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This article says both Yakla District in the info box and Yakla village, Qifah District in the introduction. Which is it and why isn't either Yakla or Qifah districts listed on the page for
Al Bayda Governorate?08:00, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Claims that Previous Administration vetoed this raid multiple times
I've added an unreliable source tag in the Background section of this article to a citation claiming that the raid was vetoed multiple times by the previous administration. The article cited quotes an unnamed source that contradicts bipartisan and nonpartisan accounts of the timeline leading up to the raid, all of which claim that the previous administration approved of the raid after review with the US NSC and scheduled the raid based on nighttime light conditions (specifically the next moonless night), all around the end of the year.
Wiki guidlines for the Unreliable Source template state "This tag should not be used on unreliably sourced contentious statements about living persons; if the source is not reliable, the statement should be removed immediately." However, I left the statement in so that someone with the time (or myself when I get it) can come in to address the claim in a better way than outright removing it on first review.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
WP:ONEEVENT. Owens is only notable for his death in the Yakla raid. This article does not have a lot of information in it. All of the relevant information can easily be merged to the Yakla raid article without significantly increasing its length.
JDDJS (
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02:59, 9 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Same as above. Also, William Owens is a person, not a component of a raid. Given that, why should a person notable enough to have an article be reduced to just a column or two inside of another article? It makes no sense.
LightandDark2000 (
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11:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge. Death in war is tragic without a doubt, but
Wikipedia is not a memorial. In citing "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times." above I am not sure what award is being referenced. Past precedent has been that a single Silver Star nor multiple the Bronze Star Medals are not sufficient to confer notability. Only the highest (Medal of Honor) or multiple awards of the second highest award (Navy Cross) do that. While an award nomination may be forthcoming, we cannot predict that. This is a case of
WP:ONEEVENT, Owens is only at this point known for dying during a raid that has been the subject of much Monday morning quarterbacking. Preserving the article in the Yakla raid page keeps the information should Owens subsequently cross the threshold of notability.
EricSerge (
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16:57, 3 March 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment. Can an administrator please remove the "merge" tag? There appears to be overwhelming consensus to keep both articles.
Zigzig20s (
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21:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
However, today (Feb 16, 2017) I found a source (NBC News) that claims that nine women and ten children were killed. Extract: "Survivors and witnesses say at least 25 Yemenis were killed, including 10 children and nine women." Source: "Navy SEAL Raid in Yemen: Ally of U.S.-Backed President Killed." Associated Press. Feb 16 2017.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/navy-seal-raid-yemen-ally-u-s-backed-president-killed-n721616
List of child victims aged under 13 as given by villagers:
1. Asma Fahad Ali al Ameri, 3 months.
2. Aisha Mohammed Abdallah al Ameri, 4 years.
3. Halima Hussein al Aifa al Ameri, 5 years old.
4. Hussein Mohammed Abdallah Mabkhout al Ameri, 5 years old.
5. Mursil Abedraboh Masad al Ameri, 6 years old.
6. Khadija Abdallah Mabkhout al Ameri, 7 years old.
7. Nawar Anwar al Awlaqi, 8 years old.
8. Ahmed Abdelilah Ahmed al Dahab, 11 years old.
9. Nasser Abdallah Ahmed al Dahab, 12 years old.
We now have conflicting claims regarding the Al Qaeda affiliation of participants in the confrontation. Two sources, the Associated Press and Al Jazeera, say that the principal target Abdel-Raouf/Abdelrauf al-Dhahab repeatedly denied Al Qaeda affiliation. Likewise, the household of Abdallah Mabkhout al Ameri is
reportedly (according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism) a target of the raid, but unaffiliated. And, the Associated Press reports, "Caught in the al-Dhahabi house was a delegation of 15 men from another family who had come seeking al-Dhahab's mediation for the release of a relative snatched by al-Qaida. The family's leader, Sheikh Seif al-Joufi, in his 80s, stepped out of the house and was shot dead, according to several witnesses." The US military and an AQAP statement instead descibe al-Joufi an Al Qaeda militant.
According to BIJ report:
At some stage, al Qaeda militants who had encamped in the nearby Masharif and Sharia mountains descended to engage the US commandos in a fight which would last over two hours. AQAP say 14 of its men died in total: six villagers and eight others.
The villagers say 25 civilians died alongside a group of militants, including nine children under the age of 13. They deny that any of the dead villagers were AQAP members.
In short, we have agreement from all sides (US military, AQAP, Yakla villagers) that there were at least 8 AQ fighters. Beyond that, we have fundamental disputes about whether the locally residing belligerents were AQ affiliates. I think the infobox needs to reflect that.--
Carwil (
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04:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)reply