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Some Junior Leagues are considered "Professional"
Current revision by Mr Pyles: corrected opening paragraph(junior isn't 'pro' )
Junior, particulary Canadian "Major Junior" is considered "professional" by the NCAA for instance. I'm not sure of where the Teepees were at the time, but according to several biographies, he was playing "pro" hockey. --
Jleous07:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Major Junior players here in Canada do not receive a salary for playing. They get their meals and living arrangements paid for. Plus they receive a modest weekly 'living allowance', but do not have to claim it as income. The 'pro' mentioned in Crozier bios refers to his years spent with the Buffalo Bisons and Pittsburgh Hornets in the AHL. And the Sault Ste. Marie Thunderbirds of the EPHL. He spent 3 years in total in those 2 leagues before moving up to the NHL
Mr Pyles
Strange about the way he died
I don't know anything about this man, but I noticed his name while browsing Category:Pancreatic cancer deaths. He's listed under R instead of C. Which doesn't seem to matter that much because after a short skim of the article it looks like he died of prostate cancer?
66.82.9.10417:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)reply
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BetacommandBot03:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)reply
GENERAL COMMENT In general, I would like to see the team season when appropriate. "Red Wings squared off against the Montreal Canadiens in the 1966 Stanley Cup Finals" should not link to the same Canadiens article that " In the first round, they were matched up against the Montreal Canadiens." when we are seven seasons apart. I have had issue with some
WP:HOCKEY editors in this regard. When you are talking about a specific game or series opponent it should link to a team season, IMO.--
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19:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Article needs a background section. Recall that the
WP:LEAD is suppose to summarize the article. Thus, the main body of the article should tell us where he was born in at least as great detail as the lead that summarizes it.--
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15:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)reply
My first important hockey memories were the
1975 Stanley Cup playoffs and my earliest significant sports playoff memories were this season (apologies to the
1973–74 Buffalo Braves, but I don't remember anything from those playoffs). I sort of remember Gare's OT goal (IIRC, it was a rush with Rammer and Luce and he shot a wristshot from the wing). and definitely remember thinking tanks were going to overtake our city because we lost the war in the end (I was 9 and a little confused about geopolitical wars and the wars described on my sports pages). I don't understand how this article could be complete without mentioning the name
Gerry Desjardins. What happened that Desjardins got over 70% of the playoff minutes after only playing 9 regular season games. I actually remember Desjardins as my team's first goaltender. Please tell me why this is.--
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15:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I've added the names of his wife and daughters in the post-career section. Also, I was able to find a little information on his background (when he first started playing goalie and how many siblings he has). My main tool of research is the Internet, and I haven't been able to find any mention of his parents at all. Maybe in books there will be some mention of them but I don't have the books. Also, I believe I did cover the beginning of the 62-63 season. It should be the first two sentences of Early Career. If the problems were not fully addressed or if there are more please tell me. Thanks!
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00:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)reply
The fact that you are limited to the internet does not diminish your responsibility to meet
WP:WIAGA. You will need to find a source of information from his local newspapers or something to identify his parents. Can you contact the local library from his area of origin.--
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Is "Crozier would be the last NHL goaltender to start all of his team's games during the regular season." a LEADworth fact? I sort of think so, but am open to an argument to the contrary.--
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Something like "was the first player ever to win the Conn Smythe Trophy while playing on the losing team and remains the last NHL goaltender to have started all of his team's regular season games" would be O.K. by me.--
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"Crozier suffered a leg injury which seemed to lower the Red Wings' morale for the rest of the series" needs a
WP:IC and probably some quotes in order to remain in its entirety. I just don't see the connection between an injury and team morale in professional sports. Injuries are a part of the game.--
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The source for this is source #16. It's right after the next sentence after it. The source covers both sentences so I put it after the second one.
Heroman26 (
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21:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Ok, thank you for your time in assessing this article. I'll take all your suggestions and implement them in the article (the background section needs the most work obviously). Hopefully in the future after all these fixes, this article will be at GA status.
Heroman26 (
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02:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
No need to capitalise "game" in "Game 4" and "Game 5" for the finals, and the numbers should be spelt out, so "Game 4" should be "game four" for example.
"His mother was Mildred "Austin" Crozier.." Was Austin her nickname? If it was her maiden name, then render it as "His mother was Mildred Crozier (née Austin).."
As you use OHA, you need to mention this acronym after "the Ontario Hockey Association" in the first sentence of the section. Similar for AHL and EPHL later.
"During Crozier's time with the Red Wings, he convinced their management that he was the next to be." What does this mean? Needs rewriting to explain the point it is trying to make.
I reworded it into "Although Crozier played in only 15 games, he impressed management enough that they decided he was going to be their next starting goaltender.". Hopes this makes more sense.
Heroman26 (
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00:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)reply
"During the off-season, Sawchuk was left unprotected during the intraleague waiver draft, .." This needs to be explained, either through links or a note for laypeople.
Throughout the article the links to NHL seasons should be tidied, so that they don't redirect through the page with a hyphen, but go directly to the page with an endash.
"Crozier would be the last NHL goaltender to start all of his team's games during the regular season." This would read a lot better rephrased to something like: "Crozier remains the most recent NHL goaltender to start.."
"..suffered a leg injury which seemed to lower the Red Wings' morale.." According to who? Opinion like this needs to be attributed in the text, or it seems like
WP:OR.
Changed it to "Even though Detroit lost the Stanley Cup, Crozier was awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy, which is awarded to the most valuable player in the playoffs.".
Heroman26 (
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00:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)reply
"..Crozier started only 58 of the Red Wings games.." Out of how many?
Generally the part of the article about the "Fog game" needs to be toned down a little: "infamous" and "dramatically" are both peacocky terms, and "the temperature skyrocketed" is not encyclopaedic language. "The next two periods saw Crozier allowing one goal, .." Would be better phrased, "Over the next two periods, Crozier allowed one goal, .."
Shortened and fixed the "unencyclopaedic" language. It is now written as "Game three of the Finals in Buffalo was known as the "Fog Game". A heat wave in May hit the arena and with no air conditioning inside, the temperature increased. Fog started to develop and soon visibility decreased. Gerry Desjardins was the starting goaltender but after allowing three goals in the first period, he was replaced by Crozier. Crozier allowed one goal during the rest of the game, helping his team win 5–4 in overtime.".
Heroman26 (
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00:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)reply
"Crozier was allowed to start.." Would "selected" be better than "allowed" here?
Sorry, I can't find any reliable credentials for the website. Should I remove all info that can not be backed up by sources other than "sabreslegends.com".
Heroman26 (
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00:20, 16 September 2013 (UTC)reply
None of the information that this is supporting looks particularly contentious, but if you can find another source that supports the same information, that would be better, particularly if you want to move the article on to Featured status. Harriastalk10:00, 22 September 2013 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your work, there are only a couple of minor points remaining, but the article is certainly of Good quality already. I will trust that you will sort out the ALT text, and the information provided by sabreslegends.com, but I am happy to promote the article to Good status in the meantime. Well done. Harriastalk10:00, 22 September 2013 (UTC)reply
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"While playing in the minors, Crozier adopted the butterfly style of goaltending, which he used during his NHL career. Glenn Hall had made this technique popular and Crozier improved upon it.[2]"
This statement is ridiculous. Crozier did not improve the butterfly style over Glenn Hall. Hall was a considerably better goalie than Crozier. Crozier was a farm hand behind Hall with Chicago. This article is far
too fan-girlish and lacks objectivity.
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