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I just reverted this article's intro to a much earlier version, to combat what I perceived to be substantial pro-Mugabe changes that involved (i) insertion of unsourced POV material, and (ii) deletion of well-sourced NPOV material. I don't mean to assert that this reversion is to the best possible introduction, but I sure think it's an improvement.
In general, for pro-Mugabe content this article currently leans heavily on a surprising source: Mugabe himself. I would think that there would always be the expectation that the claims of an article's subject would be considered POV and hence excluded from articles, in favor of alternative, independent sources. Jeremy ( talk) 03:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
At best, I would say a succession section on a person's biography is not of better taste. Maybe a bit more in a Zanu-PF Wiki article. But it's true that Mugabe has been elected into power for a long time and some discussion about succession may be relevant.
Still, some details in the succession section need to be rewritten to make the text more readable. Especially aspect that are not related to the succession issue. For example Operation Murambatsvina, while an interesting subject in Zimbabwean politic, has no place in a succession section. As well as the discussion on when to hold the presidential/parliamentary 2008 elections. The issue was interesting at one point but just not pertinent to the succession discussion. I also want to add sourced mention of Emmerson Mnangagwa as a possible successor to Mugabe. Analyzer99 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC).
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Please change Robert Gabriel Karikoga Mugabe to Robert Gabriel Mugabe as the name Karikoga it not factual.
Munya ( talk) 14:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
99. "'Hitler' Mugabe launches revenge terror attacks– Telegraph". The Daily Telegraph (London). http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/03/26/wzim26.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/03/26/ixworld.html Retrieved 22 May 2010.
This article is not found at that address anymore. Via Google i found the new address: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/4186630/Hitler-Mugabe-launches-revenge-terror-attacks.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.31.52.164 ( talk) 13:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
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This article is so biased as to be beyond belief This is what the world reads about Robert Mugabe The Angels weep Lets have some input about the Shona incursions into Matabeleland The murder mayhem and self profiteering. What this bastard did to our Rhodesia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nighthawkx15 ( talk • contribs) 23:34, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Agreed -- Scottykira ( talk) 09:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
The article is now biased and has been biased for some time. There does not seem to be any hope of this changing given the way Wikipedia has become. I am very sorry to the people who may be hurt or killed because of this terribly biased article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.88.140 ( talk) 07:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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Concerning this change Handy-TV ( talk) 14:01, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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Analyzer99 ( talk) 23:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Analyzer, allegations by several sources have to be mentioned. So stop your vandalism-lobbying for Mugabe! Another revert will result in notification on Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Handy-TV ( talk) 19:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
The section about Robert Mugabe enjoying trips to North Wales is uncited (the citation for the previous sentence says nothing about it). The fact that no trains actually run from London Paddington to Wrexham makes it particularly dubious. Without a clear citation, this text should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.104.16 ( talk) 20:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Mugabe did not overthrow the Smith Regime, it had already stepped down and he was terrorizing a democratically elected government lead by Abel Muzorewa and put their by a voting process involving 64% of Africans in Zimbabwe. Mugabe did not win ANY elections EVER he used an ARMY. All elections with armies existing dedicated to putting one man into power are fraudalent. If you want to say Mugabe won the election you have to say Saddam Hussein Hosni Mubarak and Ghaddaffi won their elections to. This article is rubbish and needs a re-write right from the start. If Mugabe overthrew the Smith Regime Obama succeeded Bill Clinton not George Bush as President of the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.60.226 ( talk) 13:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
There is no English pronunciation for Robert Mugabe's name. That is simply ridiculous. Only the Shona pronunciation is the correct pronunciation. It is also inconsistent with other articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.138.105 ( talk) 23:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
There is no evidence of Robert Mugabe ever being awarded a degree, honorary or otherwise, by the University of Oxford. He is a known liar. 129.97.222.127 ( talk) 05:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Robert Mugabe's mother Bona was most probably non-Shona from her European name. No Shona could have given her child European name when the European hatred and takeover of their country was still fresh in their mind. She is probably an orphan of foreign stock raised at Chishawasha mission by Jesuit priests where she met Gabriel Matibili who later married her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Propagandatruth ( talk • contribs) 09:57, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Robert Mugabe's mother Bona was most probably non-Shona from her European name. No Shona could have given her child European name when the European hatred and takeover of their country was still fresh in their mind. She is probably an orphan of foreign stock raised at Chishawasha mission by Jesuit priests where she met Gabriel Matibili who later married her. My grandmother was born in 1915 and she had two names one English one Shona. She got the English name after being baptised into the Catholic Church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Propagandatruth ( talk • contribs) 10:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
"Mujuru's candidacy for the presidency is strengthened by the backing of her husband, Solomon Mujuru"
Solomon Mujuru is now late please edit the above in the article page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigrod03 ( talk • contribs) 11:18, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Picture kinda makes him look like Hitler... I wonder if that's just coincidence... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.24.97 ( talk) 03:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Robert Rotberg believes that Zimbabwe is on the brink of becoming a failed state in a 2002 Foreign Affairs Journal article. I realize the article is about Mugabe and not the status of Zimbabwe, but Rotberg very specifically states that Mugabe caused Zimbabwe's near-failed-state-ness. This should be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lacarids ( talk • contribs) 06:46, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Just a passer-by's reaction: This article -- and the lead section specifically -- seems overly technical and perhaps biased. Per WP:LEAD, the lead should be brief and provide a much shorter overview of Mugabe's tenure. I am also surprised that there is no mention in the lead of the two criticisms that have pervaded all of the news reports, at least in the U.S.: (1) that Mugabe has been responsible for Zimbabwe's economic decline, and (2) that the 2008 election was rigged and Mugabe isn't the rightful prime minister. Both of these criticisms are in the article but buried deeply. I would think, based on the pervasiveness of these viewpoints and their widespread reporting in the mainstream media, that they would be featured prominently and included in the lead section. Perhaps someone (with much more knowledge of the subject than I) could take a stab at these changes. -- Nstrauss ( talk) 08:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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Under the sub heading Health and succession this article said Joyce Mujuru's chances of succeeding Robert Mugabe are strengthened by her husbund Solomon Mujuru. However this is no longer accurate because Solomomo Mujuru passed away on 15 August 2011
Source: http://www.radiovop.com/index.php/national-news/6899-solomon-mujuru-dies-in-suspicious-fire.html
Owenkaridza ( talk) 11:50, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Please update the section about honorary degrees under Criticism and opposition. MSU has revoked his honorary degree in 2008: http://diverseeducation.com/article/11685/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zrs413 ( talk • contribs) 04:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
In the very first line of this article, the 4th word (GCB) is no longer valid. He was stripped of this honour as per the section "Honours and Revocations" first paragraph, third sentence. Please adjust the article's openeing sentence to be consistent with the rest of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.148.83.203 ( talk) 23:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
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if he a dictator, then he is good dictator and its not for anyone but5 zimbabweans to tell. 197.221.242.144 ( talk) 13:15, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Oh and some random wrote at the start that he is a c u n t. Please change that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.142.200.134 ( talk) 02:07, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
I've removed a neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 02:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Bobby Mugab? A criminal? A good leader? A charlatan? A member of the illuminati? No one seems to agree. But what we can agree on is this: He's one weird lookin' mofo. I mean look at his mouth. Room in the article for a few lines on his super weird mouth? Also the first damned line of the article calls him a gorilla. That's racist as hell, and needs to be deleted. 98.174.171.43 ( talk) 09:22, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Have just cleaned these up, using Barack Obama as a template. In external links, there were a whole series of newspaper articles and commentaries which I've removed - if they are relevant, useful, they should be cited in the text not just dumped in external links - see WP:ELNO1. Some are articles/commentaries about him, others about Zim government, others about Zim in general. In case anyone wants to use the links to improve the article, I'm posting them here:
I've also removed ZANU-PF and Gukurahundi from see also -pointless, they are linked in the article many times and actually in the lead itself. Babakathy ( talk) 08:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Honors # 8-19 need more citations, since the original link that supported them is dead, and also a non-neutral source (the government controlled by Mugabe) Mugabe has ruled since the 1980s. ( http://www.gta.gov.zw/president%20bio/president_bio_contents.htm)
http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20101029224442993 24.27.183.138 ( talk) 10:00, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
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The article says Robert Mugabe was preceded by Zail Singh which is incorrect. Zail Singh was a President of India and had nothing to do with Zimbabwe Milindind ( talk) 11:22, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
I notice that the Category section at the bottom of this article includes "Zimbabwean Marxists", however the article itself doesn't mention any Marxist association that I can see. I don't actually know whether Robert Mugabe claims to be a Marxist or not but it seems to me that the Category section and the article should be consistent. If he is a Marxist then that should be mentioned in the text and if not then the Category entry should presumably be removed.
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Michigan State University revoked Mugabe's degree: http://www.wgvu.org/wgvunews/index.cfm?id=sdetail&sty=852
Please update to longer state that it is under consideration. 204.136.26.41 ( talk) 20:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Every time I visit this article, I see the following passage:
"In April 1979, 64% of the black citizens of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) lined up at the polls to vote in the first democratic election in the history of that southern African nation. Two-thirds of them supported Abel Muzorewa, a bishop in the United Methodist Church. He was the first black prime minister of a country only 4% white. Muzorewa's victory put an end to the 14-year political odyssey of outgoing prime minister Ian Smith, who had infamously announced in 1976, "I do not believe in black majority rule—not in a thousand years."
Less than a year after Muzorewa's victory, however, in February 1980, another election was held in Zimbabwe. This time, Robert Mugabe, who had fought a seven-year guerilla war against Rhodesia's white-led government, won 64% of the vote, after a campaign marked by widespread intimidation, outright violence, and Mugabe's threat to continue the civil war if he lost. Mugabe became prime minister and was toasted by the international community and media as a new sort of African leader."
I have never quite understood the point of having discussion pages and having intelligent Wikipedians surveying the page for vandalism if monstrously opinionated and deceptive statements like this can be made and can remain on the article for months if not years without any effort made to remove them. This type of stuff belongs in conservapedia, not wikipedia. Aside from the glaring absence of citations (and I believe that's a slight misquotation of Smith), the author of these paragraphs has a very clear POV and has made no attempt to disguise it, but has through careful selection and ommission of facts, attempted to convince the reader of it, rather than presenting the situation in a balanced light. I therefore suggest that these paragraphs be deleted forthwith.
86.183.216.108 ( talk) 11:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I would like to hear how the description above misrepresents the situation. At all. But whatever is said, it does need to be cited properly. 68.108.171.141 ( talk) 21:03, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Does he has a Shona birth name in his native tongue? If so, what is it?
Me 08:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gr0koewi ( talk • contribs)
So Nigerians don't like him either? But seriously, we are not here to discuss that, but how to improve the article. 68.108.171.141 ( talk) 21:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, thank for the fabulous Wikipedia facility. {{edit semi-protected}
I question two-colour (black/white) branding of people as a guileful and racist Eurocentric continuum and I wish to amend relevant narrative instance of the words as appearing on the subject Wiki-page - Robert_Mugabe; the amending being to particular 'black' and 'white' two-colour colour-branding narrative (but not historical quotatiosns); as follows:
My reasoning
I believe my editorial request is supported in terms of the context of (and in my view, appropriate use of "African", in the following extract from the subject Wiki-page:
"At the end of the war in 1979, Mugabe emerged as a hero in the minds of many Africans."
I refer to reference Wiki-page - Black_people - and believe its contents validate my reasoning, and so supports my editorial request and intent. By the reference Web-page, it is evident Africans of their own volition referred to themselves as "Africans". As colour-branded people include children, it is important that such branding is clear and sufficiently unequivocal as to be clear to children in their formative years - so as not to leave children demeaned, confused or otherwise socially or mentally debilitated. Requiring a need to fathom "blackness" (as alluded to on the reference Web-page) is clearly inadmissible where children are concerned; unless their awareness and affects upon them, are deemed not to matter (and so they are not sentient human-beings) up until they become widely read adults.
I contend, and correlated facts and language in both subject and reference Wiki-pages agree, that current two-colour colour-branding of human-beings, by individuals and in national governance/academes, is as a consequence of guileful ingrained racist Eurocentrism - where 'whites equate Europeans while 'blacks' being the rest; barring where an instant person/people are cited in terms of particularly geographical root-affiliation and racial lineage.
Black-branding came into widened usage predominantly by way of 1960s campaigns originated and led by a set of people in the USA determined to submit to branding themselves as 'blacks' having declared they were no longer ashamed of being branded blacks by Europeans (who deemed themselves whites). It seems (in my view and upon the facts of the matter), a submission and state of affairs that reflect an emasculation of Africans by centuries-long enslavement - wherein a people discard terms fought for by their martyred forebears, and, submit without ashamedness, to a branding of their people, by those Europeans who, without care and heinos self-interest, shackled and grossly abused Africans' forebears both in Africa and abroad.
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You will remember to tell those children in their delicate formative years that Africans enslaved and oppressed their own people for centuries before the euros showed up? And that the Great Zimbabwe was built by slave labour (like the pyramids to the north)? Somehow, I think you will forget to do that.
As a resident of the USA I can tell you; white children are called 'white', and so on for all groups. There is color branding because people are color branded. Do you see? It is just a fact.
The term 'African American' is being objected to as too confusing for black Americans, as it can include Arabs from North Africa and people from the Carib. Islands also have been known to object to it. I know of several Hatians in Miami who on being naturalized object to being called 'African' anything; they say their families have lived in the New World for generations.
I mention all this just so you will understand why your request will prob be denied. It will not be because WikiPedia is haunted by inveterate racists. 68.108.171.141 ( talk) 21:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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please change remove Simon Muzenda as vice president because he is no longer alive
please change Joice Mujuru to Phelekezela Mphoko because Joice Mujuru was removed form her post
all changes are to be done in the vice president's sections
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There is a typo under "Second Congo War" heading Please change the word "respondeding" to "responding". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.56.196 ( talk) 20:18, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
What is the point of having the IPA for how Enlish speakers pronounce the name? The whole point of having the IPA is so people can see/ hear/ learn how it is pronounced, NOT to transcribe into the phonetic alphabet how they already (mis)pronounce it. It is not ( /muːˈɡɑːbiː/ moo-GAH-bee, it is ( /muːˈɡɑːbɛ/ moo-GAH-beh. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 22:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
It is indeed pronounced /muːˈɡɑːbɛ/. Why has this change not been made by the protectors of the page? Graaf1 ( talk) 13:21, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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Images from Mugabe's 92nd birthday suggest he is referred to not as Robert or Mugabe, but by his clan name Gushungo. It seems very odd that everyone calls him Gushungo but there's no mention of it in the BLP. 76.181.233.121 ( talk) 21:18, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
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The article should include his decision of imprisoning the entire Olympic team from Zimbabwe because he was not happy with the lack of success in the Rio Olympic Games 2016. This type of behavior is typical for him. http://www.reportsafrique.com/2016/08/robert-mugabe-orders-the-arrest-of-zimbabwean-olympic-team-for-not-winning-any-medal/ 10:45, 27 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joreberg ( talk • contribs)
Please change "at lengthy" to "at length"
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Currently reads: "Mandela arrived in London in September 1979." This is unlikely as Mandela was in prison in South Africa 1979. Sentence should probably be changed to "Mugabe arrived in London in September 1979." MCanzi ( talk) 00:48, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Currently there is a broken citation in the article below the "Imprisonment: 1963–75" heading. It reads {sfnm|1a1=Blair|1y=2002|1p=23|2a1=Meredith|2y=2002|2pp=36-37}} Please either fix the citation or remove the text. Also, the last line under the same heading reads, "he would have to make command of ZANLA." I believe it should read "take" rather than "make" HigherEd2 ( talk) 07:44, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Article is locked/cannot change.
Please change "had the sole right to important and distribute grain" to "had the sole right to import and distribute grain" (change important to import).
The page should inform. Xx236 ( talk) 12:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
@ Midnightblueowl: the following short citations are broken: Blair 2000, Galaggher 2015, Holland 2009. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 15:37, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
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United Nations General Assembly On 25 August 1980, Zimbabwe was admitted to the United Nations and PM Mugabe led the Zimbabwean delegation to take their seat. Bucksscot ( talk) 14:15, 19 May 2017 (UTC)