This article is written in
British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other
varieties of English. According to the
relevant style guide, this should not be changed without
broad consensus.
Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll is a
featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the
Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it,
please do so.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
join the project and
contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the
documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject British Royalty (a child project of the
Royalty and Nobility Work Group), an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to
British Royalty on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you should visit the
project page, where you can
join the project and/or contribute to the
discussion.British RoyaltyWikipedia:WikiProject British RoyaltyTemplate:WikiProject British RoyaltyBritish royalty articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the
United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women artists, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
women artists on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women artistsWikipedia:WikiProject Women artistsTemplate:WikiProject Women artistsWomen artists articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Women's history and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History articles
At the end of this very informative article is a list of Canadian Regiments that still bear the name of Princess Louise.
Unfortunately however there is no mention of the British Regiments that fought in both the first and second world wars, and indeed 41 (Princess Louise of Kensington) Signal Squadron which still operates today within 31 Signal Regiment, and which has a significant role in UK Operations.
Would someone please research this and amend the article?
Many thanks.
An update to her military appointments, it is mentioned that she gave her name to 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's) but is not listed;
...permission was sought to include her name in the Regiment’s title. Princess Louise consented and in July 1884, the Regiment was redesignated the 8th Princess Louise’s New Brunswick Regiment of Cavalry. In 1889, the Regiment was officially classified as "Hussars" in the Militia List and in 1892 the Regiment was again redesignated the 8th Princess Louise’s New Brunswick Hussars, a title which remained until 1957. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
131.137.245.209 (
talk)
14:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Princess Louise vs. Albert Lacombe
According to historian Elie Auclair, Alberta was named in honor of missionary Albert Lacombe. Why is Princess Louise usually credited with the origin of the name ?
Surely saying that she was the most attractive of her sisters is a little POV? Just going on the photos that are currently on the pages, I would definitely have said Victoria. But perhaps a better picture could be found. On the other hand, if she was generally considered the most attractive of the sisters at the time and this is of any importance, someone should add a reference.
91.105.5.1913:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)reply
She was greatly admired by her contemporaries as the most beautiful and flirtatious of all of her sisters. There are many sources for this, but this is one that I have to hand: "...she was the queen's [Victoria's] most beautiful daughter..." (Mark Stocker, ‘Louise, Princess, duchess of Argyll (1848–1939)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, Sept 2004; online edn, May 2006
accessed 25 Dec 2007). I've therefore changed "least unattractive" to "most attractive". I will also try and get a clearer photo uploaded.
PeterSymonds |
talk07:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Time in Canada
I've removed from the opening paragraph the line about her 'evincing considerable boredom'. This is adequately and appropriately referenced in the section dealing with her time in Canada and does not belong to the general brief introduction to her - to have that statement there makes out it was her singular and most important attribute.
Plutonium27 (
talk)
15:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)reply
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic
javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
The lead of this article may be too long, or may contain too many paragraphs. Please follow guidelines at
WP:LEAD; be aware that the lead should adequately summarize the article.[?]
The lead is for summarizing the rest of the article, and should not introduce new topics not discussed in the rest of the article, as per
WP:LEAD. Please ensure that the lead adequately summarizes the article.[?]
If this article is about a person, please add {{persondata|PLEASE SEE [[WP:PDATA]]!}} along with the required parameters to the article - see
Wikipedia:Persondata for more information.[?]
Per
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space - between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 366 metres, use 366 metres, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 366 metres.[?]
Per
WP:WIAFA, this article's table of contents (ToC) may be too long – consider shrinking it down by merging short sections or using a proper system of daughter pages as per
Wikipedia:Summary style.[?]
This article may need to undergo
summary style, where a series of appropriate subpages are used. For example, if the article is
United States, then an appropriate subpage would be
History of the United States, such that a summary of the subpage exists on the mother article, while the subpage goes into more detail.[?]
There are a few occurrences of
weasel words in this article- please observe
WP:AWT. Certain phrases should specify exactly who supports, considers, believes, etc., such a view.
allege
might be weasel words, and should be provided with proper
citations (if they already do, or are not weasel terms, please strike this comment).[?]
The script has spotted the following contractions: wouldn't, won't, can't, if these are outside of quotations, they should be expanded.
As done in
WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the
CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between. For example, the sun is larger than the moon [2]. is usually written as the sun is larger than the moon.[2][?]
All biographies state that Louise was the first daughter of a Sovereign to marry a commoner. An example: "The queen claimed that the marriage was ‘the most popular act of my reign’ (Fulford, 305) and the press generally hailed it for striking a ‘democratic’ note, Louise being the first daughter of a sovereign since 1515 to marry a commoner." from the Oxford DNB article. The ODNB is an extremely authoritative source; I doubt they'd use the word "commoner" incorrectly.
PeterSymonds |
talk10:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)reply
If the word "commoner" is being used here in a different sense from that of the Wikipedia article, then at a minimum this article should not wikilink to that article, which is as wrong as linking
Mickey Mouse to
Pluto instead of to
Pluto, and a good deal less obvious. Even better would be to amend that article to take account of the variety of meanings of "commoner".
jnestorius(
talk)10:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)reply
German Mediatization has its separate article, though. The noun has the same meaning, whatever nationality you are, so it would mean the same outside German context.
PeterSymonds |
talk23:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)reply
I think the problem is the understanding of the actual word and how it's used. Technically, on thought, the ODNB is technically wrong in stating that she was the first daughter of the British Sovereign to marry a commoner, because Charles Brandon was Duke of Suffolk – of noble rank, and therefore not a commoner by definition. I've found another way to say it. No such marriage had been given official recognition since 1515, when Charles Brandon, the first Duke of Suffolk, married Mary Tudor. Would this be suitable as a replacement?
PeterSymonds |
talk17:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)reply
I think use of the term non-royal may be more helpful. The article is technically correct because you are a commoner if you are not a peer. Although he was called Lord Lorne, technically it was his father's title that he used as a courtesy title, and so he was not a peer in his own right, but a commoner - until the death of his father. In the UK, nobles are legally commoners unless they are peers in their own right.
I would speculate that Charles Brandon, the first Duke of Suffolk was probably not yet the Duke of Suffolk when he married Mary Tudor, hence his description as a commoner.
121.73.7.84 (
talk)
08:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)reply
I have seen this page be vandalized many times since it has been posted as a FA.
Maybe someone should protect it.
kkarma05:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)reply
To be honest I don't think it's necessary. The TFA always gets vandalised more than often than other articles, and looking at the history, the vandalism doesn't seem to be too bad at the moment.
PeterSymonds |
talk07:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)reply
Street names
Many of the streets in Brandon, Manitoba are named after people who were involved in the building of the Canadian Pacific railroad. Two of the downtown streets are Princess Avenue and Louise Avenue. They are on either side of Lorne Avenue, so Lord Lorne is surrounded by his wife.
216.36.132.66 (
talk)
13:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)reply
Yeah, there are a number of things named after Louise, especially in Canada. I like the confluence of streets, though, very interesting; but I can't find a reference to back up the name. Thanks!
PeterSymonds |
talk16:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)reply
She was christened Louisa Caroline Alberta but was always known as Louise. However, her grandmother was Princess Victoria Mary Louisa, so it is unclear who the inlet was actually named after.
RockyMtnGuy (
talk)
07:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)reply
The first princess+commoner marriage?
"No such marriage, between a daughter of a Sovereign and a British subject, had been given official recognition since 1515, when
Charles Brandon, the first
Duke of Suffolk, married
Mary Tudor."
There are at least three problems with this statement:
Unfortunate lack of candor with regard to Lord Lorne
Lord Lorne was a noted homosexual - I find it odd that this article merely refers to "rumours". Particularly since Princess Louise's search for sexual fulfilment outside her marriage is given so much space, it would be appropriate, and indeed necessary, that Lord Lorne's homosexuality be explicated rather more frankly and completely. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.7.94.152 (
talk)
21:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Princess Louise, use of word "feminist" and her name
Hi. When you say that Princess Louise was a supporter of the feminist movement, this is kind of anachronistic, since feminism wasn't really even a term at that point, and the suffragist movements and the several feminist movements haven't all been identical or even had exactly the same aims. I am willing to track down exactly which version of suffragism she involved herself with if you like, or perhaps this is already something you are on top of? Your page is so good, I didn't want to go in and just change things, so I thought I'd bring it up here. Sharon
Scogdill (
talk)
15:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Why don't you make a more specific suggestion here of what change you think should be made, so that the article's editors can discuss it and possibly incorporate it into the article? --
Ssilvers (
talk)
13:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Also, in the intro the article says she was born Louise but she was christened Louisa, which the article confirms later. Is this a subtle distinction? or really we should say she was christened Louisa rather than that she was born Louise? Sharon
Scogdill (
talk)
15:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Since she was known as Louise throughout her life, the christening name is probably not important enough to go in the
WP:LEAD section (Lead sections should be succinct) and is properly treated below, in the "Early life" section. That's only my opinion, though. --
Ssilvers (
talk)
13:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I saw a docu on TV last night, Victoria and her daughters, which offers more insight. It seems to have had consent from the Royal family as access to some very Royal looking real estate would indicate.
58.174.224.23 (
talk)
01:18, 13 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Non-sequitur?
The lede says: 'She was also a supporter of the feminist movement, corresponded with Josephine Butler and visited Elizabeth Garrett. She held that "the subject of Domestic Economy lies at the root of the – highest life of every true woman."
The quotation doesn't sound very feminist, rather the opposite. I don't see how it supports the preceding statement. It is also not represented in the main article, so shouldn't be in the lede at all.
Valetude (
talk)
16:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)reply
Louise fell in love with John, Marquess of Lorne,
This also is silly. It is evident from cources cited in th emost recent bigoraphy of Princess Louise ("The Mystery of Princess Louise: Queen Victoria's Rebellious Daughter by Lucinda Hawksley") that the marriage was a effectively one of convenience on both sides, although the public were encouraged to believe it was a love match.
JF42 (
talk)
11:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC)reply
In the docu 'Queen Victoria's daughters' it is said that Louise was very pretty and attracted to a sculptor. This led to the marriage being arranged to prevent ... whatever you may call it. It was also said that Louise had some windows of Kensington Palace bricked up because her husband would get out at night and seek gay adventures. The docu makers had access to the Queen's archives.
58.174.193.2 (
talk)
00:19, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Lucinda Hawksley biography
This article needs to be updated to mention the Hawksley biography, which is quite incendiary. The section above hints at the great variation between this biography (which mentions 2 or 3 previous biographies of the princess, while we refer in Wikipedia's voice to Wake as her biographer as if hers is the only one) and the statements made in the article. Hawksley is almost definite that Lorne was gay and on p. 301 outright calls Henry Locock the princess's son. On less scandalous matters, too, Wikipedia is saying things that Hawksley convincingly demonstrates were otherwise: she repeatedly returned to Europe to escape the Canadian winter rather than having become used to it, and in her last 20 years of life, when not ill, she continued to have a heavy schedule of public appearances; she was never a shut-in or a recluse. The article has become outdated and needs to at least acknowledge this new portrait.
Yngvadottir (
talk)
19:42, 19 September 2016 (UTC)reply
External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on
Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit
this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with
this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
this tool.
I was disappointed that only one of the citations (the bust of Louise's brother, Leopold) led me to a photo so that I could see more of her work, other than the famous & oft-photographed Queen Victoria sculpture at KP. Judging by that statue alone, Louise seemed to be an extremely talented artist, so I was hoping to see other works of art she had done. Alas. Would someone know where & could add directions to Louise's works? TYVM in advance if anyone can.
ScarletRibbons (
talk)
06:29, 28 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Requested move 24 January 2023
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose - This is less uniform than you think. Peruse the list of British princesses and you'll notice that there are as many as 3 different standards for princesses in similar situations and from the same time period. This particular case if much closer to what the modern standard is and it's much more accurate than some other titles. Revisiting one would invite a revisit to many other titles or even standards so it's best to leave it alone. --
Killuminator (
talk)
10:06, 26 January 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Killuminator I looked through the list of
British princesses since 1714 and only 4 (apart from those living) seemed to have any differentiation from the standard title at birth. They were:
And I'm not even counting the living princesses. This alone demonstrates that there is not a clear pattern and we should probably go with
WP:COMMONNAME, which is the safest option. It should also be noted that the reason some pages are at the subject's birth name is because the married name has been less commonly used. For example,
Princess Charlotte of Wales (1796–1817) is rarely referred to as "Princess Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld". Same with
Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom, who was technically "Princess Henry of Battenberg". Keivan.fTalk22:54, 7 February 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Keivan.f Those are different. I should have been more clear. Princess Louise and Princess Mary were Princesses Royal in their own right. Princess Louise was not created Duchess of Argyll, but married the Duke of Argyll. Alice wasn't Countess of Athlone by right, but by marriage to the Earl of Athlone. Same for Princess Margaret and Princess Mary.
And the examples you cited of Charlotte and Beatrice are actually perfect examples of what I'm suggesting, titling them based on what they were known as at birth, or at least a title they didn't hold by marriage to someone else.
Estar8806 (
talk)
23:09, 7 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Yet Princess Mary was not created Countess of Harewood at birth. Obviously that is there to distinguish her from
Mary, Princess Royal and Princess of Orange, but still in both cases they are titles not bestowed upon them at birth. And to elaborate on what I was saying before about Charlotte, my point is that in those cases it is unreasonable to have the page titled after an obscure title such as "Princess Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld", no matter how formal or official it might be. That is not really the case for Princess Louise or Princess Alice though, because the inclusion of their titles does not omit their Christian names. I also wonder what other users think. It's better to have different perspectives. Keivan.fTalk23:42, 7 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Your point is very fair and understandable. I also agree with your point to avoid obscurity, however I would point out that comparing the notability of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld to the UK. As you said, Mary's designation as Countess of Harewood is to distinguish her to from the other Princess Royal by the name Mary. That is also why I didn't propose an RM on Princess Mary, Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh because "Princess Mary of Great Britain/the United Kingdom" could be any of the three.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.