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"Although his record was subsequently broken, some believe that those records set by both Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds should be invalid, due to their likely use of performance enhancing substances." Especiall in the intro? Schmidtr1
I agree, that sentence you quoted above needs to go. The opening paragraph is supposed to have some basic biographical information about Maris, not about McGwire and Bonds' records being invalidated. SaxofoneDL
I've removed this as it is not neutral and has tenuous relevance to the first paragraph. If phrased properly it seems ok to be mentioned in the article as a whole. Mglovesfun 14:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Roger Maris Was more than a man he was a Legend, a father, husband and a brother. Every one on the 1959 Yankee team was his brother.
citation needed Mglovesfun 00:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
1.)Maris' relationship with the Yankees had been poisoned beyond repair during the 1965-1966 seasons.The Yankees accused him of malingering when his hand injuries kept him out of the lineup. By the time his injury was properly diagnosed,things were past the apology point.
2.)Maris enjoyed his two years with the Cardinals far more than his years in New York.He was happy to be just "one of many",instead of being the center of attention.
3.)Lost in the home run derby of 1961 was that Maris had a wonderful throwing arm---I personally recall famous home-run robbing catches of Ken Hunt of the LA Angels and Willie Kirkland of Cleveland. (1961)
He also threw out Luis Aparicio trying to score from 3rd on a sac fly.NOBODY did that at the time;ApaRICIO was the fastest man in the American League. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.23.5.11 ( talk) 13:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Hilariously inappropriate for an encyclopedia. What makes it even funnier is that he wasn't on the Yankees in 1959. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.185.21 ( talk) 18:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
The person above probably meant the 1961 team. Maris still has the American League HR Record, not to mention he has the National Baseball Home Run Record w/o batting gloves (or steroids). Ruth wasn't beaned duirng his 1927 HR record, Maris was beaned 9 times in 1961. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves ( talk • contribs) 05:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Sean 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.209.49.19 ( talk • contribs) 16:05, March 11, 2006 (UTC)
The claim that Roger Maris was born "Roger Eugene Maras" (with two "a"s rather than an "i") seems dubious. The average reader of this article is going to doubt the spelling and be tempted to change it to "Maris."
If "Maras" is, in fact, correct (which it seems to be, as it gets 70 or so google hits), it needs a citation.
Jwadeg 05:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if it would appropriate to mention that Roger Maris is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame. The controversy over alleged doping of modern "home-run kings" may also be of note. Bzuk 06:04, 16 September 2006
Unlike the great Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris was not a particularly strong hitter. Check the stats and you will see what I mean. Thegreatjefftaylor 10:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed "On September 26,1991, a Committee for Statistical Accuracy removed the asterisk from Maris' record. The record stood separated from Ruth's record for 30 years (1962-1991). With the removal of the asterisk, Maris was the sole owner of the single season home run record with 61." This is inaccurate. See above in the article; there never was an actual asterisk.
Those two sections seem pretty pointless. Delete? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hallofamer2000 ( talk • contribs) 06:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Could someone tell me how in God's name mentioning that Roger was Julio Navarro's 1st strikeout victim is worthy of mentioning, even in a trivia section? I mean my God, who the heck is Julio Navarro & who the heck cares (it would seem that a relative or friend of the Navarros has been here adding stuff given that he has an article on here & it is longer than some real celebrities despite an uneventful & undistinguished career)? If you are going to include stuff like that in the trivia section, you might want to add what he had for lunch on December 13, 1953 too. Frankly, that might be more interesting than the "fact" that some nobody pitcher recorded his first strikeout against him. no. sick of the crap.
In 1927, the baseball season consisted of 154 games. In 1961, it contained 162 games. It is an undisputed fact that, when 154 games had been played in 1961, Roger Maris had only 59 home runs, which was one fewer than Babe Ruth had obtained in the same number of games. Given enough time, anyone can get any number of home runs. If the season had been expanded to 200 games, and Maris did not get his 61st home run until the 200th game, would people still regard that as exceeding Babe Ruth's accomplishment? John Paul Parks ( talk) 15:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
It is often overlooked that the National League continued to play a 154-game schedule for the 1961 season. Not to say that Frick was correct in his "seperate records" stance, but it was another factor in his decision. 68.60.139.230 ( talk) 20:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I am of two minds of this. While it is true that Babe Ruth's homerun count is a better technical achievement, the achievement being listed is most homeruns in a season. If the achievement was "most homeruns in the first 154 games", then Babe clearly beat Maris. However, this is not the case. So for all intends and purposes a Season is a Season, end of story. Maris should be given due credit for his achievement. If people care to make distinctions, they can note the number of games played for their personal purposes. This record is a public one of a specific meaning. So lets leave things such that they are. Alyeska ( talk) 22:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
At the time (I remember it), the 162 game season was thought to be a temporary aberration, that they'd eventually get back to 154 as God Intended. WHPratt ( talk) 17:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
When Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs, he didn't have to deal with night games. Or road trips to California. Or integration. -- Muboshgu ( talk) 01:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Maris also got his 61 homeruns in less at bats than Ruth got his 60. Maybe Ruth would have had more homeruns if he played in a 162 game season. Or maybe he'd have gotten hurt, we can't know this. The asterisk is indefensible. And the thing is, no matter how many of Ruth's records fall, it doesn't diminish his legacy one bit.-- RLent ( talk) 16:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Since Maris didn't hit his first homer until (as I recall) the 11th game of the season, he still beats the 154-game limit, hitting 61 in 151 games. The simple fact is that the "asterisk" issue was raised for one reason, and one reason only - to protect Ruth's home run record. If, for example, we were talking about the record for strikeouts in a season by a pitcher, no one would have suggested any such thing. In '61, I think Rube Waddell's 349 strikeouts in 1904 was the "modern day" record. Would anyone have wanted to protect Waddell's record? No. Maris hit 61 fair and square. All the differences being discussed basically cancel each other out - Maris may have faced weaker pitching, but Ruth didn't have to play night game or travel across the country. (And I don't buy the "weaker pitching" argument anyway. If that was the case, why didn't we see more 40-plus home run seasons? That didn't happen until steroids became an issue.) Elsquared ( talk) 07:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
"One famous photograph lined up six 1961 Yankee players, including Mantle, Maris, Yogi Berra, and Bill Skowron, under the nickname "Murderers Row," because they hit a combined 165 home runs that year."
This is confusing. If the six were Maris (61), Mantle(54), Skowron(28), Berra(22), Howard(21) and Blanchard(21), they indeed totalled 207 home runs in 1961. Someone changed it to 165, and if, oh say, Whitey Ford and Bobby Richardson were the others in the picture, that might have been almost true. Either name all six or let this go. WHPratt ( talk) 16:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
You have Maris listed as a 3x World Series champion in 1961, 1962 and 1967. What? The St. Louis Cardinals beat the Boston Red Sox in the '67 World Series. However, the first two years cited are correct. 1967 should be deleted from your list for Maris in 1967. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.225.153.127 ( talk) 20:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
World Series champion team (1961, 1962, 1967) is correct. Or WS champion team (1961, 1962, 1967). Its a team recognition. His career highlight is being a WS champion team member for those years, not being the WS "champion" for those years.
I find it impressive that, after 49 years, Maris still holds the American League season HR record. Unless somebody rises to the occasion, it'll be half a century come October. Perhaps that should make it into the initial paragraph. Major League Baseball of late has been downplaying the individuality of the Leagues. Still, if the steroid ban is effective, this record may stand through 2061. WHPratt ( talk) 16:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Its more than impressive, Maris, Amer. League Home Run Champion should be in Hall of "Fame"; All Star player, 2 MVP's, extraordinary fielding average, what else they want/need? How many years did Maris play with a bad hand? Wonder if those sport writers would smile like they wanted Maris to smile (for them) if their brother was in a wheelchair like Maris's brother was in 61. Sport writers said Clemente was faking his neck thing. Clemente was in a car accident with his brother (killed) before Clemente became a Pro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves ( talk • contribs) 06:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Info Box / Biography, Maris is a 4-time All-Star (7 All-Star games) not "7x All-Star". Why hasn't anyone corrected this? MLB authorities such as hall of fame give correct "times" in regard to All-Star times.— Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves ( talk • contribs) 07:14, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
What are your sources? Maris was "named" (HOF site source) to the All-Star squad 4 times. Are you saying Maris is not a "4-time All-Star, according to appropriate baseball sources? If so, then you and whoever else (Yankees 10) is controlling the Info Boxes and then changing the Articles for times All-Star haven't checked and or are ignoring what appropriate baseball sources say. The sources go by times selected an All-Star for a season not amount of AS games played a season. See Nellie Fox at Hall of Fame site, "12-time All-Star" not 16xtimes All-Star.
We're discussing how many times Maris was an All-Star, 4 or 7? You haven't shown sources that actually says he's a "7-time All-Star". Aparicio is a 10-time All-Star not "13" (Yankees 10). Aparicio Hall of Fame biography has, "was named to the All-Star squad 10 times". [3]. The main thing is these players were All-Stars and how many years (times) they were All-Stars not how many games they played.
Maris was chosen for the American League All-Star team/squad four times (four time All-Star) not seven. There were 2 games sometimes with 2 separate All-Star team lineups. Playing two AS games doesn't make you a two-time All-Star nor does playing a double header make you a two-time major leaguer.
1961: Maris and Aparicio were each chosen once to become 1961 MLB All-Stars (1-time AL Roster).
Aparicio HOF bio that I referenced above says "he was named to the All-Star squad 10 times" which means he was a MLB All-Star 10 years (10-times) (played in 13/14 games).
Fox's HOF bio I referenced too
[4]? "12-time All-Star" which means he was a MLB All-Star 12 years (12-times) (played in 15 games).
Maris MLB All-Star, 4 years (4 All-Star selections) (4 AL Rosters) (played 7/8 games) --
YahwehSaves (
talk) 10:37, 22 December 2012
Boxes should be simple and in order and not having All-Star placed first in the Box. All these x's aren't necessary -
some boxes for example have:
* 2x All-Star
* 2x World Series champion
* 2x AL MVP
* 2x Gold Glove Award winner:
Maris
2xAL MVP (1960, 1961) is different (7xAll-Star, no AL), repetitive, and inconsistant.
MVP (1960, 1961)
Gold Glove (1960)
All-Star (1959,...)
World Series champion team (1961, 1962, 1967)
The article mentions that Rudy Maris died in the 1990s, but here is an article that suggests that Rudy was still alive in 2005. That section of the article has been the subject of some back-and-forth editing and I didn't want to just jump in and make it worse. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 23:25, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Earlier I added a bit about a sportswriter's perception of Maris's Hall of Fame candidacy. It contained a direct quotation including the words "for crying out loud." User:YahwehSaves added the word "crine" to the paragraph. I took it out, since it misquoted the author. The phrase "for crine out loud", which isn't reflected in the cited source, was added to the article just now. In an effort not to edit war, I am bringing this here. What in the heck is going on? EricEnfermero HOWDY! 05:19, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
His mother was Ann Corinne Sturbitz not Perkovich. Lizo128 ( talk) 00:54, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
The article has been tagged for missing sources since 2010. I have added some sources, removed some unsourced material, and tagged some unsourced material. SunCrow ( talk) 07:57, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
The controversy requires the explanation that Ruth's homeruns could have included balls that bounced over the fence, as that was the rule when Ruth hit his 60, but not when Maris hit his 61. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 20:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC))
Article needs serious work, and parts of it are straight ripe from the movie without citation at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjgionz ( talk • contribs) 08:34, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Guys, stop removing the context in the introduction. Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire using steroids isn’t conjecture. It’s a proven fact that was admitted to under oath 2600:1700:1305:40:B516:19AE:24D1:AF04 ( talk) 09:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Edit war is ongoing by multiple users deleting information that has a cited source Joeblacko ( talk) 05:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)