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Requested move 2 May 2017
The following is a closed discussion of a
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. I do note that some of the arguments seem to be missing the difference between RPM and rpm, but overall there is no strong consensus in either direction.
Primefac (
talk)
17:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Note. I also invite my fellow administrators to review the deleted history of
RPM (Filipino band). A good chunk of that was formerly disambiguation or redirects. I'm tempted to hist-merge, but I see that a previous history-merge may have been reversed? In any case, this is further evidence of the longstanding ambiguity of RPM.
wbm1058 (
talk)
22:08, 2 May 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Wbm1058: I'm here because
Revolutions per minute appeared on my watchlist and I was just checking the history of that and related pages ... I'd forgotten about my attempt to history-merge it in 2009. I merged the history once again before realising
why I'd reversed it in the first place. This time I think keeping the history around is a good idea ... in case this page actually is moved to the non-disambiguated title. Graham8706:18, 17 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Necrothesp, it's not the clear primary topic for the editors responsible for
these 45 pages I needed to disambiguate. In the music industry, it could mean revolutions per minute, or it could mean "Records, Promotion, Music":
RPM.
wbm1058 (
talk)
02:35, 5 May 2017 (UTC)reply
It is however the clear primary topic for the vast majority of people, especially those outside Canada who have never heard of this magazine but who do know the common term which is used throughout the English-speaking world. --
Necrothesp (
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07:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)reply
No, we take a worldwide English-language view. That discounts Brazil, Mali and possibly the Philippines. And we also take a view that primary usage to most people trumps primary usage to a minority (e.g. those in the music business or in IT). --
Necrothesp (
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13:21, 8 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose Primary usage is for Revolutions Per Minute, in more than half of the topics a on the dab page that use RPM in the title, RPM in those titles refers to "Revolutions Per Minute". — InsertCleverPhraseHere09:04, 8 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Would one of the editors opposing this please take the time to fix the remaining
seven pages that I left undone? Or do you just consider this to be not a problem, or someone else's problem to fix?
wbm1058 (
talk)
13:38, 9 May 2017 (UTC)reply
(
edit conflict) I fixed five of those (one was indended for this RPM), and the remaining two are results of sloppy editing in the first place. One is some rock music genre, maybe even a typo, and the other some obscure video format (
real player movie, it seems). And I don't even oppose :).
No such user (
talk)
14:14, 9 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Well, hmm. On the one hand, there like 40 entries on the dab page. Usually with that many I'm not inlcined to assume that one big usage is going to overwhelm 40 other uses, each maybe tiny, but significant if added together. Think of it like this: if the 40 other meanings each average 1% of searches (some under but some over 1%) that's 40% which is enough right there to question if there's any one primary meaning. On the other hand, "revolutions per minute" is
the most common meaning by far,
the most important (encyclopedic, serious, educational) and will always be important in the long term,
the original root meaning for some of the others (e.g. RPM magazine), and besides which
a number of the uses look to be awfully obscure, although a few are just "pretty obscure".
Long-term, "revolutions per minute" is going to be notable 20 years from now and more. Can we say the same for
RPM Package Manager? Maybe; it is already 20 years old.
RPM Package Manager is the only use that can give "revolutions per minute" a run for its money, according to the pageviews. And while I'm sure it's important, its technical and of limited interest for a specialized audience. My inclination is to oppose, although it's a tough question.
Herostratus (
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09:48, 11 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Support. Revolutions per minute only gets 55% of the hits of 10 ambiguous uses, and that leaves out a lot of other things also called "RPM".
[1] And not all of those readers will have gotten there by typing or clicking RPM in caps, but through other searches like
Revolutions per minute or lower-case
rpm. It seems unlikely that it's really more prominent than all other uses combined, which is the condition of
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.--
Cúchullaint/
c15:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC)reply
This gave me pause,
Cuchullain, but worst case, even if we have an edge case here, nobody should be surprised at landing on this page when searching with "rpm" or "RPM". And the dab page is only one click away. --
В²C☎16:21, 24 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Support, with the condition that
Revolutions per minute be given a prominent place at the top of the DAB. I feel there are too many uses for this to remain the primary redirect. It also means we can remove the unsightly hatnote.
Laurdecltalk09:04, 15 May 2017 (UTC)reply
One point: I agree with
User:Laurdecl that, no matter what,
revolutions per minute should be given a prominent place at the top of the DAB. I urge the closer to make that clear in the closing to prevent future formatting disputes.
Science and technology is the first section on the disambiguation page, and revolutions per minute would be the first one listed in that section. But given that rpm would still keep it a sort of "half-primary", keeping it listed at the very top as now makes sense too.
There are
nearly 400 links to lowercase rpm. I'm not keen on disambiguation of these, as for lowercase, my spot checks have found that revolutions per minute is nearly universally the intended target. So, I didn't include that in the scope of this proposal.
wbm1058 (
talk)
11:41, 17 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Thanks
BD2412. I'm ambivalent about the lowercase rpm; there may be a valid rationale for keeping that redirecting to
revolutions per minute, per
WP:DIFFCAPS. Did you find any [[rpm]] links that needed disambiguation to something else? I trust you didn't process these too fast to notice any exceptions.
wbm1058 (
talk)
15:53, 18 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose. (But there's a fascinating
page history at the target.) RPM is a ubiquitous term in many different settings... from
tachometer displays to
78 records. The other terms even taken together do not remotely rival it either in significance or in likelihood of usage.
Andrewa (
talk)
04:46, 20 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Support
Revolutions per minute. Ambiguous, so spell it out, three words beats a TLA hand down for informative titling. RPM is not even the standard abbreviation, it is one of confusingly several non-standard abbreviations. The standard abbreviation is the all lowercase "rpm". --
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
14:13, 20 May 2017 (UTC)reply
While it is true that the
official abbreviation is rpm, have you checked any cars or motorcycles? The common abbreviation is RPM, as seen in the graphic from our
tachometer article to which I linked above, and also its caption there. Agree we should continue to spell it out in the title of the
revolutions per minute article; This is just about enabling those who use the common abbreviations to navigate there.
Andrewa (
talk)
18:18, 20 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes, an aware of the widespread non standard uses. There is a difference between "official names" and "standard abbreviations". --
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
21:41, 20 May 2017 (UTC)reply
You mean to say that a disambiguation page does not enable readers searching for "rpm" to navigate to
revolutions per minute?!
Lowercase is quite common in vehicles, so "RPM" in caps is not "the" common abbreviation:
Oppose. Revolutions per minute gets more hits than all the other topics combined, as noted above, so is most likely the term people want. And in terms of assessing primary topic, the only topic likely to challenge it is the RedHat package manager, but I think really in terms of common usage and long term significance, revs per minute, something found on everyday objects such as cars and record players beats a product which is found just one one flavour of Linux. We can always hatnote back to RedHat package manager as well as to the dab page if necessary. —
Amakuru (
talk)
08:55, 23 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
Necrothesp and
Amakuru. RPM/rpm meaning Revolutions Per Minute is universally known in the English-speaking world, including by anyone who has ever sat behind the wheel of a car, or used a cadence monitor on their bike, etc. RPM packages are only known to the minority of Linux users that use rpms among the minority of computer users that use Linux (which includes me, by the way, but no one else in my family). The other uses are even more specialized. The pages covering those specialized uses that link to
rpm or
RPM need to be fixed regardless. --
В²C☎16:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Page history
At 14:01, 20 May 2001,
LA2 started rpm as an article about revolutions per minute. This is the only related page old enough to be found in the
original Wikipedia. Amazingly enough,
LA2 is still active.
At 17:10, 6 December 2003,
Docu changed the
RPM lead: RPM may mean either: → RPM or rpm may stand for: and merged the redundant dab items: * rotations or revolutions per minute (rpm), a measure of
angular velocity
rpm was the title of the revolutions per minute topic from 20 May 2001 – 30 October 2004 (3 years, 163 days) ...you can't get any more "primary" than that!
There was no primary topic for
rpm from 30 October 2004 – 22 September 2005 (327 days)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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RPM medical specialty?
Is R.P. M. an abbreviation for a
medical specialty? If so, then which one? I “googled” and came up with “research & preventive medicine” and “remote patient monitoring,” but I think it may mean something else also.
Bwrs (
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12:48, 14 July 2017 (UTC)reply