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The hook doesn't sound all that interesting to me. Perhaps you should mention how long the proposals have been going on for. The article mentions that there were plans to relocate the station since 2006, an environmental study in 2008, and a financial estimate in 2013. Perhaps:
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Onegreatjoke: Quite frankly this article seems
WP:TOOSOON for publication on the main page, even if it would survive AfD. Maybe we could revisit as a "new" article for DYK when the station is [closer to being] finally built?
Cielquiparle (
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09:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I respectfully disagree,
Cielquiparle. If it's a notable topic (i.e. has an article that would, if challenged, survive AfD; and if you think that it wouldn't survive AfD, then please nominate it) and has an interesting hook (which, in my view, it has in ALT2), then there's nothing stopping this from going to the Main Page as a DYK. And under what criterion would it possibly become eligible at some point in the future, given that it won't then be new, newly expanded, or recently approved for GA? AGF tick based on the review above. Schwede6618:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)reply
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Schwede66: I defer to your judgment, but what I meant is that it would make a better DYK submission as a new article if/when the South Bend Station is built. IMO, the article as it stands now could be interpreted as promoting a political cause. There are a lot of public infrastructure projects that have been proposed and debated over the years; is it really the role of Wikipedia and DYK to promote the completion of one, and to cover each and every single local political debate and dispute over public transit?
Cielquiparle (
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19:15, 1 April 2023 (UTC)reply
If transport planning controversies go on for long enough and become notable, and if an editor makes the effort to write a decent article about the affairs, then that's all that's needed as a prerequisite for a DYK. Schwede6619:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)reply
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Onegreatjoke: It seems the nomination is "valid", in which case the onus is on you or
SecretName101 to propose a better hook, as the current hooks are not interesting to a broad audience per DYK Rule #3a: likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest. My suggestion would be to mention Pete Buttigieg – as a broader audience has heard of him as DoT secretary and former presidential candidate.
Cielquiparle (
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20:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Maybe something like, "for the several years, Northern Indiana officials have been debating where to locate a proposed new South Shore Line station in South Bend".
SecretName101 (
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21:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)reply
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Earwig has a higher-than-ideal percent to the South Bend Tribune, but it's for proper nouns ("Northern Indiana Commuter Transportation District"), an attributed quote, and "east side of the airport" and similar banal phrases.
In late 2022, the Northern Indiana Commuter Transportation District (NICTD) (the operator of the South Shore Line) Double parentheses. Set off the latter one in commas as an appositive.
MOS:SEASONS: Consider not using "fall of", "autumn of" as potentially ambiguous to non-Northern Hemisphere readers.
The station's location on the east side of the airport was chosen due to the to the existence of a freight spur leading towards location "Towards location", maybe "toward the site"?
Since 2006, plans had been made to explore relocating the station to the west end of the airport in order to potentially cut travel time along the South Shore Line by as much as 10 minutes by having trains approach the airport from the west with a shorter traveling distance and decreased number of at-grade crossings (as few as seven grade crossings, as opposed to the twenty-three grade crossings in the current east approach to the airport). Split this incredibly long sentence (77 words).
South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg First use: "South Bend mayor Pete Buttigieg". Second use: "Buttigieg". Similarly, "NICTD president", not "NICTD President". (
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The reason for this higher estimate was due to both inflation and challenges that the second study developed a greater understanding of. Avoid ending a sentence with a preposition.
between Michigan City, Indiana and the station Needs a
MOS:GEOCOMMA after "Indiana"
Image captions that are complete sentences (#2 and #3) should end in periods.
the Union Station Technology missing "Center"
Spot checks
4: "Slow and circuitous": One portion of the tracks in South Bend, near Bendix Driver, significantly halts overall travel time. That's one reason South Shore officials want to move the boarding station at the South Bend Airport from the East side to the West side. "They could make it a straight shot on the West side of the airport," says Kostielney. "They could travel at a higher speed and they wouldn't have to spend so much time winding around."Y
6: Parrott August 2018, used four times: Y
The goal is to move the station at the east end of South Bend International Airport to the west end, to cut the Chicago trip time by another 10 minutes and help spark a new cargo hub.
Rea, however, added that the Chamber’s top priority for the South Shore is moving it to the other side of the airport, where it could spark a new air-to-rail cargo hub.
In telling the common council Monday night that he wants to pursue a downtown station for the South Shore Line, Mayor Pete Buttigieg shed some light on what’s been a murky issue, and he excited some council members.
Buttigieg is touting the potential economic benefits of a new station near Four Winds Field.
20: Michael Noland, the South Shore Line’s president, agrees with South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg that a downtown South Shore station could be good for the city’s economy in the long run. But a new station at South Bend International Airport is a more attainable short-term goal, Noland said.Y
24: a proposed terminus located between the Union Station Technology Center building (on the south) and the Four Winds Field at Covaleski Stadium (on the north) (p3, PDF p7) Y
29: The long term vision of the city is to see the South Shore Line in downtown South Bend. “Over the years, buildings in the downtown had been torn down as people moved away,” Mueller said. “The possibilities for moving back and getting buildings in those areas is tremendous.Y
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