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Is the description of the plot correct? Charlemagne was centuries before the crusades...I can imagine the author of the chanson played around with history (as it seems to have been written during the height of the crusades), but I just wanted to check. Adam Bishop 02:08, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Is this the same Renaud that caught the eye of Armide?
Actually, no. The Rinaldo of Jerusalem Delivered is a descendant of the real Azzo II, count of Este and father of Welf I Duke of Bavaria. Is is speculated that Azzo II had another son named Bertoldo, who is the father of Rinaldo. According to legend, Azzo II is descended from Bradamante, Rinaldo of Montalban's sister.
Thank you for the clarification. I am not sure if Handel used this story. Louis XIV selected this story to be made into an opera by Jean-Baptiste Lully with text by Philippe Quinault. Christoph Willibald Gluck later used Quinault's text, minus the dialogue intended to flatter the Sun King, for his own opera. In addition to Lully and Gluck, composers that have used this story for opera include Joseph Haydn, Gioachino Rossini, and Antonin Dvorak. At least, this is what I read at the Lully Web Project [1].
Were the prose romances of the Renaud chansons de geste ever translated into English, for those who might want to read an English translation? I know there are translations for Orlando Innamorto and Orlando Furioso, so I'm wondering if Renaud's own stories got the same treatment, and what the best translations might be. People interested in medieval literature might find this interesting to know about.( 208.58.207.32 ( talk) 04:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC))
I propose that
Reinold be merged into
Renaud de Montauban. They are the same person: he later became a monk and was canonized in the Catholic church. See, for example, the de.wikipedia article
de:Reinoldus, which has both parts of his career. - Striking this out because it's apparently complicated. (a) he was martyred, but never actually canonized; (b) the identity of the two Reinolds/Renauds is denied by many historians, although there are texts that assert it and it has been important in Dortmund, where he is the patron saint. Reinold is an undeveloped article that would be relatively easy to merge into this article, and is also younger, and since there is apparently no alternative background for the saint, it still seems logical to treat the saint in the same article.
Yngvadottir (
talk)
19:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm surprised there isn't a section on the well-known (to art, costume, and dance history students, anyway) 15th c. cycle of paintings by Loyset Liedet, (Paris, Bibliotheque de l'Arsenal MS 5073) which include a) depictions of the brothers together, b) Renaud's marriage feast and c) an apparent/probable *basse danse* scene with a simultaneous panel showing he and Clarisse seated on their marriage bed afterwards. The wikimedia file for the latter is execrably pixilated and should be replaced, someone could do two favors in one if they could locate a better version and put up something about it. 96.233.98.79 ( talk) 17:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)