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Here we go again with this nonsense, apparently. Again,
MOS:THEMUSIC (the result of a long and protracted RfM), says not to capitalize the definite article mid-sentence when it's part of the band's official name. It even gives the helpful examples of "the Beatles" and "the Velvet Underground". In a manner that personifies the perfunctory insanity that is en-Wiki, I was reverted, citing the very fucking guideline that instructs us to use a lowercase "t". Now, I'm going to make everyone proud, and wait a full 24 hours before reverting this, but why should that even be necessary? Just fix your mistake.
Joefromrandb (
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22:19, 1 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Unlike "Beatles" and "Velvet Underground", this particular band can't possibly be rendered without the definite article in front of it. And most sources capitalise the term in running text so we should do likewise. —
Amakuru (
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22:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)reply
You're welcome to attempt to get the guideline changed to support your opinion, but until then we're going to follow what long-established consensus has decided.
Joefromrandb (
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22:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)reply
No, we're going to stick with the established status quo in this article unless there is consensus to change it. And since currently you seem to be the only person arguing for "the Beat" that consensus is yet to emerge. —
Amakuru (
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23:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I can promise you that's not going to happen.
WP:LOCALCONSENSUS cannot and will not override site-wide guidelines. I don't need any consensus to edit an article to bring it into compliance with established norms. I realize that you're simply trying to goad me into reverting it immediately; that's not going to work either. We don't capitalize "the Who", and we're sure as fuck not going to capitalize "the Beat" because one editor
doesn't understand the guideline and another
doesn't like it.
Joefromrandb (
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23:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)reply
1) such discussion should be taking place at the primary article,
The Beat: one wonders why Joe has not waged his campaign there;
2) there is a clear difference between cases like 'the Beatles', which appears for example on album covers without the article, and this, where both words are integral to the proper name;
3) perhaps Joe can direct us to discussion towards building consensus at MoS that dealt specifically with this issue;
4) or why he thinks that the words "in general" in that policy mean that it is to be applied invariably;
5) or to
reliable sources that capitalise it in the manner he suggests;
6) and then he might like to acknowledge that, as I have myself at times, he has rather lost sight of
WP:AGF and basic decent conduct in his comments here;
Quite. Contrary to the above accusation I wasn't trying to goad anyone into anything, just noting that there is an established way of styling this band and a stable status quo in this article, and that the proposal to change it should not be railroaded through without consensus. —
Amakuru (
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12:34, 2 April 2019 (UTC)reply