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"Many of the POWs resisted because the Rangers' weapons and uniforms looked nothing like those from 1940 and 1941."
This doesn't make any sense - nobody was even deployed into the Philipenes until early 1942, so no Americans could have been captured in 1940 or 1941. I'm deleting the entire line just for accuracy's sake.
-- Bri 20:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually I'm replacing this line as this fact appears to hold up but am describing it as "looked nothing like those from several years prior."
-- Bri 20:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, excuse me. There wasn't a significant military deployment until early 1942. This is why I said the original sentence doesn't make sense (which it doesn't.) What does 1940 or 1941 have to do with anything? Instead of pointlessly arguing with me over what you yourself described as a mute point, why don't you try contributing to the article? You've got 2000+ edits, why don't you maybe clean up some of the (horribly) amateurish sounding writing? Just a thought... -- Bri 15:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
ost Soldiers, By Hampton Sides) also tells of the filipino deaths, who they dont mention and is also the best book on the subject!
My Grandfather Woodrow Jackson Reece was one of the Army Rangers who rescued the prisoners and I wanted to state how proud I am of him as of all our military men. He was a wonderful man from North Arkansas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.134.234.195 ( talk) 04:27:02, August 19, 2007 (UTC)
Can some one help me!!! my grampa was a POW in WW ll for 1yeah and a half or so I can not find anything about it or him his name was Carl E Swasey.. so if anyone can help that would be good thank you!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.150.85 ( talk) 11:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Does someone have a source for the 21 Filipino deaths? The Leavenworth papers on page 69 specifically states that there were NO guerrillas killed
The Book I am read (Gh(Ghost Soldiers, By Hampton Sides) also tells of the filipino deaths, who they dont mention and is also the best book on the subject!
I thoroughly enjoyed your article- it accurately portrays the supreme cruelty of the Japanese. My father was a Javanese Nationalist guerrilla, decorated and buried in our Heroes' Cemetery. His mother and sister were forced to become comfort women- his mother he never saw again after 1944. Just a quick nitpick- with regard to the experience of PFC Egene Wilson- could you please reference that one so the revisionists, Vandals and other turds don't attempt to sanitise Japan's sordid history? And I'm more than willing to help proof read as an objective 3rd party if required. Nice work. Starstylers ( talk) 17:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Captain James Canfield Fisher's mother, Dorothy Canfield Fisher, was a noted author and educator as referenced in the William Breuer book, and should be mentioned here.
Also, I take exception to the reference that Corporal Sweezy was the "only" Ranger killed during the raid. Fisher and his medics were members of the 6th Ranger Battalion and were considered Rangers, in the same way that Navy doctors, corpsmen and chaplains attached to Marine Corps units are considered Marines. If you want to nitpick over the fact that Fisher lived for another day after he was wounded, the mortar fragment was still what killed him! PhantomWSO ( talk) 19:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
This article belongs to the Japanese occupation of the Philippines, therefore, it should be inserted and be part of that page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Wandering Traveler ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
A big omission - what nationality were the POWs? Were they all American? A mix of American and Australian? Or lots of different Allied nationalities? This is basic infomration which should be in the article. 86.133.208.193 ( talk) 16:44, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
After expanding the article and adding some new sources, I have nominated the article at GAN. While it sits in the queue to be reviewed, it would be beneficial if anybody could take a look for any errors. Good work to all those that previously worked on the article. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 05:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
At WP:NBSP, I get the main point that non-breaking spaces are inserted to prevent awkwardness from line breaks. Others here argue that all money and dates get them. I think that only awkward money and awkward dates which might suffer from line breaks need them. For instance, if 30 December is at the beginning of a paragraph, or near the beginning, it will not be subject to a line break. However, if it is deeper in the paragraph, it requires the non-breaking space.
The money example seen at WP:NBSP is a little more arcane. It is not simply money that gets the non-breaking space, it is a glyph of a unit currency followed by a numeral followed by a number. The example is not a numeral followed by a number. The unit currency must be present to create the possibility of a misunderstanding from a line break. Binksternet ( talk) 19:01, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I've completed the requested copy edit. I would have appreciated if you were to refrain from editing, but I suppose I took a little while longer than expected, so you aren't at fault (regardless, I've merged your recent changes with the new copy). In general, very well written, but as your latest edits seemed to reflect, you should probably add a few other terms to replace "the prisoners" in the POW section. I've left suggestions for them in comments. Secondly, I added a {{what}} tag on a line describing information from a Japanese radio host – you never really stated any information about him, other than his name, and that he is the Japanese radio host. Not sure what that meant. Also, I replaced most of your em dashes with en dashes, and that is simply because the characters in the edit box made me perceive them as simple "dashes", something I apologize in advance for. Finally, thanks for asking for a copy edit before nominating for FA. If you need any other help, or if you would like to request a second look-over (whether it is a request from reviewers or from you), feel free to do so again. I wish you good luck toward your FA! EricLeb01 ( Page | Talk) 03:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
All of the resources that you list are after 2000, this is an injustice to the real research and original author on this subject. Forrest Bryant Johnson lived in the Philippines for 5 years with one of the Philippians, who participated in the raid, to research and document all of the events. He then published his book
"Raid on Cabanatuan" by Forrest Bryant Johnson (Author) Publisher: A Thousand Autumns Press (1988) ASIN: B000UF924K
He then rewrote the book in 2002 as "Hour of Redemption" The Heroic WW II Saga of America's Most Daring POW Rescue by Forrest Bryant Johnson (Author) Paperback: 352 pages Publisher: Grand Central Publishing (September 2002) ISBN-10: 0446679372 ISBN-13: 978-0446679374
All of the books listed on your page are based on the first book and provides all other authors at least 90% of the information for their books.
I think that Wikipedia should acknowledge this historical fact when publishing author information.
Edward L. Hines USMC Retired 76.0.192.184 ( talk) 00:28, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I'll leave the existing revision for now pending review of the Breuer source. I put a hold on "The Raid on Cabanatuan" (1994) from the library. I should get that later this week and I'll verify again if the source indicates the execution. If so, I'll readd it. Otherwise, we'll need another source(s) that indicates it did not occur. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 01:12, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
That would be a tremendous mistake and you propose an impossible alternative. No one has published anything that directly and specifically says Breuer is wrong, but NO ONE has repeated the story or published anything that backs up, or supports in any way, what he wrote. Your solution represents a case where one author who gets it badly wrong has his misinformation passed along as fact simply because no one bothered to refute his misinformation. The description on the Wiki page is essentially what Breuer wrote in his book. The problem is that Breuer's info is simply false. Where did it come from? Breuer doesn't specifically cite the source, or offer a direct quotation, but the surrounding material suggests it came from an interview with William Delich, of the 59th CA Regt, who was a POW at Cabanatuan. So it appears to be a case where one man, many years after the fact, reported a remarkable incident--the execution of 20 men--that no one else had ever mentioned, and the author accepted it and reported it as fact. Contrast that with the executions of three officers, Biggs, Breitung, and Gilbert, in Sept 1942 that has appeared in virtually every history that mentions Cabanatuan. Surely if everyone remembers that execution, someone else would have remembered that two 10 man shooting squads were eliminated? Probably the most detailed period source for Cabanatuan is "Of Rice and Men" which was edited by Capt. Calvin Chunn and published in 1946 or 47. Of Rice and Men lists the six men, not four, who escaped and were executed on 26 June 1942, in the incident Breuer says initiated the 10 man shooting squads: were Fred Reed, Irvin Penrose, Robert Graham Jr., Thomas E. Hunt, Jose Gastelum, and Kenneth Sisson. Four of them were buried outside the main camp and two buried on the hospital side (my father helped bury the two on the hospital side.) The burials are verified in the Cabanatuan Death records prepared by Capt. Robert W. Conn who was the graves registration officer at the camp, copies of which I possess and have transcribed with John Eakin who has posted portions of the data at http://bataanmissing.com/cabanatuan-burial-roster/. Single men were executed on 5 july (Pete Martinez), 28 Aug (Thomas Long), and possibly 31 Aug (although John Fox was more likely executed on a Bridge work detail), and the famous incident when 3 men, Biggs, Breitung, and Gilbert were tortured beaten and ultimately executed on Sept 29. Quite simply, neither a key period source that mentioned numerous executions by name, nor the official Cabanatuan Death roster lists any group of executions of a group of 10 or 20 men. The bottom line is there were no 10 man shooting squad executions at Cabanatuan; however, such an incident did occur elsewhere in the Philippine. It happened on the Lumban Bridge work detail after a POW named George Lightman escaped. On 12 June 1942 the Japanese commander of the detail picked out 10 men and had them shot in retaliation for the escape. That was the only time when the 10 man rule was actually enforced and it predated the escape of the 4 (really 6) men at Cabanatuan cited in Breuer. Cabanatuan was a miserable, horrible place. Fictionalizations and embellishments only detract from the history and dishonor those who suffered there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kohlerdino ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC) For completeness I should add that there was one additional mass shooting in retaliation for an escape. Five men were executed on the Calumpit bridge detail on 10 July 42. Their names are known as are those of the men on the Lumban bridge detail. Kohlerdino ( talk) 04:33, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Avi8tor ( talk) 13:39, 31 January 2016 (UTC)== Primary Units ==
Being the Phillipines, the primary unit should be metric per Wiki Manual of style with conversions that are rounded,not exact. The estimation of distance 48 km is too exact, as is the lowest altitude 9,1 m flown by the black widow, all of these distances ordimensions of the camp in yards are estimations and the equivelant metres are probably the same, this should be reflected in the units show. Avi8tor ( talk) 13:39, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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Why is the exact number never clear in this article? Don't we have the exact number now? I think we even have all or nearly all of the NAMES of those rescued, by now, from several sources. Starhistory22 ( talk) 21:46, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Removed a claim that the medical personnel accompanying the Rangers were armed in violation of the Geneva Conventions. In actual fact, the Geneva Conventions explicitly authorize the arming of medical personnel for the defense of themselves and those under their care. See, for example, the International Committee of the Red Cross site at https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule25 where it spells out that "light individual weapons" (pistols, submachine guns and rifles) are legal and do not affect the bearer's status as a protected medical person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.166.3 ( talk) 16:35, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
The Japanese commander is listed in the info box as General Yamashita. I don't think that is correct. He was the overall commander of the Japanese forces in the Philippines, not the commander of the forces at the camp. Bill ( talk) 01:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)