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This may simply be my personal stylistic bias showing through, but it seems that the "Culture" section of this page, while interesting, needs to be cleaned up, possibly to the point of a total rewrite. For example:
In RTS-games that have been played for a long time, anti-rush strategies are usually developed, causing most rushes to become more of an attempt at early pressure rather than a direct attempt to win the game, though the latter still sometimes occurs.
In the Age of Empires series, sometimes, certain rules are applied in which the players are forbidden to rush before reaching a certain age period. Such rules are simply a mutual understanding between players. In the latest RTS-games, the developer made rushing an almost futile strategy. This was done by strengthening the settlement by further fortifying it with projectiles and, in some other cases, with towers. Another change was to make the villagers stronger; attacking the villagers with weak units was no longer a profitable business.
I may give it a shot later, but I just wanted to bring it up in case anyone felt like beating me to the punch. Jonny-mt 18:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I translated this page to fr:wikipedia and added some elements. Thank you for your job :) --Meithal
should not "zerg rush" be redirected to "zergling rush"?
In StarCraft, the rush is often accompanied by chat that includes East Asian-style Internet lingo such as "kekeke" and East Asian-style emoticons such as "^__^"; this is indicative of StarCraft's popularity in South Korea.
This sounds borderline racist --- 172.185.53.67 03:52, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Anon
Anything can be construed as racist if a person wants to see racism there badly enough. It's not racist. StarCraft IS immensely popular in South Korea (even today), and the "kekeke zerg rush" meme did originate from Korean players. teh TK 02:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
a soft cackle? Mallerd ( talk) 12:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
"Kekeke zerg rush" is a statement of mockery,just like "you got owned noob" or " what a loser,hahaha".Zerg uses hydras as core unit all the game,its versatile,fast and has enough firepower to overwhelm expensive units(even tanks). typical hydra rush,requires enough production capacity to overwhelm(usually 3hatch build orders,close to midgame),can be complimented by lings,is far costlier and of course effective strategy then zergling rushes(you need to have superior defenses(guarded minefields with bunkers/tanks/turrets),strong counter-units(i.e zealots,lurkers,tanks,medic/marines,cloaked units)) to stop hydras. I think it should be noted such rushes are more properly termed builds(build orders),(muta build,hydra build,muta-ling build,archon-arbiter build,etc)because they will work the entire game(with reduced efficiency as the enemy builds defense),serving as recipes and guidelines for warfare.Even at endgame,a dozen zerglings will still be threat.
Ive added a harassment section, since harassment is more widely excepted than rushing, and also covers lots.
Perhaps this section should be reworked, at least in the examples column. It seems to be merely listing main characters, and I would disagree with some of the list, especially since many of the character recur throughout their series of games, enduring drastic changes in gameplay and reworkings of moves and tiers, making it impossible to consistently maintain a single strategy. I would especially disagree that Ryu (Street Fighter) fits the profile, and in a lot of other cases, we seem to be confusing rushdown strategy with lockdown or pressure games. Either way, I'm calling for a revamp of the entire section, and I'll work on it when I've had some sleep. -- Digital Watches 08:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think this is accurate. A zerg (or more accurately a Zergling rush) is mobbing the enemy with massive amounts of cheap units early in the game. A tank rush is a different technique altogether, involving overwhelming power in the form of large numbers of high-end, expensive units.
how is it a good analogy with rush? how?
The article mentions Rainbow Six Vegas using the "Realistic" difficulty setting to prevent Rushing. However this only applies during single player and co-op, not multiplayer deathmatch. The "Realistic" setting only applies to NPCs, and has no bearing on other players.
The effect described is actually to counter the StormTrooper Effect.
This article is trying to describe two different tactics/strategies in gaming. One is act of "being the first". The other is the act of "massing units". Those two are distinct concepts in most video games. While they do play hand in hand in most games, distinction needs to be drawn. -- Voidvector 13:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Precisely, what kind of sources would be good for this article? I mean, please, give examples of sourcing that would be good for this article, not just a link to the guidelines pages, which anyone can find by himself. 160.92.7.69 13:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone support the term Goblin Tactics? It is only mentioned at the top of the article and I personally have never heard this used. I can see where the connection between some lore sets goblins and zerg may be logical but unless anyone can confirm the use of the term it probably shouldn't be mentioned in a culture article like this one. ASA-IRULE 22:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I have merged most of the content on this page to 3 sections based on 3 main genres of games: RTS, FPS, and Online RPG. I used Online RPG because "rush" can apply to both MMO and non-MMO RPGs. In addition, I have ordered the sections as RTS, FPS, and then Online RPG because I believe that reflects the "rush" history development best. -- Voidvector 00:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Dark Templar be added to the Harrassing or Raiding section? Its cloaking ability is similar to the "Wind Walk" ability, and it has a pretty good damage meaning it can effectively destroy enemy production units (i.e. the Probe, the Drone, the SCV...) . PRhyu 12:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
The disambiguation for this article is not correct. A rush is not a "computer or video game". The disambig tag should be something like "(tactic)" or similar. Also the usage of the word seems more heavily weighted toward a verb, which means we should be using the -ing form, i.e. Rushing (tactic), since we are describing mainly the act of rushing and not so much the word rush itself. I will leave it to you folks to decide what to do, but I think some change is needed. Ham Pastrami ( talk) 06:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm quite sure that in Command and Conquer 3, GDI players generally rush Pitbulls, not Mammoths— because by the time you had the time and technology to build Mammoths, the time for rushing (see definition) has passed, and it would be called "steamrolling".--KelvinHO Wiknerd( talk) 03:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC) KelvinHO Wiknerd( talk)
Strictly speaking rushing is a special case (early game, low tech) of spammimg, which is the use of a large number of similar units - e.g. Vampire Lords in Heroes of Might and Magic III (a TBS!), Amazon Knights in Total Annihilation: Kingdoms, Slashers / Samsons in Total Annihilation. IMO it would be useful to make Rush (computer and video games) and Spam (video gaming term) support each other as much as possible, to mimimise duplication and make room in each article for more content that is specific to each article. Philcha ( talk) 10:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I've proposed that Tank rush should be merged into Rush (computer and video games). Please comment at Talk:Tank rush. Philcha ( talk) 10:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
"The alternatives to rushing are turtling and economic boom. These have a rock-paper-scissors relationship: a rush beats a boom, a boom beats a turtle, and a turtle beats a rush"
A turtle can't beat a rush, especially a rush that is early in the game. There are often weak defenses against formidable units. Mallerd ( talk) 00:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
In C&C Generals for example, I'd go Chinese and produce a second truck for gathering at the start with a second bulldozer. Buildings would go gathering facility, powerplant, barracks, bunker, bunker, that place where you put hackers. The barracks would produce rocket, rocket, rocket, soldier, rocket, rocket, rocket. 3 rocket, 1 soldier for each bunker. The hackers would instantly start hacking to get money, then go into the building when it was up, that gave me an economic advantage, at which point I built AA defences, tanks, more power plants and eventually nukes. End game was enough nukes to waste everything, or those really big tanks.
That's an example of turtling, however, it's also an example of booming. You don't _just_ build economic units or you die from a base unit. You build defenses to hold off the other players until you have a large economy at which point you attack with a vastly superior army. Turtling = Booming So the paragraph: "The alternatives to rushing are turtling (building strong defences and sending out an advanced army later in the game), and rapid expansion (creating a booming economy and using it to purchase better units and technologies than the enemy) which is referred to as a, "boom" or "Steamrolling"." is completely wrong. There is only one other strategy, not two as they're the same thing. Source: 10 years gaming, common sense Chrissd21 ( talk) 16:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
May come in handy:
I've never heard the term "four pool rush" before, even though I spent most of my life playing broodwar for 18 months. I've always heard it called "6 rush" (6 zerglings), and it has a "4 rush" variant (4 zerglings). Codik ( talk) 18:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Well then you obviously never read up on any real strategy about the game, because the supply notation such as 4pool, 8rax, 14nexus are completely standard. —Preceding
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Raiding: "Raiding, by contrast, implies a focus on "hit and run" (or "bite and flee") attacks on an enemy's resource gathering units and apparatus".
Harrassing: "Harassing is almost the same as the process of rushing, but being extremely cautious so as not to lose the 'harassing' units. It involves hitting valuable but unprotected targets, such as poorly-defended resources, workers that are not blocked off, or merely annoying enemy forces via the use of fast or stealthy units."
So what's the difference? -- 203.33.167.161 ( talk) 09:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Let's forget StarCraft for a moment.
Rushing is a perfectly legitimate technique employed in many RTS games nowadays, even blizzard's own Warcraft 3. Now, I will honestly say that I wasn't an avid SC player, but I *am* a regular ladder player in wc3 and it's not "unfair". Rushing and harassing, as well as countering said tactics, is all part of the current meta. Besides, people rarely win games solely based on a successful early rush. Additionally, successfully countering rushes can be as destructive if not more so than attempting to do it at all.
Speaking as someone who plays Warcraft and Dawn of War(the latter being sadly horribly unbalanced), I think this article is too hung up on what the terminology meant back when SC was all the rage. -- 217.129.10.40 ( talk) 18:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
The only people who hate rushes are the noobs, b/c they don't know what to do until they have all their money and a full army of uber units. No one takes no rush people seriously anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.97.27 ( talk) 15:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
"Rushes that are guaranteed to lose you the game if failed, also known as "cheese", are still seen as cheap way of winning however." The above sentence is based on very old views and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissd21 ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
A Zerg is when one force greatly outnumbers another and wins by sheers numbers.
A Rush is when one force attacks the other so quickly that it catches them unprepared.
I suggest separating the two, as they are two distinct tactics.
A "Zerg Rush" simply suggests a rush using a far larger force than the opposing force. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.76.22 ( talk) 21:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
"It is analogous to the blitzkrieg in real-world ground warfare, in which speed and surprise are used to overwhelm an enemy before they build a sizable defense."
Not really.. Surprise has nothing to do with it, speed kind of.. It's more of a mass numbers thing. Zerging in Age of Empires 1 was an axemen rush, no surprise, a lot of speed, more of a "I have 50 axe men, you have 5".
Surprise is a main factor of a blitzkrieg. As such, I vote removing the reference as while it does give an example to a non-gamer, it does it in such a way that the viewer starts with a wrong idea. Chrissd21 ( talk) 16:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree, but nobody corrected this for over a year, so I editted a correction. Blitzkrieg is about punching a hole through enemy lines and rushing deep to create an encirclement. So really much different than what this article describes. A better analogy would be to the human wave attack. Warthog32 ( talk) 17:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Rush (video games)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ywwr":
By now you must have figured out that someone has to write and watch over MUDs. Sometimes these powerful beings swirling over your head are the coders/immortals/wizards who have put many hundreds of hours into making sure you have fun. At other times, these gods are those dedicated players who have managed to live through everything the MUD had to throw at them and have achieved the ultimate goal of immorting a character. [...] They're the people putting in their time to add new areas and monsters to the realm [...] The day may come when you find yourself in that big comfy chair in the sky. On most MUDs, when you get past a certain level (which varies from game to game) your character becomes immortal. [...] Some MUDs have levels that the immortals to continue to vie for, and others have a remort option for those that find godhood isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
mob = mobile (This is jargon for a monster or creature.)
Reference named "shahromine":
DikuMud first appeared in mid-March of 1990 when a group of programmers at the Department of Computer Science at the University of Copenhagen, Denmark got together and began work on a multiplayer game that is similar to but improved on AberMuds. These coders were Hans Henrik Staerfeld, Katja Nyboe, Tom Madsen, Michael Seifert, and Sebastian Hammer.
One of the major types of objects that you will encounter on a Mud is the mobile. A mob (pronounced MOHb, not MAWb), or mobile, is a computer controlled creature. [...] If a mob is not friendly, it is known as an agg or aggressive mobile. It will hit you at the first opportunity, even the instant you walk into a room. A majority of Muds have dumb mobs. A dumb mob will fight you until you kill it or flee from it.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
[1] Dont know how to reference. 96.240.34.47 ( talk) 06:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Removed the section on "dancing." First, dancing has nothing to do with rushing or harassing; it's a micro technique and can be used in any type of battle, late game or early, offense or defense. Second, the definition is wrong--the point of dancing is to counteract focused fire by "dancing" the targeted unit backward, forcing the enemy to chase it while your other units fire at them. Finally, dancing works quite well with hydralisks. 99.181.230.148 ( talk) 20:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm perplexed by the TCG section that says trading card games "such as Magic: The Gathering" call this tactic "flooding." While I can't speak for other games, I've played Magic for 15 years, attended tournaments regularly for 6, encountered hundreds of other playes, and read countless strategy articles and I have *never* heard this tactic referred to as flooding. Most Magic players would call it a "weenie" or "aggro" strategy (and might call it a "swarm" or "rush" when you attack with a bunch of cheap, expendable guys), but if you said you got "flooded," they would understand that as you drawing lands (resources) for several turns when they are no longer needed. If this actually is a term used in a TCG, the example should change to whatever game that term is used in. 64.119.55.158 ( talk) 03:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Alpha strike (gaming) is a three-sentence stub that has two references, one about where the term "alpha strike" comes from and one seeing it defined for Magic the Gathering. The definition is "competitive gaming term, denoting an all-out attack launched in hopes of achieving a decisive advantage."
Seeing as an alpha strike is practically the same behavior as a rush, I would suggest merging it into here. Well, someone else proposed this a couple of months ago, but it's about time to discuss it. "Alpha strike" seems to be a synonym to "rush", thus it could be used in the intro of the article. I'm not sure where to put the etymology, though; possible in the "Definition"-section. Thoughts?
To the best of my knowledge: Rushing revolves around speed and surprise with the purpose of catching your opponent unprepared.
Alpha Strike on the hand -is a concentrated attack utilizing all the offensive capability available to you which is contrasted with attacking while still having a reserve force or units defending your base. While there is a lot of overlap, there are also several areas of distinction.
Based on my understanding: I'm tentatively opposed to an outright merge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.144.159 ( talk) 07:11, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
This is all very interesting commentary on how people play video games, but Wikipedia is meant to be an encyclopedia. Would someone like to try to convince me why this should not be sent to AFD? AtHomeIn神戸 ( talk) 04:39, 9 December 2015 (UTC)