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Page Renamed
The page has been renamed to "Roya (Azerbaijani singer)".
I understand that it is necessary to be based on sources and non-English words are allowed.
But you must understand that the sources indicated on the article are Azerbaijani and the artist himself acts on the territory of Azerbaijan. Therefore, take advantage of "Röya". But that does not mean right. So if you search Google for the query "Roya singer". Then Google will give you an absurdity. You will see the "Roya Azerbaijani singer" knowledge bar
But the albums will not be Azerbaijan albums, but the video may be "Roya - Lie" which does not belong to this artist.
The thing is that there are several Roya
Persian singer Roya; Swedish Roya; Roya band
Google searches for "Roya"
sees several options including ours. But so ours is known on spotify as "Röya". Google refuses to take the correct data.
As a result, it shows that we have Roya but she releases Persian albums and represents Sweden. ))) And you are trying not to be searched like Roya. But this does not benefit and confuses the situation even more. The fact is the singer was originally known as Roya, her songs were signed by this name. Changing to "Röya" we created bewilderment both among users and for artificial intelligence. In addition, this is an English Wikipedia for English-speaking users. Logically, everything should be in English. People will not understand this letter "ö"
SaHiB.SHaKHaYeV (
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19:50, 16 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Hello SaHiB.SHaKHaYeV. Your 16 January move has been undone, since it went against the verdict of the last move discussion (see above). The article name has been changed back to
Röya (singer). Arguments such as 'People will not understand the letter "ö" ' are not persuasive here because we *do* use diacritics in people's names if we are convinced that the
WP:COMMONNAME in English uses the diacritic. Note that there is still a redirect at
Roya (Azerbaijani singer) which points here, so people searching for 'Roya' will be led to the right place. There is also a page at
Roya which explains the different people of that name.
EdJohnston (
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06:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Requested move 17 January 2020
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Oppose per English sources Irrespective of how her name is written correctly, the issue is whether English sources consistently and uniquely retain the diaresis.
news.az "The event continued with performances by singers Murad Arif, Roya, Miri Yusif and others." does not. The only news search results for Roya Aykhan likewise do not. So in this case yes disambiguation is absolutely necessary after checking GNews sources since the singer is not know as Röya in those news sources. Very surprised that neither proposer nor supporters checked with GNews. @
Ortizesp and
Tammbeck: can you provide any evidence of English news sources which give the name as Röya?
In ictu oculi (
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10:23, 20 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Three "Support" but no evidence whatsoever that English sources consistently and uniquely retain the diaresis, and not even a response from those pinged to request evidence. I fear that a non-admin page closer is going to turn up and this is going to go the way of a vote rather than source-based application of titling policies...
In ictu oculi (
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08:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per In ictu oculi. Also,
Röya (singer) is not a uniquely-named personality as exemplified by the redirect
Beyonce flowing to
Beyoncé. In the case at hand, it is evident that
Roya does not redirect to
Röya (singer), but to the
Roya disambiguation page, while it is
Roya (singer) that redirects to
Röya (singer). If there were one or more singers named
Roya, such as in the case of the currently-discussed
Melody (singer), then, according to this nomination, Wikipedia would feature the confusing differentiation between the main header for this
Röya and another singer with the main header
Roya (singer), instead of the much clearer and more helpful
Röya (Azerbaijani singer) as well as
Roya (another nation's singer). On English Wikipedia, main title headers are not differentiated solely by accents or diacritics, thus the separate disambiguation pages for
Ivan Šarić and
Ivan Saric, which coexisted for more than a year, were ultimately merged. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs)05:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Ivan Saric was about the fact that we don't generally have DAB pages with similar terms per
WP:DABCOMBINE but
WP:SMALLDETAILS provides terms can point to different places even if their similar. Maybe this should be moved to
Roya (singer) but the point is that "Röya" is unambiguous so even if moved the base title with the diacritic should be a redirect to the singer but such a move probably isn't needed anyway per
WP:NATURAL. Crouch, Swale (
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22:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)reply
We don't have any other redirects starting with "Röya", and the other pages on
Roya (disambiguation) don't mention it - if there are other uses they should be added. Also diacritics are used for disambiguation, and ambiguity of one possible article title doesn't make all others ambiguous.
Peter James (
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14:14, 31 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Support. It doesn't seem particularly relevant whether English sources sometimes call her "Roya" or not, as long as she's the only target for the umlaut form "Röya". The point IIO makes would only be relevant if "Roya" was actually her
WP:COMMONNAME in English, with higher usage than "Röya", and I don't think it is. —
Amakuru (
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17:25, 7 February 2020 (UTC)reply
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