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Added birthdate.
I've added her birthdate to this article because on her Genius profile [1], it says she was born on 18 April 2001.
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Victoria Walker (born April 18th, 2001), popularly known as PinkPantheress, is an English singer, songwriter, and record producer. Her identity is mostly mysterious and anonymous, much like her music which stands as a blend of House, Disco, Neo-Soul, Lo-Fi, UK Garage, and Pop. Her name derives from the iconic American fictional animated character The Pink Panther. She signed to Parlophone in 2021.
Angelicmonterohannaho123 (
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14:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Numerous sources cite her name and date of birth as Gemma Victoria Walker[1][2][3][4] and 18/04/2001, but there are users who seem keen for this not to be published. Suggesting page protection to prevent continued edit war back-and-forth.
CPMartin (
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12:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Update: Some news sources that previously listed her name have been quietly removing it, presumably on request from either her or her PR team to try to maintain the air of mystery. There are archive versions of many of the original articles that include her full name[5][6][7] (some were not archived before they removed it, and some still retain it[4]). This suggests that there is a strong (albeit ultimately futile) attempt to keep her name a secret. As such, perhaps it's indeed best that this article doesn't directly list her name just yet. I would suggest that this issue should be revisited at some point.
CPMartin (
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13:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)reply
As a further update, it seems there is another, perhaps more plausible contender for the name that has been reported: Victoria Beverley Walker. This name has had a similar fate on news websites, including the BBC[8], being mysteriously disappeared from the original version of the article. This name is listed in other sources too.[9][10] Interestingly, the German version of Wikipedia (at the time of writing) also lists this name[11], but it doesn't give a source for it. It seems that waiting for clarity is probably a good idea.
CPMartin (
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16:28, 7 January 2022 (UTC)reply
As predicted, it didn't take long for this to start coming out elsewhere, albeit only in the very unreliable source The Daily Mail[12]. They also appear to spell her middle name wrongly (a missing 'e', according to a birth record in the right area at the right time) and provide the abbreviated form of her first name. In general, the Mail writes a pile of trash, but the overall gist of this article seems broadly plausible. However, her name has still not been published in the media more widely, so I concur with previous editors that despite her name now being essentially an open secret, holding off putting it in the article is still the right thing to do.
CPMartin (
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11:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)reply
@
CPMartin: I know it's quite lengthy but I advise you at least skim through
Talk:Mxmtoon#Include real name or not. I used to always take the same approach as you in the name of providing basic biographical information in an encyclopaedic article, uncensored by the subject as per
WP:OWN. But I realized that us editors fighting against PR teams is a pointless battle. The sources you listed clearly disclosed the artist's name without permission and are also rather primary; thus are invalid as per
WP:BLPNAME and
WP:BLPPRIVACY. The more reliable secondary sources vanished the name for a reason and the use of archives might be disputed in this case.
—cybertrip👽 (
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13:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for that – I just took a look over it. As you suggest, arguing with a PR team (or indeed someone claiming to be/know the subject of an article) does look like an uphill battle (although semiprotection helps). She also appears to want to keep her name a pseudo-secret, for whatever reason, and I agree that the listed sources are not yet of high enough quality to include. If she turns out to be more than a flash in the pan, then I suspect it will be quite hard for her to keep a lid on the name thing, though. But as I said, I agree that this article should hold off directly naming her for now.
CPMartin (
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18:15, 13 January 2022 (UTC)reply
"statistic professor" - I only see "academic in the cited source, not the field of study. The Face source can be used for this.
"She has one older brother, who works as an audio engineer." - not verified by cited source. The Face source can be used for this.
"When she was five years old" - not verified by cited source. The Face source can be used for this.
Was hesitant to put The Face source at the end of each of these per
WP:REPCITE. Obviously not a policy, but it still seems redundant to keep repeating the same citation as opposed to just leaving it at the end of the final sentence that supports all of those things.
benǝʇᴉɯ14:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)reply
There is an argument that the current version passes
WP:BLPSOURCES as the info isn't likely to be challenged, but I think it's preferable to have the citations directly adjacent to the material. If this section is expanded in future, the links between The Face citation and the supported material might become more distant. To avoid it looking too ugly on the page, you could use
WP:CITEBUNDLE.
BennyOnTheLoose (
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15:57, 1 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Career
Second paragraph has two sentences starting withe "Her" followed by two sentences starting with "She". I suggest copyediting this.
"topline writing" - I didn't know what this meant; maybe add an explanation in text or in a footnote to explain it?
Normally I would just wikilink "topline writing", but it has no article on here. I can include a footnote, since I also was unaware of what topline writing was prior to seeing her discuss it.benǝʇᴉɯ14:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)reply
""a form of D'n'B that's acceptable to listen to at home" - add the source directly after this quote; also make it clear which source(s) the shorter quotes come from.
Seem appropriate, and no issues found with verification except as mentioned above. There are a couple of places where references can be ordered numerically, e.g. "[9][7]", "[40][1][46]"
The link to the official site gives me a dodgy pop-up about winning phones. Is this still the right url?
I think the dodgy pop-up is there on purpose as a joke. If I had to guess, it's a part of the early 2000s gimmick. Also, if you noticed, clicking "OK" doesn't actually do anything, and it says "before we give it away to someone else more grateful."
benǝʇᴉɯ14:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)reply
There are some duplicated links, i.e. UK Singles Chart, Paramore, Green Day, dance/dance music. I think all of these can be delinked after the first instance in the body, per
MOS:DUPLINK.
Thanks for your work on the article,
Benmite. I've read the discussion on the talk page (and the subject's views on privacy in sources), and I am satisfied that the absence of further personal details in the article is appropriate per
WP:BLPPRIVACY. I amended year of birth in the article per The Guardian source, which hopefully you're happy with, given that it had been changed after your earlier edits. I think the article only needs tweaks to meet GA standards, but I'll have another look after reviewing your responses. Regards,
BennyOnTheLoose (
talk)
11:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I was adding the writing credits for Skrillex's Don't Get Too Close, where PinkPantheres features on the track "Way Back". That song's
writing credits on Tidal include Victoria Walker, which would indicate to me that her real name isn't as much of a secret anymore.
I don't want to add the name if it goes against consensus, but this felt like a good reason to bring the subject back up and see how we feel about re-adding the name in the article.
Sock(tock talk)19:44, 20 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Done Removed the malicious links. Please ping me if someone reverts that. I checked the history, and no comments were made when it was added.
Actualcpscm (
talk)
16:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I just reverted an edit that added an alleged real name to the article. I saw that there was discussion regarding this issue a year ago, with the result that there was insufficient reporting from reliable sources. As per
WP:BLP, including a real name requires multiple reliable sources. The source that was given here was not unambiguously clear on this matter and arguably a primary source; this does not meet the threshold for inclusion of the name. Please ping me with any changes to this.
Actualcpscm (
talk)
14:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The article lists her birth date as 18 April 2001 but uses this tweet[3] from her on 19 April 2023 as a source. Are there any reliable sources on this? If not, it should be removed from the article.
मल्ल (
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16:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)reply