persondata to this article. Merrieman 10:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I have corrected an error in the article about the East India Company not being required to pay the Townshend duties. The article had used as a citation "Puls, pg. 140", which does not support what was written. The Puls citation supports the article as it is now written and I have added an additional citation. BradMajors ( talk) 08:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
As this page is protected, someone else will have to do it. A "See also" section should be added to tbe bottom, just above the banner templates, with the link
Dear fellow contributors
MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether or not dates are autoformatted. MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.
There are at least six disadvantages in using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:
Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. I'm seeking feedback about this proposal to remove it from the main text (using a script) in about a week's time on a trial basis. The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links. BTW, anyone has the right to object, and I have no intention of arguing with people's feelings on the issue. Tony (talk) 12:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking of re-organizing the references section to have separate notes and references sections, with short notes like "Puls (2006), pp235–237" in the Notes section, and links from there to the References section with the full bibliographic details of the book, as at Che Guevara and as described/discussed here. Comments? ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 02:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
A link to Sam Adams beer should be on the beer page, not here. Sewnmouthsecret ( talk) 21:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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