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I think we need to be consistent with the caps total assigned to Vivian Woodward. We should either include ALL his amateur caps, or exclude them. At the moment, the only ones included are the ones which occur between his 31st and 35th overall appearance. If we include the Amateur caps, his 30th appearance (to tie Stanfield) was actually an Amateur game against France on May 22, 1909 (an 11-0 win) and not the game against Wales on March 15 (that was his 27th overall appearance, and 18th 'non-Amateur' appearance). Similarly, his overall caps after 35 have been missed; in fact he should stay ahead of Billy Meredith all the way, and ultimately wind up with 53 caps, holding the record alone until tied by Imre Schlosser on June 15, 1917. If however, we exclude his Amateur caps (which I personally would prefer), he never appears on the most capped list. Meredith immediately takes over from Stanfield.
To summarize: if we include Woodward's Amateur caps, the table between Stanfield's 30th and Schlosser's 53rd should have the following Woodward caps only (courtesy of http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/woodward-intl.html) :
Cap | Team | Date | Opposition | Score | Note |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
30 | England Amateurs | 5/22/1909 | France | 11-0 | |
31 | England | 5/29/1909 | Hungary | 4-2 | |
32 | England | 5/31/1909 | Hungary | 8-2 | |
33 | England | 6/1/1909 | Austria | 8-1 | |
34 | England Amateurs | 11/6/1909 | Sweden | 7-0 | |
35 | England Amateurs | 12/11/1909 | Netherlands | 9-1 | |
36 | England | 2/12/1910 | Ireland | 1-1 | British Championship |
37 | England Amateurs | 3/4/1911 | Belgium | 4-0 | |
38 | England | 3/13/1911 | Wales | 3-0 | British Championship |
39 | England Amateurs | 4/17/1911 | Netherlands | 1-0 | |
40 | England Amateurs | 5/25/1911 | Switzerland | 4-1 | |
41 | England Amateurs | 10/21/1911 | Denmark | 3-0 | |
42 | England Amateurs | 3/16/1912 | Netherlands | 4-0 | |
43 | England Amateurs | 4/8/1912 | Belgium | 2-1 | |
44 | England Amateurs | 6/30/1912 | Hungary | 7-0 | Olympic Games |
45 | England Amateurs | 7/2/1912 | Finland | 4-0 | Olympic Games |
46 | England Amateurs | 7/4/1912 | Denmark | 4-2 | Olympic Games |
47 | England Amateurs | 11/9/1912 | Belgium | 4-0 | |
48 | England Amateurs | 3/21/1913 | Germany | 3-0 | |
49 | England Amateurs | 3/24/1913 | Netherlands | 1-2 | |
50 | England Amateurs | 11/15/1913 | Netherlands | 2-1 | |
51 | England Amateurs | 2/24/1914 | Belgium | 8-1 | |
52 | England Amateurs | 6/5/1914 | Denmark | 0-3 | |
53 | England Amateurs | 6/10/1914 | Sweden | 5-1 |
If we exclude Woodward's Amateur caps, the table between Stanfield's 30th and Meredith's 36th should be all Meredith, and should read (courtesy of http://www.eu-football.info/_player.php?id=13789)
Cap | Team | Date | Opposition | Score | Note |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
30 | Wales | 3/20/1909 | Ireland | 3-2 | British Championship |
31 | Wales | 3/5/1910 | Scotland | 0-1 | British Championship |
32 | Wales | 3/14/1910 | England | 0-1 | British Championship |
33 | Wales | 4/11/1910 | Ireland | 4-1 | British Championship |
34 | Wales | 1/28/1911 | Ireland | 2-1 | British Championship |
35 | Wales | 3/6/1911 | Scotland | 2-2 | British Championship |
36 | Wales | 3/13/1911 | England | 0-3 | British Championship |
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Also just noticed another thing. If we include all of Woodward's, Meredith holds the record jointly with Stanfield on 30 from Mar 20, 1909 until May 22 1909, and Meredith, Stanfield and Woodward then hold it till May 29. Woodward takes it alone at that point. Stevew2022 ( talk) 18:41, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
This appears to be the men's record. Should the title be changed and a separate page created for women, or should women be included here, either as a separate list or integrated? Ma t c hups 10:48, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Players missing from the early part of the list: Charlie Campbell, JR Morgan, Billy Williams, WP Owen etc. Needs another look. And the England Amateur discussion is a giant red herring. The English FA have never counted those matches as official. Some countries do, and that's their prerogative. FIFA's attempts to tidy up and make 'official' lists is a waste of time (you can't rewrite history like that). And they've agreed to leave the England Amateur question alone. I've got their email to prove it! Cris Freddi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.3.81 ( talk) 11:40, 15 June 2012 (UTC)