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Unless you have sources that he or his church specifically advocated that term, if we're using outdated ones we could just as well say "
negro". (He was even named "Negro Richard".) That said, the
WP:NPOV terms for 21st-century American discourse are black and African American and there's no need to use the broader "colored". To my knowledge, none of Allen's congregation at the African ME were Indian, Arab, or East Asian. —
LlywelynII02:23, 18 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Liars' Lairs
This article is beseiged by liars. No
colored people who lived in North America prior to
1866 could cast a vote, which means that those
negroes were not "Americans." There are certain articles in this web site at which
liars consistently operate. They are "Liars' Lairs" (extraordinarily so, too). Liars are determined to
brainwash the people of the world via the Internet.
Superslum04:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)reply
With respect, they probably aren't
lairs and, in the English language, residents of the United States with no other affiliation are still Americans even if they do not have the full rights of American citizens. There is also a difference between federal, state, and local suffrage in America. Not that things weren't bad, but I would be quite surprised if no black man could vote anywhere in America in any election until after 1865. —
LlywelynII02:34, 18 October 2013 (UTC)reply
The most accurate and precise legal descriptive for the Reverend Allen is "Free Negro." Free Negroes were not citizens of any nation. Free Negroes were similar (legally similar) to Jews who lived in various European nations, but who could not participate in the government of the nation in which they lived. Many Free Negroes lived in North America, early on. Wikipedia disallows the use of the term Free Negro, however. The term Free Negro had been extremely common in the United States until recently.
Superslum05:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure Wikipedia has any problem with "free negro", except
WP:USEENGLISH and
WP:ENGVAR mean neither should be capitalized and
WP:NPOV and
WP:USEENGLISH suggest we should go with "black" or "African American", given that our articles are written in the 21st century. Your use of the term to legally or mystically suggest something different from
freedman status probably lacks
WP:RS, though. They weren't stateless people: they were (
mistreated) legal residents of the United States. —
LlywelynII02:44, 18 October 2013 (UTC)reply
They could not vote
Free
Negroes did not own homes in
Philadelphia, ergo, there was no such thing as a "black community" in Philadelphia.
Free Negroes could not vote or participate in the affairs of the government, ergo, they were not "Americans" in any way. Slaves still toiled in
Pennsylvania at that time. Slaveowners lived in
Pennsylvania until the 1850s. People should stop their re-creating of the history of the
United States.
Superslum22:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Leaving aside Americans (already discussed) and that
community can refer to any group of people whether or not they have a dwelling or even live near one another, your suggestion that freedmen could not own private property in Quaker-based Pennsylvania is surprising. One of the claims to fame for Allen and the AME is that their church in Philly represents the longest continually black-owned property in the United States. If it spent its first decades owned by a white proxy or a legal entity nominally controlled by a white, it's probably worth finding
WP:RS and mentioning here and at the AME and church page. —
LlywelynII02:48, 18 October 2013 (UTC)reply
the Bullshit subsection
Wikipedia has developed a portion with pages composed of peculiar statements which appear to be the work of 12 to 15-years-old children who have been informed by watching Sesame Street and The PBS Network for a couple of years, intermittently. The article on the Reverend Allen fits into that
bullshit subsection.
New International Encyclopedia says:
ALLEN, Richard (1760-1831) A colored Methodist preacher. He was born in slavery, but bought his freedom and afterward acquired considerable wealth. He became a local Methodist preacher in 1782 and organized the first church for colored people in the United States, in Philadelphia, in 1793. He was the first colored minister ordained by Bishop Asbury (1799), and was elected a bishop of the African Methodist Episcopal Church on its formation in 1816. He died in Philadelphia.
The succinct words are exactly those contained in the
New International Encyclopedia. There are no other words relating to his owner, i.e., that his owner had a change of heart. His owner may have simply turned a profit by selling him his freedom. (The technique is known as "Buy low, sell high"). Now that I have expressed my great disdain for the
bullshit subsection of
Wikipedia, I shall forever keep my distance from
Richard Allen (reverend). Who placed that stupid template and those idiotic categories onto his page? "Toodle-ooh."
Superslum10:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Actually, African Americans could, and did, vote in PA until the state constitution was rewritten in 1838. The article isn't very substantive, but check
Black suffrage in Pennsylvania. There was a major incident in Bucks County the year before in which the Democrats lost the county elections by a small margin and blamed it on black voters in Middletown Township. That helped energize the campaign to disenfranchise African Americans in the state. — Preceding
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18:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)reply
The
Second Great Awakening section on African Americans suggests that the group existed prior to that and just became formally independent of the Methodists' white bishops in 1816. If that's in error and the organization didn't exist at all, it probably needs correcting as well. —
LlywelynII02:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Founding Congregations
I added the congregation in Attleborough (now Langhorne), Bucks County, PA, which was omitted from the list. The Society of Colored Methodists was founded in Attleborough in 1809 and sent delegates to the 1816 convention that founded the AME. This is noted in Daniel Alexander Payne's history of the AME and other sources. — Preceding
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