The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Roekiah and
Rd Mochtar were the first celebrity couple in the
Dutch East Indies, despite Roekiah being married?
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"beginning singing by the early 1930s" -> might want to allude to it being her career here, as opposed to just starting the actual practice. "beginning her singing career by the early 1930s" or "beginning work in music" or whatever suits best. Done "After signing with Tan's Film for their 1938 work Fatima" -> I'd change work to production but that's just me. Sure "and keroncong (traditional music with Portuguese influences[4]) singer" -> could this maybe by "and singer of keroncong (traditional music with Portuguese influences[4])", so that the aside doesn't split a phrase? Not sure if "singer of pop" or "singer of rock" would be allowed (keroncong is a genre, after all) but I agree about the parenthetical. Hmm. By that analogue, I'd be okay with "singer of pop music" so surely "singer of keroncong music (...)" would be fine. Done "Roekiah and Kartolo received 150 gulden and 50 gulden respectively monthly" -> not keen on the two adverbs side by side here; try "Roekiah and Kartolo received a monthly holding fee 150 gulden and 50 gulden respectively," Done
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I'm fine taking the image as is; but I believe you mentioned it possibly being free in Indonesia too when you mentioned this article to me. Is there any update on that?
Check the file page (free in US and Indonesia, not free in the Netherlands [the colonial power which may still allow copyright protection for the image], hence this is hosted locally) —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 00:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)reply
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
You know the drill. Not exactly a hefty schedule to fix this one up, and nothing's really an issue so much as me being fussy.
GRAPPLEX 00:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)reply
Well I'm satisfied. Fling some more at me if you get a chance. I'm wondering how deep a GT on a single film needs to be; might be worth looking into if you're working so thoroughly through this particular field.
GRAPPLEX 01:13, 9 September 2012 (UTC)reply
That's what I was thinking, is the film plus its primary cast and crew enough. This one's a small production so it's less tricky than wondering would, say Fight Club (film); Fight Club,
Brad Pitt,
Edward Norton and
David Fincher be enough to work (as is that's just missing Fincher as there's 2 FAs and 2 GAs, which is probably why I'm wondering). Ah well; that's for a whole other time really. Well done.
GRAPPLEX 01:25, 9 September 2012 (UTC)reply
Gagak Item / Gagak Hitam
Just to let you know that I have changed a link from Gagam Hitam to Gagak Item, since the latter is the predominant spelling; besides, the former spelling produces a red link.
Sources using Gagak Item
"Gagak Item". Bataviaasch Nieuwsblad (in Dutch). Batavia: Kolff & Co. 19 December 1939. p. 3. Retrieved 8 March 2013.
"(untitled)". Bataviaasch Nieuwsblad (in Dutch). Batavia: Kolff & Co. 19 December 1939. p. 8. Retrieved 8 March 2013.
"Filmaankondiging Cinema Palace: 'Gagak Item'". Bataviaasch Nieuwsblad (in Dutch). Batavia: Kolff & Co. 21 December 1939. p. 12. Retrieved 8 March 2013. {{
cite news}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (
help)
"(untitled)". Soerabaijasch Handelsblad (in Dutch). Surabaya: Kolff & Co. 28 March 1940. p. 3. Retrieved 8 March 2013.
"Kartolo". filmindonesia.or.id (in Indonesian). Konfidan Foundation. Archived from
the original on 22 September 2012. Retrieved 8 March 2013. {{
cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (
help)
"Gagak Item". filmindonesia.or.id (in Indonesian). Jakarta: Konfiden Foundation. Archived from
the original on 4 March 2013. Retrieved 8 March 2013. {{
cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (
help)
"Roekiah". filmindonesia.or.id (in Indonesian). Konfidan Foundation. Archived from
the original on 13 August 2012. Retrieved 8 March 2013. {{
cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (
help)
Note that the earliest sources, in Dutch, use Gagak Item.
Nite-Sirk (
talk) 18:30, 8 March 2013 (UTC)reply
D'oh! Should have double checked the spelling. Thanks for catching that. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 04:04, 9 March 2013 (UTC)reply
(Particularly embarrassing as I wrote both...) —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 04:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Nationality
The article says she was an "Indonesian kroncong singer and film actress". Wouldn't it be better to call her an Indian (I'm not that good at English, doesn't Indian only mean native American) singer? It was only until 1949 that Indonesia got acknowledged as a country.
FeyBart (
talk) 19:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)reply
I should explain: these days, if you say someone is "Indian", that means they are from
India. As you may already know, when Christopher Columbus discovered what we now call the West Indies (part of the "New World"), he believed it was part of India, and therefore he thought that the inhabitants were Indians. The name "Indian" kind of stuck after that, which is why for man years the natives of the Americas were called Indians, even though of course they weren't actually from India. These days we say "Native Americans" or "Amerindians". And this lady is from
Bandung,
West Java. That was then part of what was known as the "
Dutch East Indies" and what we would now call
Indonesia. Actually "Indonesia" is a name which actually goes as far back as 1850. I think we have to call this lady Indonesian in the introduction for clarity. Immediately after the intro comes the biography which explains exactly where she was born.
Invertzoo (
talk) 21:02, 5 May 2014 (UTC)reply
Thanks, Invertzoo. That's what I was going for. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 00:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)reply
While we're on the subject of "Indonesian", there was an addition to the IB to add that as her ethnicity, I'm not sure Indonesian classifies as an ethnicity, but thought I'd leave it to those with a better grasp to make the call. -
SchroCat (
talk) 05:58, 6 May 2014 (UTC)reply
Sorry I missed this. No, definitely a no go. Her ethnicity was mixed Sundanese and Malay. Indonesian was her nationality for the x months she lived past the proclamation (if we go with the 1945 independence date) —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 14:27, 15 June 2014 (UTC)reply
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