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There is a picture described as "A level 5 Bulbasaur involved in a battle with a level 5 Charmander in Pokémon Red." However, if you look carefully at the picture you will notice that there are too many colors invovled for it to be from pokemon red. It looks more like its from Pokemon Yellow.
I have passed this article for
Good Article status. Congratulations! If you want this article to reach Featured Article status, I reccomend adding more inline citations and references for now.
Funpika01:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
It appears that someone has uploaded a picture of the starters, which seems fanmade, and has no rational or copyright information, and has placed it in the article. Should we
IfD it? Or what? Jerichi~
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I'm not sure what justification would be used to delete it, but I agree that it doesn't belong - it's a fan-made picture made using hte sprites, and it really serves no purpose. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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Okay, I removed it from the article, so if nothing else OrphanBot will get it eventually. If anyone wants to get rid of it faster, that'd be fine too. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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Pokemon Online
Hey everybody, I found this site that has a Pokemon MMORPG and it sounds friggin' gay. You need to download the client like every other MMORPG. I dont know if its real or a virus so im not downloading it yet. Do you think you guys could look into it? The websites address is
http://www.pokemonol.net/. I would really like to try it but my computer antivirus stinks lol. If it is real and not a virus we can add it to the Miscellaneous section.
That depends on what you mean by legit. POL is pretty reputable, so you probably won’t get a virus from them. I even played the old Alpha, back in the day.( The same cannot be said of their advertisers, necessarily, so don’t just go clicking everything and think it will be OK).
Unfortunately, yes, you did break a rule, but it’s OK, now you know in the future. See, these talk pages are for talking about the articles, not the subjects. In other words, this page is NOT for discussing Pokémon, it is for discussing the
Wikipedia article aboutPokémon. If you want to talk/ask about Pokémon, you should go to a forum somewhere. --
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Umm, I think he/she was thinking of adding this in the article, maybe? :p Look at the end of the post. Just wanted to clarify.
213.42.2.11
There isn't a miscellaneous section. But if he/she was thinking about making a miscellaneous section and putting that in there, it might be okay...but then again it might not be relevant enough to use at all. So basically the poster was not breaking a rule.
Funpika13:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Talk archived.
I am happy to say that I successfully created
Archive 2! Approximately 55 discussions were archived this time.
Pokémon/Archive_2 has been set to redirect to the
Pokémon article the same way it was from Archive 1. An archive box is on this page, Archive 1, and Archive 2 now. It is possible to navigate the Archives using it.
4 discussions other than this one were NOT archived due to how recent their discussion is. These discussions will be archived in Archive 3.
Funpika00:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Citations
It is about time we seriously try to get this featured. But we haven't met the
criteria yet. The main problem is citations. Once we get those I will get this article Peer Reviewed and depending on the results, this article's rating may elevate to A class and a nomination for Featured Article will be placed. I am hoping that this article reaches Featured by the end of Q1 2007 (end of next month). I will be working hard trying to get citations today. If I get enough I will get this peer reviewed later today or tomorrow.
Funpika14:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I think it's a little absurd to try to get this featured before the games are even released in the US - once they are, they'll serve as primary-source references for much of the stuff here anyway, not to mention that with new info coming in at an increasing rate up to the release, there's a good chance the article won't really meet the "stable" criterion until the games have been out for a few weeks. There's no hurry - it's probably best to wait on FA, and just keep the article decent until then. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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You are referring to Pokemon Diamond and Pearl? I would 100% agree if this article was solely for Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, but it is NOT. This article is for Pokemon in general. Do we really have to wait because of 1 small section of the article? Frankly I think you thought this article was only for those games, considering you didn't say WHICH games even if it is painfully obvious. You only said "The Games".
Funpika22:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
slaps self in head* Sorry about that, I was fully under the impression that I was on the D/P talk page...stupid me. :(
This page, yes, by all means, we need to get as many citations as possible and get it featured. I'll look for some too. FA status for this article is long overdue. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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Apology accepted. :) Maybe you thought this was the D/P talk because now this talk and the D/P talk are about the same size since this talk page got archived yesterday.
Funpika01:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
characters last names
this may not seem important but what are the characters last names?
As far as I recall, only Ash Ketchum, Delia Ketchum, Gary Oak, Samuel Oak, and Tracey Sketchit are the only important characters on the show who have officially been given last names. Anything else you've heard of is probably speculation or made up by fans. --
Brandon Dilbeck02:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Erm, May and Max's dad is not Professor Birch. It's Norman. Wherever you got those names is probably telling you fake info. (
Crystalespeon18:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC))
Good Website
Should I Add This WQebsite? I mean it had info of pokemon Diamond And Pearl Even Before The Japaneese Started Working On it.
Pokemon Elite 2000—Preceding
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PE2K is just a fansite (albeit a pretty good one), and frankly there's nothing there (besides its sprite galleries, which we don't use) that isn't done better at another site such as Serebii or Psypokes. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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This Website Has Been On Since 2001. This website had info found way before Pokemon.com will get it. It may be like Serebii but it has a more simple layout. Oh and the Pokemon Diamond Pearl Info on the website was when the Japaneese announced the game. I still think it should be on.
Pendo 421:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The article already has five good, official links. Wikipedia
isn't a repository of links; if we added a link to one fansite, then by precedent, we'd have to allow links to all of them to be added and then there'd be dozens if not hundreds of links, which would be really unprofessional. --
Brandon Dilbeck22:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
While the fansites usually do post information before the official pokemon.com site does, it's absolutely ludicrous to imply that any fansite recieves the information first, considering pokemon.com is run by Pokémon USA. Not to mention that, from observing several sites over the past month or so, serebii.net posts information a few days before pe2k.com on average, and updates more often, so even if we were going to put a fansite in the external links section, it would probably be Serebii, not PE2K. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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About the new additions
I really like the new stucture of the article - it flows a lot better than it did before. However, because it's largely rewritten, there's a good amount of copyediting to be done. :) I did some editing on a few sections tonight, and I'm planning on looking the rest over as well, but it's definitely a good idea for everyone possible to look it over - the more eyes, the more errors get caught, and if we nominate this for FA soon, we don't want to be tripped up because of grammar, style, or consistency errors. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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I know how influential a player's choice of Starter Pokémon can affect the game, but I am having trouble seeing the significance of including a section about them in this article. --
Brandon Dilbeck22:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not actually sure if we need an overview of the game mechanics at all: isn't that what
Pokémon (video games) is for? If we do decide to leave it in, it would be better to have a mechanic that's prominent in all the media (including the TCG and manga), like
Pokémon battles. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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Pokémon name origins
I remeber a while back there was a page with the name origins for all the Pokémon, and now it's gone. Why was it deleted? Can someone bring it back, because I thought it was very useful. --
User:marioguy 10:35 CST
I don't remember a page like that, but I've only been hanging around here for about a year. I have to disagree about the article sounding useful—it sounds interesting, but not encyclopedic (and probably chock full of original research). If it's any consolation, nearly all of the articles about each Pokémon species has that information in the introduction. --
Brandon Dilbeck18:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I imagine that if it ever did exist, it was removed because of OR concerns. Frankly, any and all speculation on the origins of individual Pokémon names is technically OR, because Game freak and Nintendo never say anything about it, even though a good number of the names are almost painfully obvious. It's been generally accepted that name origins, OR though they may be, can stay on each page, but I can imagine that a full article of them would grind on a few editors' nerves. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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I remember seeing a page like that at one point, but it was lacking sources, so I agree; it was likely to be original research.
Pokedork787612:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Sure you can, but that's largely coincidence, which is why I removed the bold from the English part a few days ago. The contraction actually comes from the Japanese: Poketto Monsutā. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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I'm confused; isn't "Poketto Monsutā" just the Japanese way of writing something that must be pronounced "Pocket Monsters"?
[1] If so, it's no coincidence that it can come from either name. --The Raven's Apprentice(
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Close, but not quite. "ポケットモンスター", Romanized to "Poketto Monsutā", isn't just the way "Pocket Monsters" is spelled in Japanese, it's also how it's spoken. In other words, the pronunciation is inflexible (it's always pronounced "ポケットモンスター"), but it can be written in three different ways: katakana, direct Romanization of the katakana, or the Trademarked Romanization. The contraction was originally used in speech, so "ポケットモンスター" became "ポケモン". The fact that the rules of English happen to place the right letters in the right place for the contraction to be derivable from the trademarked Romanization as well is a coincidence: "pawket", "pockit", and "pocket" would, theoretically, be pronounced the same, but only the spelling of the actual English word, and not other versions of how the word might have evolved, actually contains the same four letters as "Poke". Likewise, "pocket" could have, when Western loanwords were being absorbed into the Japanese language, been spelled/pronounced "パケット" ("paketto"), which is arguably as close to the English word "pocket" as "poketto" is. In this case as well, the official Romanization and the katakana would not match up. It's just a matter of coincidence (albeit not a very far-fetched one) that the English and the Romanized Japanese happened to line up.
Regardless, the "Pocket Monsters" derivation doesn't belong in the article. Sorry for being so long winded, I just wanted to make sure anyone who was wondering the same thing could understand it. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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While we're on the subject, there's quite a few ways to type the é character. If you're using a Windows computer, you can hold Alt and then type 130 or 0233 on the number pad. On a Mac, you can press Option and e, then press e again (once for the acute accent, then once again for the e under it). Or you can type é into the source code—it'll turn it into a é when the page is rendered. Or you can copy and paste the character from one word to another. You can also copy the character from Character Map, if your computer has that. I'm sure there are other ways as well. --
Brandon Dilbeck03:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Or you can just use the little "é" in the "Insert" box at the bottom of every edit field. ;) It's also a great way to put in the various extended vowels (ā, ē, etc.) that are often found in the Japanese names. Now if only it had katakana... ~e.o.t.d~ (
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On a possibly related note, Serebii has now reported that another Mystery Dungeon game is in the works, but he's not sure yet if that's the game that will be mentioned in CoroCoro. ~e.o.t.d~ (
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It is still unknown if these are the games Coro Coro are talking. Most likely not since it is not really possible for it to be announced before Coro Coro and that the Websites are not from Coro Coro.
Pendo 420:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Gold And Silver Error
The second generation of Pokémon began in
2000 with the release of
Pokémon Gold and Silver for
Game Boy Color. Like the previous generation, an enhanced remake titled Pokémon Crystal was later released. It introduced 100 new species of Pokémon (starting with
Chikorita and ending with
Celebi), for a total of 251 Pokémon to collect, train, and battle.
I believe the lines "Like the previous generation, an enhanced remake titled...Pokemon Crystal...was later released. It introduced 100 new spieces of Pokemon..., for a total of 251 Pokemon to collect, train, and battle." are out of order. This statement might lead some to believe that Pokemon Crystal itself introduced 100 new species of Pokemon, not its previous incarnations of Gold and Silver
EugeneBaker18:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
You mean
this one? Curious. There's no source information in the image's page. Something is seriously screwy with the shadows of the attack names on the bottom, and the picture itself is really
lossy. --
Brandon Dilbeck23:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
pokemon was once parodied on one of Ant & Decs shows where Dec was dressed up at Misty, Ant as Brock, and they'd apparantly been having a relationship and Misty was mad at Brock for cheating on her with Jesse from team rocket, and they proceeded to have a battle and one of Ant/Brocks weapons was Bryan from Westlife and he brought on Westlife and they proceeded to sing Flying Without Wings while Dec/Misty went phsyco screaming Bryans name, embaressing Bryan and then she ripped her shirt open revealing a picture of Bryan then he/she faints. —The preceding
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A few pokemon related articles mention competitive play. Apparently there are a list of rules too. Can someone expand on this? I've never heard of pokemon tournments other than the TCG. Where are they, what are the rules, and how do you register to play?
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Why does everyone pronounce Pokémon Pokimon? It has the accent on the é, (e as in eggs) therefore, it should be pronounced as Pokémon. (This was just a suggestion, so please do not think that this is an important change to make.) Thank you.
Orthodoxy23:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Ignorance, I suppose. A lot of people probably don't know how é should be pronounced, and there were lots of times in the news for instance that I saw it spelled without the accent. Besides the IPA notation at the beginning of the article, it doesn't really seem prevalent enough to write much about in the article. --
Brandon Dilbeck19:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it really supposed to be pronounced like in the IPA transcript in the introduction, a.k.a. POKEYMAN, or in the less stupid sounding way: [po'kemon], as if it were romaji? --nlitement[talk]16:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
It can be pronounced either way. Like digimon; it can be di-gi-mon, or di-gee-mon. It just depends on what rolls of the toungue.
Brandonrc220:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Why?
Why is this article longer than the "Lutheranism" article, for example?—The preceding
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Because there are a lot of knowledgeable members that contributed to this article. Why is any article longer than another? No reason really. It's not a show of importance or anything. Guess Lutherans might not be Wiki-smart though. (And I can joke, because I'm Lutheran myself)
BlackxxJapan07:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Dude, because there's more to say. I'm fairly new, but I've already heard lots of odd complaints. But this one takes the cake.
Crowstar22:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Standardized Sections?
While browsing through various Pokémon's sites, I noticed a large discrepancy between section headers; for example, sometimes they're named "Appearance/Biology" or sometimes "Biological Characteristics". Take a look at
Shuppet and it's evolution
Banette. Some differences I can find just by skimming:
Either Shuppet is overly-sourced or Banette is under-sourced
Banette's biology section is much longer than Shuppet's
Shuppet's "role in games" section is described in much greater detail than Banette's
Banette has a main section "Role" with subsections "...in the Video games", "... in the anime", etc, where Shuppet's are all different main sections
Banette has separate sections for anime and the TCG but Shuppet has a single section for "other media"
I guess what I'm trying to do is lobby for well-defined sections and subsections that are consistent for all Pokémon. Who's with me?
Schmloof07:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say I'm not. I mean, I'm into Pokemon games, but as for biology? Maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about.
Sincerely, me
Newgrounds?
What's with all those random reference tags about newgrounds scattered around the article? Might want to clean those up if possible. —The preceding
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I think you should eliminate them because newgrounds have nothing to do with pokemon.
(newgrounds is a game site that usually as films to make fun of pokemon)
Should someone add
Eevee to the list of Starter Pokémon. In
Pokémon Yellow, Professor Oak originally intends that you receive Eevee, but Gary snatches the Pokéball
You're right; someone should. Not only was he Gary's Pokemon in Yellow version, but you also get an Eevee as a starter in Pokemon XD.
Sincerely,
67.182.178.22021:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
There ought to be a subdivision within the Pokemon information area that lists every move that a Pokemon can learn, and explains its effects, power, accuracy, and types. We already have a list of Pokemon--why not their attacks? —The preceding
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I'm pretty sure that it is at least because some people might mistake the word "Pokémon" as "Pokeman", and even think that the plural is "Pokemans" (instead of what I think would be "Pokemen"). --
Brandon Dilbeck14:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
The plural of Pokémon (the word and the names of all of them) remains unchanged from the original word (i. e. 493 Pokémom, 5 Pikachu, etc.).
I know this should be put under the Horsea article, but then no one would see this. It says in the article that, "In contrast to actual seahorse reproduction, the female lay the eggs, not the male". Well, male seahorses don't lay eggs, they give birth. The female lays the eggs in the male! Besides, in Pokémon, the female always lays the egg! —The preceding
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17:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
But do all pokemon have eggs, even if they look like a mamel? for instence, what about pilowswine? —Preceding
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Church in Pokemon DP
Can someone add to the religion post that there is a church in the most recent version of the pokemon game series, along with, I believe, an NPC that speaks about tolerance of other beliefs. — Preceding
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Dude! New discussions go at the bottom of the talk page. And please sign your posts. About your question, is there anything inherently notable about this building (I don't recall the game ever calling it a church or in any other way noting anything religious about it) or the comment about the person? If there's nothing to say about it, then why mention it? --
Brandon Dilbeck19:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
it's true, it is never mentioned as a church, per se. It does have traditional church elements, such as stained glass windows and is completely quiet compared to the noisy town. A man inside also mentiones There do I see my father, my son, my life. And there do I see Pokémon, nature, the world. That is pretty much a church statement. But as far as fact, there is no mention of church, and no mention of a religion. Therefore it should not be included. But I can see where the guy got the idea.
Kevin 20 5 23 2619:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
It's not OFFICIALLY a church, and as far as I know it serves no function in the game. However, I think the Hearthome City map says something like "There is a building here where many people gather." or something like that.
Crowstar00:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Non-Neutral Comment
I found this comment among the info on religeous critisism;
"The Pokémon Trading Card Game has been criticized by members of the Jewish community for its use of the swastika, though Nintendo says that this is a matter of cultural misunderstanding, as the swastika and a similar symbol, the manji, have been used in East Asian cultures as a symbol for good fortune by the Hindu religion for thousands of years. The manji was shown only on a Japanese version card and was excluded from the North American release. However, these Jewish groups attacked the Japanese version distributed in the U.S. by unauthorized import. As a result of this controversy Nintendo stopped using this symbol even in the Japanese version. Just show how stupid people are."
Although I totally agree with this comment, Wikipedia is a place for FACTS, not opinions (as stated
HERE). Because I'm not a registered user and the topic is locked, I just thought I'd mention this so someone with proper permissions can edit it.
"Generations" vs. "Generations of Pokemon Video Games"
I noticed that the section titled "Generations" contains several Pokemon video games and contains muhc content on the video games, therefore I suggest it should be titled: "Generations of Pokemon Video Games".
Kevin 20 5 23 26
An invisible comment in that section says, "Please don't delete/rename this header as it is linked to from a number of places." I'm making a header titled "Video games" and putting both it and game mechanics under it. --The Raven's Apprentice(
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Just wondering, but since Effort Values (EVs) and IVs play a very large role in the stats of any given Pokemon, should they be mentioned in the article?
Thanks —Preceding
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Adding information like that would make the article seem like a game guide, which the high-ranking Wikipedia editors do not want.
Ultraflame00:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Im truely sorry for being mean,but I realy was trying
to be funny,you see i have A weird sense of hummor.
also I don't have many people to talk to about pokemon
and I can't stand it when people support villens-
espeliy chipher. I secerly apologize for the trouble
I caused,And I geuss I over reacted,so for the good
of everybody This will be the last e-mail from the pokemon
poster child. — Preceding
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okay,sorry for the misunderstanding. Chipher is the crime sqaud in
the pokemon games Xd gale of darkness and coloseum.
by the way, so what does it meen when you use it?— Preceding
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24.210.159.34 (
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lisen,I said I was sorry okay, so lets just be freinds and move on.
and Im not A guy Im A girl. — Preceding
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talk) Please sign your posts!
I want to add the accent mark, to all "pokemon" references. Is there any circumstance in which this is not official or a good thing?
I also wanted to know if there was a way to automatically change "pokemon" to pokémon when users enter information. I want only "pokemon", not other words that also have e in them.
Always sign your comments on Wikipedia with four tildes, like this: ~~~~. And the only place where "pokemon" should be used is when the site you're linking to in the ref says "Pokemon", not "Pokémon". No, I don't know of any way to automatically change e to é, but you can type é without using the Insert box: just use Alt+130 on the num pad. --The Raven's Apprentice(PokéNav|Trainer Card)03:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Vandalism
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
somebody ruined the main artical!
I can't even look up A pokemon any more and
this is where I always come to do that! —The preceding
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I just got a message from Graham1991, and it turns out that he wasn't the vandal, it was KidsClub1. I sent Graham a note back. He said that someone fixed it, but his computer messed up so that's how it got to that vandalized revision. I believe him. I really messed up myself and I'm not going to point fingers at anyone ever again. I'll just fix the damages. I shouldn't have played the blame game at all. I feel bad for doing so. I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions. Sorry, Graham. --WPA 20:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Not going to start bashing the real vandal.
Some early information
Maybe you already know, but there is an interesting article
here, dated 1998, where Kaplan talks about the risk of bringing the franchise to US. --
ReyBrujo21:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
the picture captions just state the obviouus. shouldn't they describe it improvements on the battle screen like colors and the experience bar in crystal?
Zombieminion12:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that there is mention of Christian and Jewish criticisms of the Pokemon, but nothing on Islam.
In 2001, Pokemon was banned from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia via an Islamic edict issued by the Kingdom's highest religious authority ,the Higher Committee for Scientific Research and Islamic Law.
One may suggest that this is not Islam as a whole and just Saudi Arabia, but is this any different than citing in the Pokemon article: "Some Christian groups in the United States". I don't think it is, and thus would like to suggest inclusion of the Islamic ruling in the Criticism/Religious section as well.
Ok. But the statement: "In 2001, Saudi Arabia banned Pokémon games and cards, alleging that the franchise promoted Zionism.[17]"
it really doesn't address the religious issue, but rather a political one, and it doesn't mention Islam at all. If it is in a religious section, then shouldn't it?
Sparty7923:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)Sparty79
I happened to notice that the Christian criticisms of Pokemon have been removed. I have restored them because I believe that Christian ministries should be
reliable sources. Also, regarding the Jynx controversy: Yes, a prominent African-American writer published an article in The Black World Today; the site referencing that actually copied the full article ad verbatim and analyzed it. Therefore, I believe that those "controversies" are verifiable. --
Andrewlp199123:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The controversy is not verifiable unless the controversy itself receives coverage in the media. The decrees of random people in the Church that they make on their own websites are self-published and are not reliable. A random accusation of racism that pops up in an op-ed somewhere does not constitute evidence of a real controversy. There needs to be secondary media coverage of the alleged controversy. --
Cheeser111:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't quite understand how you an un-notable ministry and what are pretty much blogs are reliable sources Andrewlp1991, please explain this.
SpigotMap11:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Well there's got to be a reason why the
Jynx design got changed; it was because of Weatherford's view. Plus, the Christian criticisms are pretty much everywhere on the Web. Go search (without quotes) "pokemon christian" on Google and you'll see. --
Andrewlp199115:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
They're only notable through
reliable sources. Self-published sources are not appropriate, and in this case, a primary source is not appropriate either. I can stir up a fuss all I want on my own time - that doesn't mean it's worth mentioning here. It has to have received outside attention elsewhere to be encyclopedic in any way. --
Cheeser115:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your information. I apologize sincerely if my edits were viewed as disruptive or POV-pushing. In the meantime, regarding sources from the "Kjos ministry", I found an old
CNN article with one of its leaders commenting on it.
[4] Anyone care to include it? --
Andrewlp199122:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
That LVWeekly article is satire, and the other one is not terribly reliable. We need an objective reliable source that documents a serious and legitimate animal-cruelty complaint against Pokémon. A secondary source, not just some random person whose opinion winds up on the web. --
Cheeser111:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Quality
I fixed some awkward wording in the quality section and made it more descriptive using wording from the sources when the article talked about "inferiorities."
Grayoracle (
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00:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Use of PokeBeach.com Info/Pics
I am the owner of PokeBeach.com, and over the past few months, I have been noticing more and more of my images on Wikipedia, without any proper sourcing or credit, and to my astonishment, without my permission. A few weeks ago, I even read someone's talk page, where they had posted several of my images and that they had received credit from me to do so, which was not the case, and which, of course, greatly angered me.
In particular, I am referring to my scans on several of the Pokemon pages, and the Ken Sugimori images I spent several weeks editing for transparency. When I posted the Ken Sugimori images on my website a while ago, I explicitly stated that they were not to be used by anyone without permission, since they had taken weeks to edit, only to see a few days later that many of them had already been ripped from my site and made the main images for the Pokemon articles (replacing my older Sugimori images that I edited, which also did not receive my permission to use). I don't appreciate it when I go to other Pokemon sites and read "If you want the D/P Ken Sugimori images, go to Wikipedia." The work I spent weeks on has become your content, and you are the ones receiving credit for it, not me. I see that you post a link to my site under the image, but you just say they are from "here," not "PokeBeach.com," which really is not fair. You guys credit every other Pokemon site for every little thing with full-blown URLs and names, yet ironically, when it comes to my site, I always seem to get the push.
The scans are what anger me the most. The scans were scanned in and edited by the person who owns those cards for my site, and are the main feature of my site. No one is allowed to use them anywhere - this has been made clear on my site for years. Someone took many scans off my site without permission, yet did not even have the courtesy to provide a link on the image page. Worst, they even put the full-blown scans up - what's the point in visiting my site if they are all here on Wikipedia?
On the TCG set page and other TCG pages, I am finding copy and pasting of my news stories on new sets, old sets, information, etc. Why does every other page on Wikipedia have those little links next to info, which jumps down to the bottom of the page, but when it comes to my site, this is not the case? I also don't like how everytime I post a story on a new set, Wikipedia has c/p the same info within days of me posting it, with no credit.
I am willing to make compromises, such as making the images smaller and posting actual links where a person can find the information/pictures, but otherwise, I do not appreciate how I was never approached, asked, or told about the content taken from my site, as well as how the stuff from my site on here is never given proper credit like other sites. I wouldn't be as mad if other sites were not credited, but honestly, I think many people do not credit my site because it's not "as big" as other ones, and they feel it is okay to do so because no one will find out. This may be harsh, and I do not like to be harsh, but just because you are Wikipedia does not mean you can take whatever you want from other sites who are trying to serve content to the same people without permission and as you see fit. It's considered stealing to many, and it morally is not the right thing to do.
I am well aware of what "Fair Use" is, having talked to PUSA about my scans in person. However, that still does not mean you can take someone else's work in preparing the images, without having done any work of your own other than c/p, and posting them from another website. If I were to take images from SPP and post them on PokeBeach, claiming it was "Fair Use," do you think Serebii would allow that? The Pokemon community does not take kindly to stealing, even if it is under the title of "Fair Use, so we can take/do with your images whatever we want." People work hard on their websites and getting these types of images up - how would you feel if you spent forever working on a set of images, only to find another website having posted them up without your permission, and sometimes, without any link back to your own (and that is mainly the case with the scans)? Heck, I see that Shaymin and Arceus' image pages have links back to SPP when the sprites are available anywhere and did not even originally originate from SPP, yet the scans that we scanned in, edited, watermarked, and told people not to take, don't even have a link back to my site? How fair is that?
If you want images on Wikipedia, prepare them yourself. You don't have the moral right to go to someone else's website and rip them off, only to post them on Wikipedia because they may be under "Fair Use." It's called being "lazy," and to many, "stealing."
I personally apologize for the wording used on the sourcing for the Ken Sugimori images, I updated them all a few moths ago and felt that "here" was good enough. If you'd like I can easily go through them all and change it to PokeBeach.com - I can even provide a link to wherever you wish in reference to you being the person who edited them for transparency. As for the TCG scans, most of them are highly inappropriate as they violate our guidlines for resolutions anyway, and I didn't source them myself because I was unsure where they were coming from (however rectifying this will be a little more difficult b/c some people decided to uncategorize a large number of them). Your anger is understandable, and I agree 110% that you need to be properly attributed. Just let me know the specifics and we can hopefully put this blunder behind us. -
ΖαππερΝαππερBabelAlexandria20:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm talking to WPM right now. The copyvio text is going to die, we need to get rid of the card scans that are taken from his site (which was something we needed to do anyway), and there are some conditions for the Sugimori art but they're pretty reasonable ones roughly in line with Wikipedia policy. Details forthcoming. -
A Man In Bl♟ck (
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21:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
You know, I have a question. Does PokeBeach's modifications really constitute enough originality to claim something? Not a thing was changed with the artwork, more like touchups like transparency and such.
hbdragon8806:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Why cant we all get along and be one iternet and not a bunch of websites? Plus, isn't Pokemon about friendship? —Preceding
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Troll alert
As the article currently stands, it's pretty messed up with childish "humor" - I am not sure how to revert or fix this but hopefully a moderator or other user will be able to.
Birgitsnet18:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Will there be no more Pokemon generations after this? I mean, it's been established how Pokemon were created, how the land and sea were made, and how emotions, knowledge, and willpower came to be. —Preceding
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14:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know why the slogan is no longer used by Nintendo? As long as anybody can back it up, that sure would be an interesting little tidbit.
SuperChencho18:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think a reason was actually given by Nintendo; all we know, and therefore all we can put down on the article, is that it was used at first but put out of use later.
Erik Jensen(
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So far, I haven't found an article, interview, statement or anything in which the reason of the disposing of the slogan is explained. Nevertheless, if you think about it, it makes sense. As most of you know, the Pokémon franchise received a huge amount of criticism, most of which concerned its commercialistic stance. Seen from that point of view, the slogan is indeed offensively transparent: "Gotta Catch'em All!" actually means "Gotta Buy'em All!" In the anime, the sentence is repeated over and over again, prompting kids to buy more and more cards and other merchandise. So, many saw the franchise's slogan as the mantra of it's commercialism. Not really an image to be proud of. -
Face18:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, in the video games when you get the National Pokedex, the only way to fill it up completly is to "catch'em all" so you can read the desrtiption and information of the Pokemon. —Preceding
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Bulbapedia?
Why does bulbapedia redirect here? shouldn't it get its own article if Wikipedia gets its own article? —The preceding
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68.112.254.106 (
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south park,arthur,king of the hill or even the simpson's has not ran for more than 500 episode's,the longest of those series is the simpson's and it's only ran for 400 episode's curently. —The preceding
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216.77.238.146 (
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I've also posted this on the talk page of the article, but I figured I should post it here as well to make sure that everybody hears me: I think the article Pokémon (video games) should be retitled to Pokémon video game series. That name sounds a bit more logical. The way it is titled now makes you think that the article is about a number of video games all titled Pokémon. If I hear no objections, I'll move this page soon. -
Face18:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
References 15-20 & 23 are completely inappropriate. They underlie a fairly large portion of the criticism section, mostly with self-published material. Some of it isn't even a third party source, but rather, self-published websites that advocate these points of view. Inclusion requires coverage by a third party source - we should not be referencing
some guy's ideas about how Pokemon are Satanic, just because we can find his ramblings online. The references do not meet
WP:RS, and much of the material in that section is left
unsubstantiated. I am not a regular editor of this article, so I will not venture to remove the sources just yet, but they need to be replaced because they are highly dubious and carry very little credibility. --
Cheeser115:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
For example, I would like to add a section "religious endorsements" because
here we see that several religious groups see this game and its creatures as the saviors of mankind. However, I just put this page up today, it is completely made-up, and it is in no way credible (ie just as credible as those other references). Unless there are reliable third-party sources to back these claims, the sources and the information they (don't) support must be removed. Maybe there are sources - if so, I hope someone finds them, but until then, we can't have this unsubstantiated criticism in Wikipedia - this is not a pulpit for criticism of Pokemon (which, by the way, I'm not even a fan of). If Joe Q Nutbag wants to slander Nintendo's little fuzzy-wuzzies, he'll have to get notable, reliable, third-party coverage of his criticisms befor we can include it in Wikipedia. --
Cheeser115:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, source 24 is not actually alleging that Pokemon promotes cockfighting - it's a joke. It's not journalistic coverage of any real criticism of Pokemon, nor is it an editorial or opinion piece to that effect. Reading between the lines is essential (we don't cite the
Daily Show, do we?). --
Cheeser115:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
No worries my friend. You are absolutely right and I've removed these sections. I found that every source in the section except the ones I left were not appropriate. Most all of the references were the ramblings of some un-notable person, one was even attacking non-christians. The references from Bulbagarden are completely inappropriate, as is the ones from blogs. Anyone else do not add these sections back unless you have RELIABLE sources. For information on this see
WP:VERIFY. Cheers!
SpigotMap16:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually there are
several essays and
severaldifferentpolicies that detail which references we can use and how to use them. If other editors are working diligently to fix this article, and happen to be more verbose or thorough than you'd like, I would still ask that you keep your unproductive jibes or side-comments to yourself. --
Cheeser118:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Categories
Though Pokémon spans the 1990s/2000s fad categories, is Pokémon still considered just a fad? FMF19:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Without slowing down? Are we sure about that? Also, a fad is something that comes and goes. Disco lasted what, a decade? And that was a fad. --
Cheeser122:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it exploded around 1999, when Nintendo was whoring the property to EVERYTHING. (Breakfast cereals and jellies, etc. etc.) Then it went into a slump, I think. Leading up to DP it got considerably more popular and right now it's pretty big, but it's still not as huge as back then, I don't think.—
Loveはドコ? (
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23:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think there is a definite answer to this. I'd consider things like Tomagotchis to be a fad. Things that came, everyone had for a year or two max, then disapeared from existance.
SpigotMap06:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
This article from the NY Times reports about the collapsing of the American Pokémon Trading Card market in January 2001. This marked the end of the Pokémon
fad in North-America. Pokémon is, as we all know, still a very successful game-based franchise, but that's not the same as a fad. -
Face16:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Seeing the Sucess the Pokemon Franchise has had as a whole, I still don't see Pokemon as a fad. In the late 1990's the fronts of Pokemon were very visilble, some even can still be seen today (i.e
Pokemon: The First Movie remains the Highest-grossing anine film in the United States with $85,744,662), but it is arguable to say that Pokemon hasn't lost any ground. Personally, i think it is safe to say it went into some sign of decline, but is gaining ground (i.e Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Sell 1 million copies in five days
[6]. Proof that things like this still sell and the films sill gross over ¥1.13 billion, should tell most that Pokemon is still going strong today
AmericanAtl17:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
The games are indeed still very successful. But the anime series and movies rose and fell. They're still popular, but they are not watched or sold any better than an average franchise anymore. The definition of a
fad according to Wikipedia is "a
fashion that becomes popular in a culture relatively quickly, but loses popularity dramatically". Pokémon fits in this description. -
Face15:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I think the implication there, though, is that its popularity dwindles to a very low level. Everything is more popular at some particular point in time; a fad is distinguished by almost all the popularity being lost. -
Amarkovmoo!23:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
You have a point, but you should see things in a relative way. As stated above, the definition says that a fad "loses popularity dramatically". The series/movies might still be averagely popular today, but compared to how incredible popular it was, it sure has decreased a lot. The Pokémon anime could thus be seen as a fad. The Pokémon TCG is certainly a fad. Only the Pokémon games can be seen as more than just a trend, as AmericanAtl already showed. -
Face09:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Too many templates
I think that it would be a good idea to merge all of the Pokémon-related templates such as species lists, regions and other related things into the one template to cover the whole franchise. I'll be constructing one in my sandbox, but I'd like to get some feedback before I put it in. Thanks, æt
ərnalðrAعon→09:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Just saw
your template, and I think it's great! Strange that nobody has thought of this before. I think the tv series, films and video games section are accurate, but the character section could use some tweaking. Take a look at the article
List of Pokémon characters. Also, I think the Handheld video games and Console video games should be on the top of the list (below creators), not as one of the last. Again, great template! I say we use it. -
Face10:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Um, that is a website I help my real-life friend with... No, it shouldn't be here obviously becuase it is just yet another fansite... Thanks,
Codelyoko193Talk00:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
This is the English Wikipedia, not the Japanese one. The Englis pronunciation is appropriate. I'm not familiar with IPA, but it's "poe - kay - mon" (poe as in Edgar Alan, kay as in the letter k, mon as in monitor). --
Cheeser101:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
"The English pronunciation is appropriate." I agree (otherwise I'd have changed it). I was wondering about it, though, because I'd only every heard /ˈpɒk.iˌmɒn/ (like pocky-mon with the pocky rhyming with rocky & the mon same as you've described it). As for the IPA transcription, yeah, it does match "poe - kay - mon" in certain dialects. /ˈpoʊ.keiˌmɒn/ would be a better transcription for this from a cross-dialect perspective. However, do we have any source for either pronunciation? Jɪmp03:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
A source... I don't think there'd be one. Unless Pokémon winds up in a (reputable) dictionary anytime soon, that is. However, in English, the proper pronunciation of é is almost invariably like the French (an "ay" sound). --
Cheeser103:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure we can talk of any "proper pronunciation of é" in Eglish. English spelling and English pronunciation do not have a one-to-one relationship, so it's not as if é has any special meaning. Wherever an é does occur, it's from some foreign language. This foreign language is generally French, and this is why "é is almost invariably like the French". However, we can't simply say é represents the
FACE vowel in general. It all depends on the particular word. This word is from Japanese (yeah, actually English, then Japanese, then back again) so we (i.e. we Wikipedia editors) should not assume the French pronunciation to be "proper". If, of course, the general public do so assume then we document that. Jɪmp04:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The thing we have to consider is J vs E: the accented e was supposedly due to people who may pronounce the middle syllable wrong (eg. using a
schwa or a [i]) - this may have been the trend from other words (or from Pokémon to other words) such as animé. However, from random sampling of anime episodes, the pronounciation of the second and third syllables wildly differ (even from the same voice actor). Most of the time, the vowel on the second syllable is made into a
diphthong, resulting in the Japanese [e] becoming [eI] (This is common for English in general, and not of English pronounciation of Japanese in particular), although this hasn't stopped some numbers of characters using [i] instead of [eI]. Differences in the third syllable are more minor in general, the main differences are in either using a low vowel (an a) or a medium back one (an o), which may be more of a regionalism than anything to do with pronounciation (compare - using original voice actors - Meowth or Butch, with clearly defined accents, to Ash or Brock, who do not). Still, what we can agree on is that, at the very least, the first syllable, which is different in Japanese (straight [o]) compared to English (another diphthong).
Still, this is small beans compared to how the names of individual Pokémon are pronounced:
Larvitar with the vowel in the second syllable (both a schwa and [ej] are used, the latter during the Larvitar arc in the anime, and the former in Pikachu's Pikaboo)
Bonsly ([bown.slaj] vs [bon.slaj] vs [bon.sli] vs...)
Gabite (stress on the first or second syllable - PBR uses the second, although it seems the first is more popular)
Illumise (does it have an extra [ej] on the end?)
Vespiquen (do we assume that the name is supposed to be ten letters long and has three es due to a technical limitation...?)
Chimecho ([chai.me.kow] vs [chi.mi.kow] vs ..., different pronunciations are used in the PokéRap and when James refers to his Pokémon)
Houndour ([hown.daur] vs [hown.dowr] vs ..., different pronunciations used by the narrator and Cassidy)
Gardevoir ([gar.de.vor] vs [gar.de.voir] vs ..., due to it's French-sounding name)
Rayquaza ([rei.kuei.za] vs. [rei.kua.za], the former is used in Destiny Deoxys, the latter is more popular in the fan community)
Chatot, Gliscor, Arceus, Mesprit, Giratina, and Buneary can easily be pronounced wrong, but I haven't seen the eps where they are introduced to measure the plausible pronunciations.
Ummmm... I'm probably a retard for asking but... did Pokemon originate as a game or manga? I always thought it was a huge manga and went from there ,but Nintendo owns Pokemon. It also implies more than states this info so that's why I'm asking.
[[User:SxeFluff--
SxeFluff02:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)]] 21:51, 7 October 2007
Like a manga,novel or novel,novel? Because I doubt a book like 'how to kill a mockingbird' would start such a franchise. Manga, if good and recieved well, turn into anime easily. DBZ started this way and it's a fav for many fans.
[[User:SxeFluff--
SxeFluff19:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)]] 14:19, 8 October 2007
Pokemon was a game first, then I think a TV show, and finally a manga. Last 2 may be out of order, but it was definately a game first.
69.182.79.19409:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it all began with the Aka/Midori (Red/Blue) games. When those became a surpise success, Nintendo agreed with their friend
Shogakukan to create a manga based on the game to be putted in the
KoroKoro. This is actually normal procedure in Japan, and KoroKoro frequently has mangas based around popular Nintendo games (Mario, Donkey Kong, Kirby etc). When the manga became popular as well, they made the anime. So, in Japan, it's games -> manga -> anime. In the US, they introduced Pokémon through the anime, then a few weeks later they released the games. The comics took a while because manga isn't very popular in America. -
Face11:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
of course many people know the lead character as Ash, but considering it is Japanese anime, and his name is different in the original version, the Japanese name should also be mentioned. I think to mention both names would be the idea solution.
Sennen goroshi22:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I just fixed a MAJOR vandalism thing on here, on the history it showed Zeldaninja had replaced the ENTIRE article with three links, my friends have gotten me to go to it, and i know that there is no reason in having that in talk or on Wikipedia. Lightning Rodd 16:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)Lightningrodd
Thank you for your help Lightningrodd, and welcome to Wikipedia. Btw, who were those friend you mentioned who told you to go to this page? -
Face18:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
If there is no reason for having that in talk, then there must be an alternate reason why you brought it to talk. Anyways, yaay for another Wikipedia hero announcing his reverts to vandalism. *Applauds*
Neal (
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16:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC).
Hi! I'm more or less an expert of Pokemon and when there's a new generation, more new Pokemon. Yet on Wikipedia there are some things i'm confused on. Now, what's with the new "Regi" Pokemon? We don't know anything about them. Plus everything with Eternatus and on is unclear and doesn't appear even in Bulbapedia so how is that canon? Thanks.
UB Blacephalon (
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16:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia is more focused on general information about the franchise as a whole. Most of the nitty-gritty stuff is usually left out because the article would be too long and would have to explain more than 20 years of lore and game content. You mentioned Bulbapedia in your inquiry. Bulbapedia is more of a place to answer these sorts of questions. Their articles are more focused on individual elements of each game. I recommend checking them out for future inquiries.
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this is actually old and your not mensening pokemon sword and shield anime and the main pokemon and all legendaires I think that you should update it also the number of pokemon with glitched pokemon and i mean like jesus talk about gliches and the custom made roms that is what makes pokemon quite famous
Unaimed God (
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21:03, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
The phrase "The characters have become..." should be changed to "The various species of Pokémon have become..." and should link to List of Pokémon rather than List of Pokémon Characters.
This phrase is referring to the prominence of merchandise featuring certain species of Pokémon (Pikachu, Eevee, etc.) not characters (Gym Leaders, Trainers, other individuals). "Pokémon character" is an incorrect way of referring to a species of Pokémon; it is actually a term for human characters (i.e. Professor Elm) and individual Pokémon who play roles in a story (Ash's Pikachu, Maylene's Lucario) in the Pokémon franchise.
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Hello readers of this article! We are glad to see that you are willing to take part in this disscusion. Editors, you may have noticed that there are [clarification needed] objects in the article, I would like to help out and start a discussion! I would like to know how we can clear things up for our readers.
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A challenge called the Nuzlocke Challenge allows players to only capture the first Pokémon encountered in each area, if said encounter is a repeat of a Pokémon that was previously caught, the player will be allowed to reroll the encounter, If they do not succeed in capturing that Pokémon, there are no second chances. When a Pokémon faints, it is considered "dead" and must be released or stored in the PC permanently.
174.197.208.180 (
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18:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Ok, this one should be easy to correct but the claim that " Pokemon is the highest-grossing media franchise" needs to be changed to "Pokemon is one of the highest-grossing media franchises" because the Page List of the highest-grossing media franchises is missing data(companies don't really release all the information). There is no way to know which is the highest-grossing media franchise/highest-grossing brand. It's misleading otherwise.
Timur9008 (
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03:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
I propose we split the info from the top to the history section( if created) similar to the
Winnie the Pooh article which has a history section. (plus we can use the 2 Refideas to expand that section) Would love to hear what others think.
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