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This article has been proposed for deletion. See Talk:Roller derby#League-specific articles: continue to delete? for discussion. — mjb 04:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
This article is about a significant case in a cultural trend, arising spontaneously in many cities. The team specific article covers a topic at least as notable as the plethora of wikipedia articles about obscure characters in video games. Furthermore, the Rat City Rollergirls are going to the championships where they may become the national champions this year, beating the team from Texas which was the subject of a series of television programs. What more do you need for notability? Do not delete this page! ~~ Michael J Swassing 05:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
It is my understanding that as the creator of the article I am not the one who should remove the tag for proposed deletion, however, as the content of this article establishes, the time has come to remove the tag: * "Roller derby enjoys rollicking resurgence," Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Sports, Friday, August 17, 2007. ~~ Michael J Swassing 18:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Look, pal, I'm starting to get a little impatient here. There is a Wikipedia article for Sanjaya Malakar, there is one for Shelbyville, one for Pia Zadora and one for the Spice Girls Greatest Hits album, which has not yet been released or reviewed. Maybe it will be great, and change the history of music, like Miles Davis. But most likely it will not be as notable as the Rat City Rollergirls. It is precisely because articles like this one require continuous effort to prevent their deletion that wikipedia is fast becoming an expanded version of TV Guide. ~~ Michael J Swassing 04:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh hell No. If there is thousands of pages on Dr. Who than the biggest rollerderby league in the US is Wikipedia worthy. -- 8bitJake ( talk) 23:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This is similar to the comment I made on Talk:Minnesota RollerGirls, which was:
"How can you be an LLC and a not for profit at the same time? I think it's probably a mistake on the page that they are not for profit. Just because an organization isn't making a profit or isn't making much of a profit, or even donates all of their profits to charity, doesn't make them a 501(c) organization. Fredsmith2 00:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)"
Even though this isn't the place for non-profit advice, It's probably a bad idea to claim Rat City is a non-profit, or functions as a non-profit, until they're recognized by the IRS as a non-profit. The accounting assumption is that every for-profit corporation, which is what all LLC's are, is trying to make a profit. If Rat City's trying to eventually become a non-profit, and it's documented somewhere, we could change the wording from: "is registered as a limited liability corporation, Rat City Rollergirls, LLC, but functions as a non-profit organization." to "is registered as a limited liability corporation, Rat City Rollergirls, LLC, but is working toward becoming a non-profit organization."
Or another idea would be to quote some of their charter, and take out the non-profit wording. I'm not sure how their charter goes, but I'm guessing their charter would be pretty inspiring, and might convey better about what they're trying to accomplish than "non-profit" wording.
Tucson Roller Derby become an actual non-profit organzation, and they say the benefits are [1]:
Fredsmith2 18:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Your point is valid, I've removed that statement, and will go looking in the source materials for something along the lines of your suggestions which can be backed up with a citation.~~ Michael J Swassing 14:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
My opinion is that people should be referenced by their derby names, mainly, because that's how they're referenced from within roller derby.
I think that their real names should only be disclosed in these articles if there are a lot of news articles that reference the person by name.
So, my recommendation is to change:
Jessica Bloom, who skates under the pseudonym "Holly Knockers" for the Socket Wenches, is the owner of Northwest Bloom Ecological Landscape Design, and is also the president of the Coalition of Organic Landscapers.
to something like:
Holly Knockers, skater number 4 for the Sockit Wenches, is also Jessica Bloom who is the owner of Northwest Bloom Ecological Landscape Design and the president of the Coalition of Organic Landscapers.
But, with this example, I'd probably remove the information about what Holly Knockers does in her spare time, because it doesn't seem to be heavily referenced in relation to roller derby. Like, if there were a number of newspaper articles that highlighted her whole life, tying it into roller derby, I think that would be different.
So, I'd probably change the section to just:
Holly Knockers is skater number 4 for the Sockit Wenches.
I guess I'm just worried that some derby girls may want to preserve some anonymity about their personal lives, especially since they haven't reached full celebrity status yet, and I think that the articles should be respectful to that. My opinion is that all WFTDA teams are probably notable, but there are probably only a few individual skaters who are currently notable. This section, WP:LIVING#People_who_are_relatively_unknown, kind of talks about that.
Fredsmith2 19:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I need to update the page with info from the 2008 season and the 2008 Rust Riot. Also I need to expand on the announcers and the Lightning Fist of Science -- 8bitJake ( talk) 23:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I need to write up a section on the league's mascots and post some photos. I have some creative commons licensed photos I took at the last bout that would be great for this article. -- 8bitJake ( talk) 18:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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I think a sentence or two about the kids' league that exists in Seattle. Because of WFTDA's 18+ rules, it's not part of Rat City Rollergirls, it's a separate organization.
In addition, JFTDA has renamed itself to JRDA (Junior Roller Derby Association).
Unless it can be established that the junior league is part of Rat City Rollergirls, does their support of the children's league merit more than a sentence or two? TimBRoy ( talk) 18:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Need photos of an actual event. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 19:31, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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