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I feel the defintion of Reformed theology as "adhering to and showing respect for much of the theology defined by John Calvin" is too narrow. Reformed theology today not only has its roots in quite a few reformers but also in writers and teachers in ages since, particularily the puritans both in England and the US. I tried to make this statement more inclusive of their work but so far haven't come up with a precise way to say it.
Under common traits, number 7, I changed the word "frutify" to "multiply". I am not aware of such a word and could not find it in any dictionary I have, so I changed it to something I think fits the intent. - Rlvaughn 19:05, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This article is very dishonest. If you look at http://www.newcovenanttheology.com and http://www.newcovenanttheology.com/doctrine.html you will see that the consistent teaching of the 1646 particular baptists is not covenant theology, but rather New Covenant Theology. The two primary doctrines that cause these folks to stand out from the 1689 baptists is the teaching that the law cannot cause conviction, that the terrors of the law are not necessary to prepare one to receive the gospel, and that the gospel alone convicts savingly. Even in most NCT circles, including the reference at this Wiki site, people still use the law unlawfully, seeking repentance in men for this or that sin, rather than the sin of unbelief through the power of the gospel alone, the ONLY sword of the spirit. Those 1646 folk also were correct in opposing the doctrine of eternal generation of the Son, realizing that has its fulfillment in , at the resurrection of the dead, which is the only true begatting of the Son! While many particular baptists adopted covenant theology, and took on the 1689 confession, as did many American baptists including the Southern Baptists, the 1646 people would have nothing of that teaching and called the papists and their Protestant children false teachers. A scholarly fellow needs to reflect that truth in this article. user:bgamall
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I think the current definition of Reformed Baptist is pretty problematic. The term itself is not without controversy with some claiming that Baptists cannot properly be reformed (see R.Scott. Clark). If there is *any* truth to Clark's comments, certainly they suggest that equating "Reformed Baptist" with a Baptist that merely accepts reformed soteriology flattens out the definition of Reformed quite badly. I would suggest there are at least two categories here:
Calvinistic Baptists are those Baptists who accept Reformed Soteriology but do not necessarily see themselves as attached to other elements of the Reformed tradition. Specifically, Calvinistic Baptists accept some version of TULIP, and acronym sometimes used to summarize Reformed Soteriology. TULIP is usually expanded Total depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and Perseverance of the saints. On issues like sacrementology, eschatology, and Church government, Calvinistic Baptists may draw on sources other than the Reformation to form their views.
Reformed Baptists see themselves as attached to the tradition of the Reformation in ways beyond mere soteriology. Some have said a person is Reformed if his theology comports with the three C's, Calvinistic, Confessional, and Covenantal. [1]
"Calvinistic" refers to Reformed Soteriology. This may be summarized by the acronym TULIP, though more properly it points back to the Canons of Dort from which TULIP was derived.
"Confessional" refers to the fact that the Reformed typically subscribe to a particular historical document as their doctrinal standard. These standards address a broad range of issues far beyond soteriology. For non-baptists these confessions might include the Westminister Confession of Faith or the Three Forms of Unity. Baptists might subscribe to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, The First London Baptist Confession, The New Hampshire Confession or similar documents.
"Covenantal" refers to belief in a form of Covenant Theology. Covenant Theology is a broad hermeneutical framework that impacts one's overall view of the scriptures. It stands in contrast to Dispensationalism which is a major alternate hermeneutical framework. Baptist covenant theology may take may forms including 1689 Federalism.
I think the above provides a much better definition of what it means to be a reformed baptist and provides nuance that is very valuable in understanding the current theological landscape. Calvinerd 05/24/2023
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Although one cannot be precise as to a definition of being famous, it's probably sufficient to exclude names which would not be well known to most Reformed Baptists. That's why I removed the names associated with Exe Gia Publishing from this section, and instead (to be clear that this isn't vandalism), I added a link to the site in the external links section. DFH 20:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Someone added that to list John Piper under Famous Reformed Baptists is "disputed". As they gave no source which shows that this is disputed, I have tagged the entry with the {{fact}} template. Note that the point for consideration is not whether you dispute it, but whether there are citable sources to show that this is disputed, i.e. by sufficiently notable commentators. DFH 20:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that not all Reformed Baptists are Sabbatarians or hold to a Covenant Theology position. Most of the profs at my school who are Reformed Baptists are neither (including my Principal, Michael A. G. Haykin) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cloud Stryfe ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC).
The following modern Reformed Baptists don't yet have articles in WP:
The following 17th century Baptist pastors had a significant influence on the development of Particular Baptist theology:
See: Kiffin, Knollys and Keach - Rediscovering our English Baptist Heritage, by Michael A. G. Haykin (1996) DFH 19:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
... and should they appear on Template:Calvinism? Please see the discussion at Template_talk:Calvinism#Barth_and_Reformed_Baptists. -- Flex ( talk| contribs) 13:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't Preacher be more appropriate? StAnselm 03:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
mohler is a southern baptist and driscoll's church is non-denominational. though these men may have close ties with reformed baptist churches and reformed baptist pastors, they are not directly associated with the denomination. at least to my knowledge they are not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.123.154 ( talk) 21:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not very familiar with editing pages and so on. Could someone please change the box on the top right hand side of the page, which says "Geographical areas - United States & Canada" to something a bit more global? See the map provided in the middle of the page http://www.shalomrb.com It also seems strange that the article mentions several times that Reformed Baptists adhere to creeds that originated in London, whilst maintaining "Geographical areas - United States & Canada". Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesrlforsyth ( talk • contribs) 10:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Could whoever messed this up please return and fix it? This was a very comprehensive article which has been reduced to a paragraph.
A few "contributions" ago, if you look through the history, there has been an "uncontroversial" move, either from or to Reformed Baptist*s*, but at neither page is there anything like the article that used to exist. Fix please!!! I'm trying myself now. Jamesrlforsyth ( talk) 05:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Novaseminary,
WP:BURDEN says, "Editors might object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references." You could have simply marked the items that needed citations such that references could be added. Now we have to dig through the old page before we can find references to it.
WP:BURDEN also says, "It has always been good practice to make reasonable efforts to find supporting sources yourself and cite them." There was a good bibliography in the original page that could have been used to affirm much or all of the prior text.
Elnwood ( talk) 23:35, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Novaseminary, was it you who removed the article? How could you have regarded it as POV? ... maybe you prefer the kind of article which blatantly casts doubt on Christianity as a whole. The original article certainly didn't do that, which may have been the problem you had with it. Jamesrlforsyth ( talk) 10:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
In an effort to head off the repeated insertion of non-notable or unsourced entries in the Notable Reformed Baptists section, I propose spinnjng it off into a stand-alone list. That might make it less attractive to link spammers, or at least keep it out of what should become a real article. Who knows, that might even help the substance of this article grow. Novaseminary ( talk) 16:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
With this edit, I again reverted an IP editor's insertion of non- RSs and OR. IP, please explain how the source is ok or the material not OR. Novaseminary ( talk) 16:20, 10 November 2013 (UTC)